Gay couples wed in Utah after judge overturns ban

Dec 20, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Asbury Park Press

A federal judge struck down Utah's same-sex marriage ban Friday in a decision that marks a drastic shift toward gay marriage in a conservative state where the Mormon church has long been against it.

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Go figure. Utah.

Guess prop 8 didn't go well for them either.

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Go figure. Utah.
Guess prop 8 didn't go well for them either.
Obviously not as they expected that's for damn sure........lol!!!

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Poetic justice at its finest!
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The 14th Amendment to the Constitution is the way I saw these bans as unconstitutional from the start.

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The glorious irony is that the LDS teaches that the U.S. Constitution is a "divinely inspired document".

Images of a kitten snarled in yarn come to mind.
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Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.

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Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.
Here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/192781988/2-13-cv-0... #

Actually READ the decision before you post.

A little tidbit about Judge Shelby that I'm certain will interest you:

http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo...

BOTH Senators from Utah, Hatch and Lee, endorsed his appointment.

http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/...

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/12-3-28Ha...

A Mormon "activist judge" ?

You're beyond silly.

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Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.
But when they rule in YOUR favor on something, they are 'just doing their job' ya we know.

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Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.
Sorry but trying to piss on this parade ain't gonna cut it. Time for you to go back under your bridge.
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<quoted text>But when they rule in YOUR favor on something, they are 'just doing their job' ya we know.
Single judges should not have the right to rule on State referendums already law. It is too much power for an individual. It destroys a citizenry's involvement and faith in democracy at any level.
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The German Reich and the Soviet Union distorted jurisprudence in the same way activist judges in America have distorted their power. Leftists arrange this attack on civil society intentionally as a way to gain total, tyrannical control and devalue Western democracy.
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Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.
Your too funny trout, as you obviously have not read the opinion. He quoted Scalia's dissent in to SCOTUS case of DOMA in Windsor for his reasoning of unconstitutionality (which is pretty damn hilarious in its own right)

From the ruling:

“In my opinion, however, the view that this Court will take of state prohibition of same-sex marriage is indicated beyond mistaking by today’s opinion. As I have said, the real rationale of today’s opinion ... is that DOMA is motivated by “bare ... desire to harm” couples in same-sex marriages. How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same- sex couples marital status.”

The court agrees with Justice Scalia’s interpretation of Windsor and finds that the important federalism concerns at issue here are nevertheless insufficient to save a state-law prohibition that denies the Plaintiffs their rights to due process and equal protection under the law.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/can-utah-thank...
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And for added laughs, as someone pointed out over on Reddit; every state in which Mitt Rommney owns a house...now has gay marriage.

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Single judges should not have the right to rule on State referendums already law. It is too much power for an individual. It destroys a citizenry's involvement and faith in democracy at any level.
Which is exactly why we're NOT a democracy, but rather a republic where judges are tasked with ensuring any laws passed by states don't violate the constitutional rights of its citizens.

What you're thinking is mob rule, where minorities rights can simply be voted away by the majority.

That's NOT how our system of government works.

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Single judges should not have the right to rule on State referendums already law. It is too much power for an individual. It destroys a citizenry's involvement and faith in democracy at any level.
why are you such a crappy US citizen? you have repeatedly shown you have less than a 6th grade level understanding of your own nation and how it works and why it works that way...

if you hate the US this much, and don't care to even be a citizen, why do you stay here?

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” Gingrich goes too far to say Obama has put more on the rolls than other presidents. We asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that.

And under Obama, the increase so far has been 14.2 million. To be exact, the program has so far grown by 444,574 fewer recipients during Obama’s time in office than during Bush’s.”

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Is it? Obama has still added fewer people than Bush did. The year count doesn't matter until you get to the total. 14.7 million bush to 14.2 million for Obama. BINGO!

And the biggest amount of Obama's came right after Bush left office

" Gingrich goes too far to say Obama has put more on the rolls than other presidents. We asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that.

And under Obama, the increase so far has been 14.2 million. To be exact, the program has so far grown by 444,574 fewer recipients during Obama’s time in office than during Bush’s."

Gov. Brewer expands medicaid-"We lost, they won"

Can the CONS win an election before 2024-they tried McLame, Osama Bin Romney, Failin out of College Palin, Lyin Ryan=all are loosers, and now Boehner has said Cons have lost crediblity

End of the CONS-Hillary 2016
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Go figure. Utah.
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According to the deeply "religious," the deity/God does these things for a reason, in reaction to human wrongdoing or sin. By this logic ...

... the implications here are HILARIOUS.

For their having done what they did in California (Proposition 8), the Mormon church have been so resoundingly kicked in the teeth, as the saying goes, that there's NO mistaking any intent from upon high. UTAH, of all places! UTAH! Unbelievable.

On a side note, I'm not 100% sure this one will end well, and I'm already anticipating my own tremendous irritation with how the pro-gay handle that. The appellate court might overturn this and the supreme court might decline to take up the matter ("too early," or whatever their odd logic is). Then the latest "victory" would have turned into a "defeat" and the antigay, for anyone who gives a crap about this, would crow and crow that where constitutional amendments had been passed, legal logic was being shown to favor the antigay views and actions on this matter.

I'm not meaning to depress or alarm anyone, but all of this has crossed my mind. Of course to me, all that means is that you redouble, even triple, the stubbornness of your effort, and you find every in-the-box and out-of-the-box way you can to reverse this, whether in Utah or by shifting the fight elsewhere. Anyway. I hope people are encouraged to redouble efforts rather than left depressed even by the hints of such suggestions.

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Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.
Can I get a picture of you STOMPING your feet and holding your breath? It would be PRICELESS......lol!!!

Funny how the Judges are ALWAYS considered "ACTIVIST" when they DON'T rule your way!!!
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Activist judges legislating from the bench must be stopped; it is an outrageous usurpation of power by single individuals against the will of the citizenry of a State. It appears there are several reasons to repeal the 14th Amendment. And many more reasons for Congress to impeach these judges and remove them from the bench.
This is how I wish the pro-gay had reacted from the get-go and how I wish they would continue to react; I continue to concede that the antigay are a *model* of the EFFORT I feel should be put forth in fighting *for* equal rights as savagely as possible.

No matter how bombastic it/you sound(s), no matter how "ridiculous," this is the *attitude* that is needed, the attitude that literally nnnnnothing will stop the fight *for* equal rights.

That being said, and beating a dead horse at this point (and you better damn believe I'm happy to do so), I disagree with everything you have written here.

However, I encourage you to attempt that "battle" against these activist judges. Did you see what just happened in Oklahoma?

When so-called "christians" mounted a statue of the ten commandments, a satanist group was quick to claim the same right. And the nanosecond you want these judges removed from their positions for "activism," you and I both know it'll start backfiring against you when they render verdicts in *YOUR* favor, are called activists in the next breath, and are removed from the bench for verdicts *YOU* feel should stand.

Occam's razor suggests that the simplest solution here is to admit to yourself that this decision you absolutely, viciously depise ... is actually fair. Doesn't mean you have to like it, but it's much simpler than the route you suggest.
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Single judges should not have the right to rule on State referendums already law. It is too much power for an individual. It destroys a citizenry's involvement and faith in democracy at any level.
This is fair if it goes both ways. However, one noted problem with this approach is that the citizenry can be vehemently and ridiculously unfair. You know full well you wouldn't want that unfairness affecting *your* life. Period.

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