LDS Missionary Accused Of Child Sexua...

LDS Missionary Accused Of Child Sexual Assault

There are 194 comments on the Kutv.com story from Feb 27, 2007, titled LDS Missionary Accused Of Child Sexual Assault. In it, Kutv.com reports that:

SALT LAKE CITY An LDS missionary is behind bars for allegedly sexually assaulting a 12-year-old boy and according to investigators this missionary had recently baptized the boy.

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Since: Mar 07

Fayetteville, NC

#194 Oct 28, 2007
Jim Huston wrote:
If you want to know the density of offenders in your area go to http://www.familywatchdog.us/
Look up Salt Lake City and Provo Utah. I live in an eastern city and the density of registered offenders is much higher in "Happy Valley" than it is where I live. Kind of tells you something doesn't it?
Or maybe it just tells you that in "Happy Valley" they have an excellent system of record keeping and keeping track of sex offenders. How often do we hear of so many people slipping through the cracks and not even being registered in their state. I wouldnt trust my kids to those records thats for sure.
Climb Maintain 8000

Taylorsville, UT

#195 Oct 28, 2007
Hey everyone! Look who's back! YEAH!!!!!

We have ALL missed you Aconstas1. Even Lassie and Flipper!

Hip Hip Hurray! Hip Hip Hooray!

Aconstas1 for President.

Rodney for Vice.

Larry for BRAC.

Since: Mar 07

Fayetteville, NC

#196 Oct 28, 2007
Climb Maintain 8000 wrote:
Hey everyone! Look who's back! YEAH!!!!!
We have ALL missed you Aconstas1. Even Lassie and Flipper!
Hip Hip Hurray! Hip Hip Hooray!
Aconstas1 for President.
Rodney for Vice.
Larry for BRAC.
LOL now thats funny
Silent but deadly

Taylorsville, UT

#198 Nov 6, 2007
You know, it has been so log since I have been to sacrament. Do they still get up on the stand and start the prayer by saying,

Our Dear, Kind, Eternal Heaven Father, we thank you for all of the wonderful blessings you have given us, blah, blah, blah....

God, and I cannot see how you guys get through fast and testimony. Cripes. With all the BS talk about how he or she has been "moved" by the Spirit. I'd puke if I heard that crap again.
Tex

Spring, TX

#199 Jul 5, 2008
newton wrote:
In Latin America you would be AMAZED at how badly the mormon missionaries here abuse young girls. The church covers it up, and not only that condemns the latin members for being "temptations" to the their holy missionaries.
Forcing a 13 year old girl to give oral sex, and sexually molesting her as a 23 year old missionary, then having the church cover it up without any report of this act on the missionary´s record is an abomination. This missionary should be in jail.
Instead the young girl and her mother were blamed and chastised because the girl was wearing "inappropriate clothes" and her clothing choices were "tempting the missionaries"
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
Thats coruption in the church not just a few bad apples.
I think a married pastor and married couples typically go on the mission trips I have heard about in some of the churches here. If there are any single males, their behavior would be monitored by the older, wiser, married couples.

I've never heard of anything like this happening on their mission trips. They also take pictures the whole time. The object of the exercise is to build houses, renovate churches, build playgrounds,
install hot water heaters, and so on. There is no time for the things you described the Mormon missionaries doing.
Tex

Spring, TX

#200 Jul 13, 2008
Until the FLDS thing, I would have never seen all of this.
Very eye-opening.
LDSaint

Rexburg, ID

#201 Jan 5, 2013
I have been a Mormon my entire life, but you seem to be the expert here, so you should know that Joseph Smith had the education equal to that of a third grader. Then, you must also know, that there is no way a third grader would have been able to write the Book Of Mormon. The Book Of Mormon has been reviewed by many, many different scholars -- experts of reading, writing, and language-- And they have deduced from the various writing styles from book-to-book, that there was, in fact, more than one author.
One prime evidence that this book was not written by man alone, is the Allegory of the Olive Tree in Jacob, chapter 5. At the time that the Book of Mormon was translated, there was only one book in the world that dealt with growing olives, and that book happened to be overseas. Tell me then, how a boy with a 3rd grade education managed to accurately describe how to grow, and care for olive trees? Especially since olive trees weren't to be found in New York? One scholar who studied the book of Mormon, said that the complexity of it led him to believe that, "It is either of God, or of the Devil. And since it encourages us to follow God, it cannot be of the Devil."
Our church teaches us to abide by the doctrines of Jesus Christ. We believe in, and keep the 10 commandments. We research both the Old, and the New testaments. We do what we can to lift and serve the people around us.
If our church is not true, i can't fathom why hundreds of early saints would have endured such persecution, been cast out of their settlements, and eventually sold almost all of their possessions in order to walk thousands of miles from the east coast to Utah. As you are probably aware, many of the saints involved in the Martin and Willy handcart companies starved and froze to death in an effort to make it to the Salt Lake Valley.
I do not appreciate you slamming my church with the few twisted facts that you have. The verses you have about dark skin were written about the curse that befell the Lamanites after they plotted to kill their brother and his family. The dark skin was instituted as a way for Nephites to differentiate between themselves, and the Lamanites. And, as you will remember, the same curse was issued upon Cain after he slew his brother Abel in the New Testament. Which means, according to your logic, that all Christians are racist.
I have many friends from all sorts of nationalities. Mormons are taught to "Love your neighbor as yourself." We are not racist: we accept all people, no matter what they look like, or where they're from.
I apologize for my bluntness. If you have any more conceptions about what my church believes, or what we stand for, I invite you to visit this link. http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/10...
I know that i cannot convince you of anything, but i would hope that my efforts will have cleared up some misconceptions, and benefited my religion in some way.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#202 Jan 5, 2013
LDSaint wrote:
I have been a Mormon my entire life, but you seem to be the expert here, so you should know that Joseph Smith had the education equal to that of a third grader.
I was always told he had the education of a 5th grader.
Then, you must also know, that there is no way a third grader would have been able to write the Book Of Mormon.
Church historian, B.H. Roberts, disagrees, and wrote a paper on that very subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_of_the_B...
The Book Of Mormon has been reviewed by many, many different scholars -- experts of reading, writing, and language-- And they have deduced from the various writing styles from book-to-book, that there was, in fact, more than one author.
Writing styles are not like fingerprints. A person can use many different styles. The fact he quotes major parts of the Bible in the Book of Mormon also explains why there are different styles.
One prime evidence that this book was not written by man alone, is the Allegory of the Olive Tree in Jacob, chapter 5. At the time that the Book of Mormon was translated, there was only one book in the world that dealt with growing olives, and that book happened to be overseas. Tell me then, how a boy with a 3rd grade education managed to accurately describe how to grow, and care for olive trees? Especially since olive trees weren't to be found in New York? One scholar who studied the book of Mormon, said that the complexity of it led him to believe that, "It is either of God, or of the Devil. And since it encourages us to follow God, it cannot be of the Devil."
The only problem being that the inspiration for Jacob 5 can clearly be found in Romans 11.
Our church teaches us to abide by the doctrines of Jesus Christ. We believe in, and keep the 10 commandments. We research both the Old, and the New testaments. We do what we can to lift and serve the people around us.
And you deny what is clearly written about the grace of Jesus Christ, denying for a salvation based upon your own righteousness and not that of Christ. You only use the Bible where you think it supports your beliefs and deny the clear teachings of the other parts.
If our church is not true, i can't fathom why hundreds of early saints would have endured such persecution, been cast out of their settlements, and eventually sold almost all of their possessions in order to walk thousands of miles from the east coast to Utah. As you are probably aware, many of the saints involved in the Martin and Willy handcart companies starved and froze to death in an effort to make it to the Salt Lake Valley.
That is only proof of deception, not truth. By your logic, Jim Jones would be a prophet because I can't fathom why hundreds of people would willingly poison themselves at his command. There is and old saying: "You can fool some of the people, all of the time..." That is all your example demonstrates. And there have been people all through history who has made even greater sacrifices then your Saints have made.

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#203 Jan 5, 2013
I do not appreciate you slamming my church with the few twisted facts that you have. The verses you have about dark skin were written about the curse that befell the Lamanites after they plotted to kill their brother and his family. The dark skin was instituted as a way for Nephites to differentiate between themselves, and the Lamanites. And, as you will remember, the same curse was issued upon Cain after he slew his brother Abel in the New Testament. Which means, according to your logic, that all Christians are racist.
No where in the Bible does it say that Cain was cursed with "dark skin" It said he received a "mark". A mark is like a birth mark, it doesn't have to cover the whole body. Or it could have been like a tattoo. Dark skin is not a curse.
I have many friends from all sorts of nationalities. Mormons are taught to "Love your neighbor as yourself." We are not racist: we accept all people, no matter what they look like, or where they're from.
But you did deny black people the right to hold the priesthood until 1978, that is racist. And you still believe in the teachings that created the racism.
I apologize for my bluntness. If you have any more conceptions about what my church believes, or what we stand for, I invite you to visit this link. http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/10...
I know that i cannot convince you of anything, but i would hope that my efforts will have cleared up some misconceptions, and benefited my religion in some way.
Though you didn't write this to me, I was born and raised in the LDS church and was a member for 33 yrs. I know full well what the church taught me.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#206 Jan 23, 2013
WoW wrote:
<quoted text>You are apparently quite ignorant of LDS History. One of the major reasons for the Extermination Order in Missouri was the fact that Mormons were largely abolitionists and were trying to convert African Americans. Joseph Smith in fact ordained Elijah Abel and elder and placed him in charge of one the the most important branches in Cincinnati. Abel was one of the original Utah pioneers.
Your posts have positively nothing to do with the topic. That is an infringement of the terms of service you agreed to to post here. You are obsessed with hate and religious defamation, or the same spirit of antisemitism.
The topic is a sad one. People of all walks of life make mistakes but this one is newsworthy because it is so rare.
One black man in the first 150 yrs of Mormonism doesn't erase the bigotry of your teachings, which you still teach and believe in today. The major reason for the extermination order in Missouri was because Joseph Smith order one first on the governor of Missouri.

You don't own Topix, and you don't get to dictate what I can and can not post. If you don't like it, complain to the powers that be.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#207 Jan 24, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
One black man in the first 150 yrs of Mormonism doesn't erase the bigotry of your teachings, which you still teach and believe in today. The major reason for the extermination order in Missouri was because Joseph Smith order one first on the governor of Missouri.
You don't own Topix, and you don't get to dictate what I can and can not post. If you don't like it, complain to the powers that be.
We discussed this. Your source doesn't verify what you claim except by extreme interpretation.
But, for the benefit of doubt (again) I'll ask you to prove your statement with sources okay? That's fair isn't it? You showing sources to prove what you claim is true?
You stated... "The major reason for the extermination order in Missouri was because Joseph Smith order one first on the governor of Missouri."
You stated in the above that Smith was the first to give an extermination order on Boggs. That someone that knew Boggs told Boggs that Smith was having (probably one or more Danites you also have claimed he controlled) a Danite come to assassinate him. So in retaliation or an act of revenge, Boggs decided he would order an extermination order for all Mormons and Smith.
So supply the evidence and prove it all as you state it happened.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#208 Jan 25, 2013
While it is true that Governor Boggs did issue such a deplorable order, there is much more to the story. Actually, President Sidney Rigdon, who was "set apart March 18, 1833, as first counselor in the First Presidency by Joseph Smith" (see Essentials in Church History, 1942, page 660) suggested that there could be "a war of extermination" three months prior to the time Boggs issued his order. On July 4, 1838, President Rigdon delivered a very inflammatory speech. Mormon historian B.H. Roberts commented: "This oration by Sidney Rigdon has always been severely criticized as containing passages that were ill-advised and vehemently bitter. Especially those passages which threatened a war of extermination upon mobs should they again arise to plague the saints." (History of the Church, vol. 3, page 42, footnote)

An extract from Rigdon's speech is published in Roberts' Comprehensive History of the Church, vol. 1, page 441. After speaking of the persecution that church members had suffered, President Rigdon went on to say:

" ‘But from this day and this hour we will suffer it no more. We take God and all the holy angels to witness, this day, that we warn all men, in the name of Jesus Christ to come on us no more for ever, from this hour we will bear it no more; our rights shall no more be trampled on with impunity; the man, or the set of men who attempt it, do it at the expense of their lives. And that mob that comes on us to disturb us, it shall be between us and them a war of extermination; for we will follow them until the last drop of their blood is spilled; or else they will have to exterminate us, for we will carry the seat of war to their own houses and their own families, and one party or the other shall be utterly destroyed.... We this day, then, proclaim ourselves free with a purpose and determination that never can be broken, No, never! No, Never! No, never!' "

One page 443, of the same volume, B.H. Roberts acknowledged that Joseph Smith himself approved of the speech:

"The unwisdom of the utterance has been quite generally recognized by our writers, and by them responsibility for it has been placed upon the rather fervid imagination of Sidney Rigdon, who delivered the speech, and who quite generally is supposed to have been mainly or wholly responsible for it. This is not true. The speech was carefully prepared... and read by other presiding elders of the church before its delivery. It immediately appeared in The Far West, a weekly newspaper... and was also published... on the press of the Elders' Journal. Joseph Smith in his journal speaks of it approvingly; and in the Elders' Journal, of which he was the editor, and in the editorial columns under his name, the speech is approvingly recommended to the saints. In view of these facts, if the 'declaration' was of doubtful propriety, and unwise and impolitic, responsibility for it rests not alone on Sidney Rigdon, but upon the authorities of the church who approved it, and the people who accepted it by their acclamation."

When Sidney Rigdon later fell into a state of apostasy, the other Mormon leaders tried to blame him for their troubles in Missouri. President Brigham Young went so far as to state: "Elder Rigdon was the prime cause of our troubles in Missouri, by his fourth of July oration." (Times and Seasons, vol. 5, page 667)

http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no88.htm

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#209 Jan 25, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
While it is true that Governor Boggs did issue such a deplorable order, there is much more to the story. Actually, President Sidney Rigdon, who was "set apart March 18, 1833, as first counselor in the First Presidency by Joseph Smith" (see Essentials in Church History, 1942, page 660) suggested that there could be "a war of extermination" three months prior to the time Boggs issued his order. On July 4, 1838, President Rigdon delivered a very inflammatory speech. Mormon historian B.H. Roberts commented: "This oration by Sidney Rigdon has always been severely criticized as containing passages that were ill-advised and vehemently bitter. Especially those passages which threatened a war of extermination upon mobs should they again arise to plague the saints." (History of the Church, vol. 3, page 42, footnote)
An extract from Rigdon's speech is published in Roberts' Comprehensive History of the Church, vol. 1, page 441. After speaking of the persecution that church members had suffered, President Rigdon went on to say:
" ‘But from this day and this hour we will suffer it no more. We take God and all the holy angels to witness, this day, that we warn all men, in the name of Jesus Christ to come on us no more for ever, from this hour we will bear it no more; our rights shall no more be trampled on with impunity; the man, or the set of men who attempt it, do it at the expense of their lives. And that mob that comes on us to disturb us, it shall be between us and them a war of extermination; for we will follow them until the last drop of their blood is spilled; or else they will have to exterminate us, for we will carry the seat of war to their own houses and their own families, and one party or the other shall be utterly destroyed.... We this day, then, proclaim ourselves free with a purpose and determination that never can be broken, No, never! No, Never! No, never!' "
One page 443, of the same volume, B.H. Roberts acknowledged that Joseph Smith himself approved of the speech:
"The unwisdom of the utterance has been quite generally recognized by our writers, and by them responsibility for it has been placed upon the rather fervid imagination of Sidney Rigdon, who delivered the speech, and who quite generally is supposed to have been mainly or wholly responsible for it. This is not true. The speech was carefully prepared... and read by other presiding elders of the church before its delivery. It immediately appeared in The Far West, a weekly newspaper... and was also published... on the press of the Elders' Journal. Joseph Smith in his journal speaks of it approvingly; and in the Elders' Journal, of which he was the editor, and in the editorial columns under his name, the speech is approvingly recommended to the saints. In view of these facts, if the 'declaration' was of doubtful propriety, and unwise and impolitic, responsibility for it rests not alone on Sidney Rigdon, but upon the authorities of the church who approved it, and the people who accepted it by their acclamation."
When Sidney Rigdon later fell into a state of apostasy, the other Mormon leaders tried to blame him for their troubles in Missouri. President Brigham Young went so far as to state: "Elder Rigdon was the prime cause of our troubles in Missouri, by his fourth of July oration." (Times and Seasons, vol. 5, page 667)
http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no88.htm
This was the statement you made that I responded to. "The major reason for the extermination order in Missouri was because Joseph Smith order one first on the governor of Missouri."
You're belief is out of alignment with historical recordings from both sides concerning the matter.
There is no record of Smith ordering an execution of Boggs any where. Neither did Rigdon order an execution for Boggs. That was your opinion.
And in the above, Rigdon threatened "the mobs" not a politician. Boggs was a lieutenant governor when Rigdon spoke.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#210 Jan 25, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
This was the statement you made that I responded to. "The major reason for the extermination order in Missouri was because Joseph Smith order one first on the governor of Missouri."
You're belief is out of alignment with historical recordings from both sides concerning the matter.
There is no record of Smith ordering an execution of Boggs any where. Neither did Rigdon order an execution for Boggs. That was your opinion.
And in the above, Rigdon threatened "the mobs" not a politician. Boggs was a lieutenant governor when Rigdon spoke.
My bad. Boggs was the governor when Rigdon made that speech. But it still pertained to the mobs, not the governor.
Boggs also had a chance to help the Mormons when he was a lieutenant governor. He didn't. It was about the same time period when Smith declared his "Free men of colour" speech that riled up a lot of Missourians. Boggs also endorsed slavery. Boggs also had slaves at his home as lieutenant governor and at the governor's mansion.
It is quite evident that Boggs didn't care for Mormons as he obviously saw them as abolutionists and he was for slavery and owned slaves. So is it any wonder that as lieutenant governor he refused to do anything for Mormons and as governor, he ordered them from the state?

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