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certaincurtain

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Oct 14, 2007
 
When Jesus was speaking to the Mormons in his day he said this:

John 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Clearly he was also speaking of the Mormons today as he did back then.

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Oct 14, 2007
 
Hmmmm, I wonder how Rabbi Nahum, the Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Egypt as from 1925 until 1960 would interpret that?
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Oct 14, 2007
 
The Apostle Paul who converted to Mormonism after receiving his First Vision whilst on the road to Damascus said this of Mormonism:

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

This gospel of Christ is commonly known today as Mormonism. It is the everlasting gospel and was first restored to the earth in Genesis 1:31 which says:

Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"every thing" in that verse included the restoration of the Mormon Church. After restoring it God said this of it, "and, behold, it was very good."

It is not wise to ridicule the Mormon Church when God has pronounced it "very good".

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Oct 14, 2007
 
What utter nonsense! Have you no fear of the Lord for mocking Him so and His Servant Paul?

(Galatians 1:6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

(Galatians 1:7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

(Galatians 1:8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

(Galatians 1:9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Which the Mormons without doubt have done.(The Book of Mormon)
How very sad.
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Oct 14, 2007
 
The gospel preached by Paul is Mormonism. It is in very deed the plan of God the Father and Jesus Christ that will bring true happiness. Paul was speaking to the Galatian Mormons or formally known as the Galatian Saints.

Mormonism is the gospel that Paul embraced. He took the discussions, was baptized and became a staunch defender of Mormonism.

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Oct 15, 2007
 
certaincurtain wrote:
The gospel preached by Paul is Mormonism. It is in very deed the plan of God the Father and Jesus Christ that will bring true happiness. Paul was speaking to the Galatian Mormons or formally known as the Galatian Saints.
Mormonism is the gospel that Paul embraced. He took the discussions, was baptized and became a staunch defender of Mormonism.
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Paul never embraced a gospel that had as the father of His Lord one that had human origins.

That is where the Mormon gospel dies dead in its tracks.

There is not really a need to go any further into one's investigation.

God, the Father of their jesus, was a perfected, exalted human. It ends right there, that the end.

We will go one step further. They teach a literal sexual union between this human God and Mary. Boy does it even end there? That shuts the whole thing down.

I spent a lot of time in prayer and all of a sudden it came as clear as anything could. I didn't need to argue all of these other points. This point ended it as far as we Christians who have learned some things at the hand of Paul.

The most deadly thing in the Mormon teachings is this business about God the Father being a perfected and exalted human. The next most deadly thing is that this god had an actual sexual union with Mary.

That is the place where all arguments end.

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Oct 15, 2007
 
Latter-day Saints perceive the Father as an exalted Man in the most literal, anthropomorphic terms. They do not view the language of Genesis as allegorical; human beings are created in the form and image of a God who has a physical form and image (Gen. 1:26).

The Prophet Joseph Smith explained, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit" (D&C 130:22). Thus, "God is a Spirit" (John 4:24) in the sense that the Holy Ghost, the member of the Godhead who deals most often and most directly with humans, is a God and a spirit, but God the Father and God the Son are spirits with physical, resurrected bodies.

Latter-day Saints deny the abstract nature of God the Father and affirm that he is a concrete being, that he possesses a physical body, and that he is in space and time. They further reject any idea that God the Father is "totally other," unknowable, or incomprehensible.

In LDS doctrine, knowing the Father and the Son is a prerequisite to eternal life (John 17:3; D&C 88:49). In the opinion of many Latter-day Saints, the concept of an abstract, incomprehensible deity constitutes an intrusion of Greek philosophical categories upon the biblical record.

The Father, Elohim, is called the Father because he is the literal father of the spirits of mortals (Heb. 12:9). This paternity is not allegorical. All individual human spirits were begotten (not created from nothing or made) by the Father in a premortal state, where they lived and were nurtured by Heavenly Parents, husband and wife, God and one of his wives. These Spirit children of the Father come to earth to receive mortal bodies; there is a literal family relationship among humankind. Joseph Smith taught, "If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves" (TPJS, p. 343). Gods and humans represent a single divine lineage, the same species of being, although they and he are at different stages of progress. This doctrine is stated concisely in a well-known couplet by President Lorenzo Snow: "As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be" (see Godhood). This principle is clearly demonstrated in the person of Jesus Christ, a God who became mortal, and yet a God like whom mortals may become (Rom. 8:29; 2 Cor. 3:18).

Joseph Smith taught, "If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves" (TPJS, p. 343). Gods and humans represent a single divine lineage, the same species of being, although they and he are at different stages of progress. This doctrine is stated concisely in a well-known couplet by President Lorenzo Snow: "As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be" (see Godhood). This principle is clearly demonstrated in the person of Jesus Christ, a God who became mortal, and yet a God like whom mortals may become (Rom. 8:29; 2 Cor. 3:18).

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Oct 15, 2007
 
Father and Mother are the heavenly pattern, model, and example of what mortals can become through obedience to the gospel.

Knowing that they are the literal offspring of Heavenly Parents and that they can become like those parents through the gospel of Jesus Christ is a wellspring of religious motivation.

With God as the literal Father and with humans having the capacity to become like him, the basic religious questions "Where did I come from?," "Why am I here?," and What is my destiny?" are fundamentally answered.

This is the damnable lie. It attempted to reduce God to the level that simple minded men could understand.
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Oct 15, 2007
 
The Gospel is so simple, that simple minded people like yourself can't comprehend !
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Oct 15, 2007
 
The second recorded instance of the Mormon Church being restored to the earth is in Genesis 10:25.

Genesis 10:25
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

The people of the earth were having a good time. Doing their own thing. Then the Lord restored his church again (the Mormon Church because he can restore no other church) and the people divided into two camps. For and against. This is confirmed in the verse that says,

"for in his days was the earth divided"

that is, in the days of Peleg.

Now it also applies to the breaking up on the land but thats another matter that can be dealt with later on.

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Oct 15, 2007
 
I am sorry but no one ever heard of the Mormon Church until Joseph Smith began to bring False Witness against God.

The God of Joseph smith is not the God of Abraham. It is not the God Paul taught. That is your fatal flaw.

What the Mormons thing about God:

God is an exalted man, perfected, enthroned, and supreme." (Mormon doctrine. p.250) "God the father is a perfected, glorified, holy man, an immortal personage." (Mormon Doctrine. p.742)

This is the Damnable lie of Mormonism.

The one that will get you in trouble. Forget all the rest, this is the problem.
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Oct 15, 2007
 
The Holy Scriptures make it clear that man, being in the image of GOd are to be like as He is if they will accept totally the gospel of Jesus Christ today commonly known as Mormonism and keep all His commandments.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Do I need to explain what a joint heir is?
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Oct 15, 2007
 
God has commanded Mormons to be as perfect as He is as stated in the Holy Scriptures:

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If I am perfect as He is is that not as perfect as He is?

This mandate was given to the Mormons in Jesus' day and amplified soon after His resurrection.

3 Nephi 27:27
And know ye that ye shall be judges of this people, according to the judgment which I shall give unto you, which shall be just. Therefore, what manner of men ought ye to be? Verily I say unto you, even as I am.

Thats right, Mormons are commanded to be even as He is.

This mandate is not upon those who have not accepted Mormonism for the simple reason it is impossible to be perfect as He is without accepting His gospel given to us through Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet.

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Oct 15, 2007
 
Well, let me see.

How many perfect men is there on record with the mormon Church?

I would like to know how many to expect.

Will the numbers continue to grow as they have in the last 177 years?

Of course there were not many before the 177 years began I am sure.

Was Joseph one of them or was his life cut short before He attained this perfection?

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Oct 15, 2007
 
Oh, I forgot to ask. Is this Gospel Joseph brought us the same as the Gospel Paul preached?

No, indeed it is not!

Well let whoever preaches it be Accursed as Paul put it.

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Oct 15, 2007
 
You have got to learn how to be gods yourselves ... the same as all Gods before you ... to inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a God."(teachings of the prophet J.Smith, p.346,347)

Now that is the joke of the year. Learn how to be gods.

That is not really a joke. It was the same lie Satan tempted Eve with in the Garden.

Joseph does a better job than his brother, Lucifer.
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Oct 16, 2007
 
Wow, now the LDS folks are commanded to be perfect. Okay, when I get home tomorrow, as I am driving down I-15, I better see the turn signals used, no speeding, no accidents, simple, polite conversations by all in the supermarkets, no pushing, no cutting people off, no shopping on Sunday, etc. I expect this as of now! You said it, not me. Oh, and the colleague who was just sustained as Bishop on Sunday, I better not ever see him at work on Sunday.

Oh, and quite arguing about the Book of Mormon. It is perfect. It was written by a perfect man.

Or is it? Could this all be a farce?

So if man is not perfect, is the bible perfect? After all, G-D did not write the bible. Man did. So it mus not be perfect. The bible is probably no better than a good Steven King novel. Actually the Steven King novel is probably a better read.
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Oct 16, 2007
 
The Mormon Prophet in the Old Testament named Noah is recorded as perfect.

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

The injunction to Abraham was this:

Genesis 17:1
AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Abraham obtained perfection in mortality inasmuch as he was able to and to the satisfaction of Jesus Christ. The result is this:

Doctrine and Covenants 132:37.
"...as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods."

There are many instances in the Bible, Old and New of perfect Mormons. I shall give one more.

Job 1:1
THERE was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

See?

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Oct 17, 2007
 
What is the Mormon response on the issue of race, specifically the black race in relation to the rest of the races as stated in the Mormon book.

I think the point is not about the beliefs it is about the divergeance on issues like the marked differences between the Mormon bible and the Holy Bible.

Again, not too long ago I visited a church in Delaware and the pastor said that the Bible was old fashioned.
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Oct 17, 2007
 
Malaika wrote:
What is the Mormon response on the issue of race, specifically the black race in relation
to the rest of the races as stated in the Mormon book.I think the point is not about the beliefs it is about the divergeance on issues like the marked differences between the Mormon bible and the Holy Bible.
Again, not too long ago I visited a church in Delaware and the pastor said that the Bible was old fashioned.
I have my LDS Scriptires in front of me. the Mormon Bible is the King James Bible how is that different from much of "Traditional" Christianity? Or do you not accept anyone that uses the King James Bible?

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