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Terb

Riverton, UT

#22 Nov 22, 2008
Jesus also loves gays and lesbians.

However the vast majority of Mormons do not.
wade

Columbia, MO

#23 Nov 23, 2008
Terb wrote:
Jesus also loves gays and lesbians.
However the vast majority of Mormons do not.
you know thats the trurth. i don't know why mormons think ther better than everybody else in the world. gods see's everyone in his eyes and heart. the bible says he loves us all. now the mormons on other hand has it he only loves them because there pure at heart and don't do no wrong
Lehi

Wartburg, TN

#24 Nov 23, 2008
What a load of garbage I have read here. You people in your great and cyber-spacious building have no clue what it is to be a Christian. Why is our religion a problem for you? Your itching ears will bring out all sorts of stories that you can share amongst yourselves, have fun.

We are all trying to get back to our Heavenly Father through the blood of His only begotten son, if we fight all the way we may all be shut out.

Love one another.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#25 Dec 8, 2008
many mormons love them....but do not agree with their choices of lifestyle. my aunt was gay and we loved her, my friend is gay, i love him, my boyfriends roomate is gay and we love him too. i am a fornicator but many mormons still love me. i must admit i don't really fit in with most of them because of different lifestyles but that has nothing to do with love. and we have to remember, mormons are human too...they make mistakes, they judge people unrighteously, some are ignorant...just like we all are sometimes.
Terb wrote:
Jesus also loves gays and lesbians.
However the vast majority of Mormons do not.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#26 Dec 8, 2008
most mormons I know are very critical of themselves....they are constantly in self-reflection and trying to become better. sometimes I think this can come off as thinking they are better. you may have had some experiences with some mormons who think they are superior but this in not the mormon way nor are the majority of mormons like that.
wade wrote:
<quoted text>you know thats the trurth. i don't know why mormons think ther better than everybody else in the world. gods see's everyone in his eyes and heart. the bible says he loves us all. now the mormons on other hand has it he only loves them because there pure at heart and don't do no wrong
LDS

United States

#27 Dec 8, 2008
Quiet_Dave wrote:
Jol310,
I'm sorry for your pain, I'm surprized they didn't arrange a ring exchange ceremony immediately after the sealing in the temple for non-member friends and family. I joined the Church several years ago, and have warned my mother and family, that I intend to be sealed in the temple and should they care to attend with me they should investigate the church and join (if they believe). The temple is sacred ground and is limited in access to those who are really attempting to live the commandments of God, but that is the only restriction.
Your friend that stopped paying tithes, started robbing God, needed to repent and begin again to make an honest effort (that is not something usually done over night). I'm sorry for him that he can't reap the blessings without paying the price in obedience, but that is the way things go.
I believe you've misunderstood the year wait requirement. That is for all new converts: they must be active striving members for a minimum of one year to go to the temple. If one is married outside the temple, because one spouse has not been a member a sufficient amount of time, the wait is impossed. Otherwise, there should be no problem anywhere with marrying in a civil ceremony and being sealed that same day in the temple by the power and authority of the holy priesthood; so long as both parties are temple recommend holding Latter-day Saints.
Those marrying outside the temple are cautioned that they risk losing the blessing of the sealing, eternal marriage, because they can never guarentee what will occur between the one ceremony and the next. The eternal blessings come only with the temple sealing, the other ceremonies are for this life (mortality) only.
I was glad to read this and a few more.I am LDS and have been since 1984 and I'm very proud to call myself a Latter Day Saint.All these people making horrible remarks don't have a clue what they are talking about.I wanted to comment but didn't want to comment out of anger because thats what I felt when I read most of this garbage.Being sealed in the temple is a wonderful blessing,my daughter was sealed in the Nevada Temple in 2005.It angers me that we are considered a cult by some people.The only thing that gives me peace of mind is I know for a fact that the church is true and we do have the fullness of the gospil which makes us the only true chuch upon the face of the earth and it saddens me that its hard for some to understand that.Thanks for your inspiring words..
wade

Columbia, MO

#28 Dec 8, 2008
since when is the mormon church the only true church on earth. the mormon church started with a man named joseph smith. which nobody really knows much about. who claimed to have seen god our holy father. and who claims to have been given golden writing to which the book of mormon come from.now since when did the mormon church become the only true church. tell all other churches to close there doors the mormons have took over the world and the gosphel. get rid of the bible the mormons are here

“I Believe in Christ”

Since: Nov 08

Salt Lake City, UT

#29 Dec 8, 2008
wade wrote:
since when is the mormon church the only true church on earth. the mormon church started with a man named joseph smith. which nobody really knows much about. who claimed to have seen god our holy father. and who claims to have been given golden writing to which the book of mormon come from.now since when did the mormon church become the only true church. tell all other churches to close there doors the mormons have took over the world and the gosphel. get rid of the bible the mormons are here
Actually, the Book of Mormon's full title is The Book of Mormon: ANOTHER Testament of Jesus Christ. We use it as a COMPANION to the BIBLE. You see, the Bible is a tricky book. No one can 100% understand it because there isn't an original copy around. There is probably as much "proof" of the Bible being a true book as the Book of Mormon being a true book, seeing as there is no original Bible manuscript. There are HUNDREDS of translations of the Bible, and more being made every day. The Book of Mormon is actually there to prove that the Bible is the word of God.

Larry, please help me out here. You already have all the links, and I've been too sick to do much research today.:)

Since: Mar 08

Brookhaven PA

#30 Dec 8, 2008
tell me about the magic underwear you completely rational freaks!!
go live

Honolulu, HI

#31 Dec 8, 2008
republican_bob wrote:
tell me about the magic underwear you completely rational freaks!!
If they were so magic..I would be a millionaire. Please, do not mock what you do not understand.

“I Believe in Christ”

Since: Nov 08

Salt Lake City, UT

#32 Dec 8, 2008
go live wrote:
<quoted text>
If they were so magic..I would be a millionaire. Please, do not mock what you do not understand.
LOL!!! I tried to think of a good response to what he said, but I couldn't without getting angry. Thank you for putting a humorous response, as well as a plea for respect in such a cool, lighthearted way. Keep up the good work!!
go live

Honolulu, HI

#33 Dec 8, 2008
neutral one wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!! I tried to think of a good response to what he said, but I couldn't without getting angry. Thank you for putting a humorous response, as well as a plea for respect in such a cool, lighthearted way. Keep up the good work!!
The pleasure is all mine

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#34 Dec 8, 2008
mormons believe in the bible too.
wade wrote:
since when is the mormon church the only true church on earth. the mormon church started with a man named joseph smith. which nobody really knows much about. who claimed to have seen god our holy father. and who claims to have been given golden writing to which the book of mormon come from.now since when did the mormon church become the only true church. tell all other churches to close there doors the mormons have took over the world and the gosphel. get rid of the bible the mormons are here

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

Orem, UT

#35 Dec 8, 2008
republican_bob wrote:
tell me about the magic underwear you completely rational freaks!!
The only ones I consider freaks are the ones who have a weird interest in someone else's underwear.

Since: Mar 08

Brookhaven PA

#36 Dec 9, 2008
I'll be over here in heretic realityland.
when you guys are having your little schizophrenic conversations on sunday morning, i'll be sleeping off my previous night's debauchery.

keep praying for things.. that's been REAL SUCCESSFUL!

"atheists don't get disappointed too often but when we talk to the walls you know something's actually wrong"
LDS

United States

#37 Dec 9, 2008
Hannah Rebekah wrote:
<quoted text>
The only ones I consider freaks are the ones who have a weird interest in someone else's underwear.
...Amen to that. This Bob guy is nuts!!!!

Since: Mar 08

Brookhaven PA

#38 Dec 9, 2008
everyone who talks to people who cannot be seen raise their hand!

that leaves me, but you deem ME "nuts" so eloquently.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#39 Dec 9, 2008
I think perhaps the Mormons need a little help telling their whole story.
Here is an interesting site on the Mountain Meadow Massacre, something everyone who wants to know the true nature of the Mormon Church should be fully aware of.

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/meadows1.htm

the author of this book has kindly put up the whole book to be read for free on the internet!
A very well written and documented account of this most horrible atrocity ever committed on US soil by any religious group.
123CandS

Kailua Kona, HI

#40 Dec 15, 2008
jol310 wrote:
The LDS Church advertises itself as a family oriented church; but let me tell you about our experience with the family values LDS Church. Our daughter joined the LDS church and was later married in an LDS temple.
We, along with her entire immediate and extended family, were excluded from the ceremony. People who were virtual strangers to her were present; we were not allowed to be there. Why? The LDS church prohibits non-members from entering their temples, even for family weddings.
After a lifetime of expressing unconditional love and support in all the tangible and intangible ways only a mother can; I was judged "unworthy" and excluded.
The LDS church’s exclusionary policy extends to church members who are considered “unworthy” in some way. Several years ago, a friend was excluded from his daughter’s wedding because he had fallen behind in his tithing. In other words, a father (and life-long member of the LDS church) was denied permission to be present at the marriage of his daughter because he owed the church money.
A simple solution would be to encourage couples to marry outside the temple and have the temple sealing later. However, LDS couples living in the United States are actively discouraged from considering this option.(See the church publication Ensign, Feb 2005.) Those who do decide to include all those they love in their wedding ceremony and marry outside the temple are penalized by church policy which requires them to wait one year to be sealed in the temple. In addition, they are demeaned by church leadership and other members as being “less faithful”. However, this waiting period is not church policy in the UK, France, Germany, Japan and many other countries. It is not even a consistent policy within the US.
In these countries, church policy allows couples to marry in a ceremony outside the temple and to be sealed in the temple on the same day or another day. They are not required to wait the one year period. In the United States, couples who do not live within an easy day’s drive of a temple are permitted to marry in their hometown and then travel to a temple to be sealed. Again, they are not penalized by a one year waiting period.
Clearly, there is doctrine prohibiting this practice.
If the LDS church is unwilling to allow non-LDS family and friends to be present at temple marriages (and I don’t think they should be forced to), they should eliminate the one year penalty. This would allow for a more inclusive ceremony and would be consistent with its own policy in other countries and other areas of the US.
I have lived and worked with LDS people for more that twenty years and have found Mormons to generally be kind people; I am not “anti-Mormon”. To those LDS people who disagree with me’ I ask that you at least try to understand that I speak from a mother’s hurting heart. To those LDS people who do agree, I know that you have been counseled never to criticize church leaders even when you think they are wrong. However, I ask you to remember all the examples history gives us of how only when people find the courage to speak do things change.
If LDS church leaders are serious about their part in healing religious divides and honest about their public pro-family stance they must change their policy. It is time to stop coercing couples into insisting that the people they love stand outside LDS buildings with broken hearts.


~~~ I know of a marriage similar to what you mention here, except I believe the mother was a "5th generation" Mormon, but she was unable to meet the requirements of tithing, & etc.(but no "moral" or "Word of Wisdom" problems though). It seems like they try to set up barriers to family unity in many cases.(continued)
123CandS

Kailua Kona, HI

#41 Dec 15, 2008
(continued)
I think this is worth repeating (in keeping with "The Golden Rule" & "Rule making", etc.):

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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/latter-da...

~~~ SEE THIS "Smith History Vault: 1887 David Whitmer (online) book" on this Website ~~>>
http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1880s-1890...

{ David Whitmer was reported to be one of the "Three Witnesses" to the Book of Mormon's "Golden Plates" }

~~~ If you have time read it. Part of what David Whitmer said is:

"... We denounce the doctrine of polygamy and spiritual wifeism. It is a great evil, shocking to the moral sense, and the more so because practiced in the name of Religion. It is of man and not of God, and is especially forbidden in the Book of Mormon itself in these words. "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.... For there shall not any man among you have

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save it be one wife: and concubines he shall have none: For I the Lord God, delighteth in the chastity of woman." (Book of Mormon, page 116, chap. 2. par. 6).

We do not indorse the teachings of any of the so-called Mormons or Latter Day Saints, which are in conflict with the gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, as taught in the New Testament and the Book of Mormon.

They have departed in a great measure from the faith of the CHURCH OF CHRIST as it was first established, by heeding revelations given through Joseph Smith, who, after being called of God to translate his sacred word -- the Book of Mormon -- drifted into many errors and gave many revelations to introduce doctrines, ordinances and offices in the church, which are in conflict with Christ's teachings. They also changed the name of the church.

Their departure from the faith is also according to prophecy. "Now the spirit speaketh expressly that in THE LATTER TIMES some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils." (1 Tim. iv:1).

On account of God giving to Joseph Smith the gift to translate the plates on which was engraven the Nephite scriptures, the people of the church put too much trust in him -- in the man -- and believed his words as if they were from God's own mouth.

They have trusted in an arm of flesh.(Jeremiah xvii:5) "Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusted in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."

They looked to Joseph Smith as lawgiver; we look to Christ alone, and believe only in the religion of Jesus Christ and not in the religion of any man.

The doctrine of polygamy was not introduced until about fourteen years after the church was established; but other doctrines of error were introduced earlier than this.

I left the body in June, 1838, being five years before polygamy was introduced.

Joseph Smith drifting into errors after translating the Book of Mormon, is a stumbling-block to many, but only those of very weak faith would stumble on this account. Greater abominations are recorded of David in the Bible, than is recorded to-day of Joseph Smith; but do you reject the Psalms on this account? Do you reject the Proverbs because Solomon was a polygamist?...."

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"David Whitmer" references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Whitmer

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