How will the new Saltsburg Police enf...

How will the new Saltsburg Police enforce laws?

Created by TrojanHorse on Oct 11, 2007

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Alan

Vandergrift, PA

#1 Oct 21, 2007
Pretty sad when 2/3 of the respondents don't think the police will do a fair job. Says a lot, or little, for the integrity of the council, the people who oversaw the hiring, and the people who supervise the police. Then again, when you have people of questionable ethics and morals running things, what else should you expect.
Mr Saltsburg

United States

#2 Oct 23, 2007
What troubles me is not so much the voting, its the ole "here we go again" routine with council. They hire this guy who is or was an IUP police officer to work "part-time" in our community for less than $9 an hour and only work him up to 38 hrs a week so no one has to provide him with health benefits.

I cannot believe this man would leave IUP's campus environment and its challenges to work for chump change and no benefits all to be titled "chief" of the so called police force that he will develop with a bunch of other part timers.

I hate to say it, but you get what you pay for in most businesses and I have seen our town go through this before many times. Saltsburg doesn't have the funds for a quality police force. This guy can't raise a family or even himself on that wage and probably won't last more than a year. So

I question his motives of leaving a larger environment (probably better wages) to a small minded mom & pop town for little pay. His so called new hires may stick around a few months until a better offer surfaces and I question the background of anyone accepting the wage they will be offered to hang around much longer than that.

So here we go again. At least maybe this Chief won't burn the town down.
Jack

Vandergrift, PA

#3 Oct 25, 2007
Mr Saltsburg wrote:
... Saltsburg doesn't have the funds for a quality police force...
It really all depends where your priorities are, and as far as council goes, police protection is not one.

If they stopped paying the business insurance for Tammy Kravetsky, they'd saved over $3,000 a year. Then there is the $6,000 they're paying Frank Stanley to "supervise and administer" this one man dept. Then there is the $14,000 or so a year for the fire dept, a dept where less than 5% of their calls are actually in the borough. I mention this because the law allows the borough to recover as much as 75% of the expense from the neighboring communities and they won't. So Saltsburg tax payers are footing the bill for Conemaugh and Loyalhanna. And why does such a small boro with only 4 employees, an automated payroll system, an automated sewage system and who has a CPA do their books need 64 hours a week of secretaries, 24 hours of which are over $8 an hour. Though in the numerous repair to borough equipment because the borough crew neglects maintenance (notice the salt spreader has been on the truck all summer filling with dirt, stone, asphalt patch and who knows what else). Add all this up, you could put another $26,000 towards the police dept. Oh, but wait, if they did that, then they couldn't line their pockets. Silly me, what was I thinking.
Jimmy Franks

Kittanning, PA

#4 Oct 25, 2007
Mr Saltsburg wrote:
What troubles me is not so much the voting, its the ole "here we go again" routine with council. They hire this guy who is or was an IUP police officer to work "part-time" in our community for less than $9 an hour and only work him up to 38 hrs a week so no one has to provide him with health benefits.
I cannot believe this man would leave IUP's campus environment and its challenges to work for chump change and no benefits all to be titled "chief" of the so called police force that he will develop with a bunch of other part timers.
I hate to say it, but you get what you pay for in most businesses and I have seen our town go through this before many times. Saltsburg doesn't have the funds for a quality police force. This guy can't raise a family or even himself on that wage and probably won't last more than a year. So
I question his motives of leaving a larger environment (probably better wages) to a small minded mom & pop town for little pay. His so called new hires may stick around a few months until a better offer surfaces and I question the background of anyone accepting the wage they will be offered to hang around much longer than that.
So here we go again. At least maybe this Chief won't burn the town down.
I wouldn't worry much if I was you. I doubt you'll be affected by anything that happens in Saltsburg down there where you are in Orlando. Unless of course, a giant asteroid impact occurs in Saltsburg. Maybe then you'd need to worry...as would the rest of the earth's population.
Mr Saltsburg

United States

#5 Oct 26, 2007
Jimmy Franks wrote:
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I wouldn't worry much if I was you. I doubt you'll be affected by anything that happens in Saltsburg down there where you are in Orlando. Unless of course, a giant asteroid impact occurs in Saltsburg. Maybe then you'd need to worry...as would the rest of the earth's population.
Ha.....You really need to update yourself on current technology. I happen to live in Saltsburg and work in Pittsburgh. Our office internet servers are through Orlando.
Mr Saltsburg

United States

#6 Oct 26, 2007
Jack wrote:
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It really all depends where your priorities are, and as far as council goes, police protection is not one.
If they stopped paying the business insurance for Tammy Kravetsky, they'd saved over $3,000 a year. Then there is the $6,000 they're paying Frank Stanley to "supervise and administer" this one man dept. Then there is the $14,000 or so a year for the fire dept, a dept where less than 5% of their calls are actually in the borough. I mention this because the law allows the borough to recover as much as 75% of the expense from the neighboring communities and they won't.
Even though I agree with you on limitations on paying certain business fees, when you say Kravesky's business I assume you mean Life Stat. Ambulance, Police and Fire service are not just the boro's responsibility, I agree that tapping into neighbooring communities for additional funds from these types of services would be the way to go since they benefit from our town as well.
Jack wrote:
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So Saltsburg tax payers are footing the bill for Conemaugh and Loyalhanna. And why does such a small boro with only 4 employees, an automated payroll system, an automated sewage system and who has a CPA do their books need 64 hours a week of secretaries, 24 hours of which are over $8 an hour.
So do an audit on why the excessive overtime. But when you look at the numbers, it sounds like the secretaries are earning around 6$ an hr. In this day and age, that is pathetic. Kids working at McD's earn 7 and up.
Jack wrote:
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Though in the numerous repair to borough equipment because the borough crew neglects maintenance (notice the salt spreader has been on the truck all summer filling with dirt, stone, asphalt patch and who knows what else). Add all this up, you could put another $26,000 towards the police dept. Oh, but wait, if they did that, then they couldn't line their pockets. Silly me, what was I thinking.
Better yet, forget the "police dept" and the one man consultant fee until a later time. 26K for a police dept is better than nothing but not much better. To me, the council should be further investigating the laws about getting additional funds from neighbooring communities for using our services before they commit to starting a police force. Get the funds, then develop the program.
Jack

Vandergrift, PA

#7 Oct 26, 2007
Mr Saltsburg wrote:
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So do an audit on why the excessive overtime. But when you look at the numbers, it sounds like the secretaries are earning around 6$ an hr. In this day and age, that is pathetic. Kids working at McD's earn 7 and up.
The full-time secretary makes about $10 an hour plus receives full family health coverage (about $12,000 a year) plus pension. The part-time secretary gets over $8 an hour or about $10,000 a year. Since payroll and sewage are automated, plus the fact there are only five boro employees, throw in the fact they job out the book keeping to a CPA rather than the 'secretary/treasurer' doing it, why do they need so much secretarial time. And yes I am referring to Life Stat, but the solicitor already researched it and the boro is not obligated to pay their insurance, but they do anyway. "Coincidentally," the same year the boro starting paying Life Stat's insurance, Tammy Kravetsky took a $2,400 raise at Life Stat to amke her pay as 'secretary/treasurer'$67,400 a year, so who benefited from that, not the tax payers.
Jimmy Franks

Kittanning, PA

#8 Oct 26, 2007
Mr Saltsburg wrote:
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Ha.....You really need to update yourself on current technology. I happen to live in Saltsburg and work in Pittsburgh. Our office internet servers are through Orlando.
Sorry. I'm Amish, so it's not like I have a subscription to Popular Mechanics. If my family found out I was using the computer here at the library, they'd cut off my hands, tar and feather me, and ban me from the clan.

At any rate, I just thought I'd chime in on who I think should be completely in charge of Saltsburg:

Derek Stitt! Oh, how I long for the glory days of Officer Stitt's reign over that town! I really miss his gestapo approach to law enforcement. He was a true professional indeed.

Jimmy Franks

Kittanning, PA

#9 Oct 26, 2007
Jack wrote:
Tammy Kravetsky took a $2,400 raise at Life Stat to amke her pay as 'secretary/treasurer'$67,400 a year, so who benefited from that, not the tax payers.
A little birdie told me that extra money Tammy's making is being given to her just to piss people like you off.

And by the looks of it, it's working.

john

AOL

#10 Oct 26, 2007
Dont you know that wagner's and kravetsky's run the town. You can go back as far as you want, from ron wagner running the fire dept to todd wagner doing what he wanted. Until saltsburg cleans up it's act,it's just dirty little saltsburg
Jack

Vandergrift, PA

#11 Oct 26, 2007
Jimmy Franks wrote:
A little birdie told me that extra money Tammy's making is being given to her just to piss people like you off.
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It should piss off everyone. Here are people who declare bankruptcy on such a regular basis you can set your watch by it, they stick neighbors like The Lumber Store for over $44,000, then take the money and spend it at Mountaineer gambling. Heck, her pay for what she doesn't do at Life Stat exceeds what the police budget use to be. It's almost November - I'm sure they will be declaring bankruptcy soon on another company they started.

[QUOTE who="john"]Dont you know that wagner's and kravetsky's run the town. You can go back as far as you want, from ron wagner running the fire dept to todd wagner doing what he wanted. Until saltsburg cleans up it's act,it's just dirty little saltsburg
And they were trying to get their new son-in-law/grandson-in-law on council too, but he got divorced only a few months after the wedding, not that it matters. Birds of a feather and all that.
Mr Saltsburg

United States

#12 Oct 26, 2007
Jimmy Franks wrote:
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Sorry. I'm Amish, so it's not like I have a subscription to Popular Mechanics. If my family found out I was using the computer here at the library, they'd cut off my hands, tar and feather me, and ban me from the clan.
You mean to tell me that you guys in Clarksburg finally have electricity--wow!!! Actually I do connect to your Gestapo reference.
Mr Saltsburg

United States

#13 Oct 26, 2007
Jack wrote:
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The full-time secretary makes about $10 an hour plus receives full family health coverage (about $12,000 a year) plus pension. The part-time secretary gets over $8 an hour or about $10,000 a year. Since payroll and sewage are automated, plus the fact there are only five boro employees, throw in the fact they job out the book keeping to a CPA rather than the 'secretary/treasurer' doing it, why do they need so much secretarial time. And yes I am referring to Life Stat, but the solicitor already researched it and the boro is not obligated to pay their insurance, but they do anyway. "Coincidentally," the same year the boro starting paying Life Stat's insurance, Tammy Kravetsky took a $2,400 raise at Life Stat to amke her pay as 'secretary/treasurer'$67,400 a year, so who benefited from that, not the tax payers.
You sure have alot $$ information, is this stuff accessible on the net?...and really, working at a place that give health benefits, what is this country coming too....I cannot comment on Life Stat's nepotism policy.

well, good thing council is sticking to their ole "guns" on law and order by hiring partimers (carrying guns with bullets) earning less than the secretaries. I am sure we will feel much safer...
Jack

Vandergrift, PA

#14 Oct 26, 2007
Mr Saltsburg wrote:
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You sure have alot $$ information, is this stuff accessible on the net?...
It use to be available on the net. Now you have go to a council meeting and read the minutes and budget. Even then, you sometimes have to look hard as some things are, dare I say
"hidden" in the budget.
john

AOL

#15 Oct 26, 2007
that's o.k. just give them enough rope. they just have to piss off the wrong person at the wrong time. politicans have a way of biting each other in the ass
john

AOL

#16 Oct 28, 2007
has city council ever heard of grant money for it's police? the only thing they have to account for every penny. that might be fun to watch
Jimmy Franks

Kittanning, PA

#17 Oct 28, 2007
I'm actually GLAD to see a few people arguing about Saltsburg. It means the town is actually alive and vibrant. Over the past 10 years, Saltsburg has really come together nicely. When I grew up there it was a hell hole. Now I'd consider moving there again...Uh, maybe not. But still it's really made a turn-around in the past decade or so.
Jack

Vandergrift, PA

#18 Oct 28, 2007
Jimmy Franks wrote:
I'm actually GLAD to see a few people arguing about Saltsburg. It means the town is actually alive and vibrant. Over the past 10 years, Saltsburg has really come together nicely. When I grew up there it was a hell hole. Now I'd consider moving there again...Uh, maybe not. But still it's really made a turn-around in the past decade or so.
You're joking aren't you? The only turnaround they've made is stepping further back into the dark ages.
john

AOL

#19 Oct 28, 2007
got to agree with jack. saltsburg has not changed in over 20 years, every thing needs to change with the times or die. i would really like to see a change for the better god knows we've seen it's worst. got to start with a good city council. you have got to have good leadership, maybe one day
but until then
Jimmy Franks

Kittanning, PA

#20 Oct 28, 2007
Aesthetically, there's no debating the fact that Saltsburg has changed for the better. Also, for such a small town it has a relatively well-functioning infrastructure. It's streets are well-maintained, which is more than I can say for 99% of the other small towns in this area.

The majority of the town's residents keep up with their property and have at least some resemblance of taste and class. Let's face it..that's a rarity in Western Pennsylvania.

Since I was a child, much has changed in that town for the better. Little things, but they add up to make a big difference. Like the river & trail thing. Those trestle bridges were dangerous and dilapidated when I was growing up. Now they're somewhat restored and people can walk on them.

Also, notice how every couple of years they re-paint the jersey barricades on the bridge leading into town, to cover up the graffiti? Let's see a town like Derry, Apollo or Avonmore take the same initiative for a similar situation. Yeah right. Don't hold your breath.

Those of you who say that Saltsburg is in the "dark ages" are missing the point. Sure, the little improvements I mentioned here aren't much, but when you compare Saltsburg to most of the small towns in this area, Saltsburg's come a long way. It could be a complete shit hole like Derry..Where the streets haven't been re-paved in 50 years, the whole town is pounding smack and the cops do nothing about it, and people let their property go to shit.

Sure, Saltsburg is a little hick town in the dark ages compared to some cool little village in Colorado or northern California. But by western PA standards, it's not half bad.

This is coming from someone who used to HATE Saltsburg with a vehement passion. So that's saying a lot. In my eyes at least, Saltsburg has transformed itself so much in the past decade that I almost consider it a miracle.

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