New laws: Teachers do not have to dis...

New laws: Teachers do not have to disclose guns

There are 60 comments on the Times Herald story from Aug 19, 2014, titled New laws: Teachers do not have to disclose guns. In it, Times Herald reports that:

Kasey Hansen yelled as she pointed her loaded handgun at a target's chest at a shooting range outside Salt Lake City.

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Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#41 Aug 27, 2014
Not teachers wrote:
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As I said - armed guards.
While you’re waiting for an armed guard or LEO to save you and your students from an active shooter you might be interested in purchasing one of these. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-barnes/2014...
Perfect solution

Chambersburg, PA

#42 Aug 27, 2014
Get Out wrote:
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While you’re waiting for an armed guard or LEO to save you and your students from an active shooter you might be interested in purchasing one of these. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-barnes/2014...
Looks great. Keeps the kids safe without further traumatizing them.

“Pompous pontificator”

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#43 Aug 27, 2014
Perfect solution wrote:
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Looks great. Keeps the kids safe without further traumatizing them.
Interesting for maybe some small schools with a tight budget and/or wussy administrators. But I doubt this tool has any deterrent effect like a sign posted outside the school saying the students and staff are protected by staff carrying firearms.
I think teachers with guns trumps mousetraps. The door tools are better than nothin'.
Idealogue

Chambersburg, PA

#44 Aug 28, 2014
Bubbletoes wrote:
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Interesting for maybe some small schools with a tight budget and/or wussy administrators. But I doubt this tool has any deterrent effect like a sign posted outside the school saying the students and staff are protected by staff carrying firearms.
I think teachers with guns trumps mousetraps. The door tools are better than nothin'.
The door tools are better than armed teachers. They protect students without further traumatizing them.

But when advancing the gun industry agenda is your highest priority, the actual safety and well being of little kids will always take a back seat to MOAR GUUUNNS!!!!

“Facts”

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#45 Aug 30, 2014
so uninformed wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm, yes you can.
No new permits are being issued to civilians

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#46 Aug 30, 2014
simply wrong wrote:
<quoted text>Poll numbers support my position. That's how I know I'm in the center.
Learn to read polls
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#47 Aug 30, 2014
Idealogue wrote:
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The door tools are better than armed teachers. They protect students without further traumatizing them.
But when advancing the gun industry agenda is your highest priority, the actual safety and well being of little kids will always take a back seat to MOAR GUUUNNS!!!!
Hope you’re not being serious that these students won’t be traumatized even with the device in place after a shooting!
Reading comprehension

Chambersburg, PA

#48 Sep 2, 2014
Get Out wrote:
<quoted text>Hope you’re not being serious that these students won’t be traumatized even with the device in place after a shooting!
Check again. I said "further" traumatized, which would certainly happen if little kids watch their teacher engage in a shoot-out in front of them.
Absolutely

Chambersburg, PA

#49 Sep 2, 2014
Here Is One wrote:
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Learn to read polls
I can. Which is how I know what I'm saying is true.

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#50 Sep 2, 2014
Idealogue wrote:
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The door tools are better than armed teachers. They protect students without further traumatizing them.
But when advancing the gun industry agenda is your highest priority, the actual safety and well being of little kids will always take a back seat to MOAR GUUUNNS!!!!
I have been known to wear a belt AND suspenders sometimes. I also carry a lot of life, auto, and hazard insurance. I keep a flashlight and firearm by the bed, and a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. If I still had kids in school, I'd be more afraid of a nut with a gun than several teachers with guns neatly tucked in holsters out of sight. Like the belt and suspenders, I'd think special door locks AND reliable people with the tools and knowledge to protect students is THE best approach to safeguarding kids in school. A belt alone does not always do the job. And a door lock alone could be a HUGE disappointment (after it's too late). And in this sense "disappointment" is too small a word. When something is ALL-IMPORTANT, half measures just won't do.
Paranoia

Chambersburg, PA

#51 Sep 2, 2014
Bubbletoes wrote:
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I have been known to wear a belt AND suspenders sometimes. I also carry a lot of life, auto, and hazard insurance. I keep a flashlight and firearm by the bed, and a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. If I still had kids in school, I'd be more afraid of a nut with a gun than several teachers with guns neatly tucked in holsters out of sight. Like the belt and suspenders, I'd think special door locks AND reliable people with the tools and knowledge to protect students is THE best approach to safeguarding kids in school. A belt alone does not always do the job. And a door lock alone could be a HUGE disappointment (after it's too late). And in this sense "disappointment" is too small a word. When something is ALL-IMPORTANT, half measures just won't do.
You have every right to over-prepare for improbable and unlikely events. The problem comes when you expect the rest of us to do the same or to fund excessive preparation.

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#52 Sep 4, 2014
Paranoia wrote:
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You have every right to over-prepare for improbable and unlikely events. The problem comes when you expect the rest of us to do the same or to fund excessive preparation.

We are in some agreement it seems. I have never espoused any school district be mandated by any law to take up arms, that would be un-American. It would be akin to...say if we were forced to buy health insurance; and we all know THAT wouldn't be right OR constitutional. But I digress. Decisions as to how children are taught and protected should be a state or local option with no heavy-handed federal government intervention...such as with 'common core'. This country was founded on the principles of freedom FROM government and Kings. We are free to make smart decisions, and free to support less than intelligent plans, or have no plan at-all. I for one think parents should be more involved in the decisions that effect their children's safety.

Parents work hard and long hours to put bread on the table and a roof over the family's head, and it's so easy to leave the care of our children to others. Who has the time! But let's remember what the constitutional amendments really mean. They do not GIVE any "rights", we are BORN with rights. The constitution enumerates many of your 'natural rights' and bars any government and their agents from usurping those natural rights. So, enjoy all your rights and be glad for the second amendment, for it guarantees ALL the others. Get out there and rediscover your natural rights; use the first amendment to protect your right to educate the educators and do what you believe is in the best interest of your children. No one can stop you from giving your earnest opinion on any matter important to you and your loved ones. And if you think owning a firearm is important, or asking school officials to employ them as part of their safety scheme is important, make that happen. After all, your local government is given power by YOU and is accountable TO you. You and your neighbors are in charge, so let them know what you think. And if enough of you want something done, get it done. If door locks are good enough for your kid, so be it. If nothing is too good to protect your child, do THE best you can to protect them from those "improbable and unlikely events".
Be consistent

Chambersburg, PA

#53 Sep 4, 2014
Bubbletoes wrote:
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We are in some agreement it seems. I have never espoused any school district be mandated by any law to take up arms, that would be un-American. It would be akin to...say if we were forced to buy health insurance; and we all know THAT wouldn't be right OR constitutional. But I digress. Decisions as to how children are taught and protected should be a state or local option with no heavy-handed federal government intervention...such as with 'common core'. This country was founded on the principles of freedom FROM government and Kings. We are free to make smart decisions, and free to support less than intelligent plans, or have no plan at-all. I for one think parents should be more involved in the decisions that effect their children's safety.
Parents work hard and long hours to put bread on the table and a roof over the family's head, and it's so easy to leave the care of our children to others. Who has the time! But let's remember what the constitutional amendments really mean. They do not GIVE any "rights", we are BORN with rights. The constitution enumerates many of your 'natural rights' and bars any government and their agents from usurping those natural rights. So, enjoy all your rights and be glad for the second amendment, for it guarantees ALL the others. Get out there and rediscover your natural rights; use the first amendment to protect your right to educate the educators and do what you believe is in the best interest of your children. No one can stop you from giving your earnest opinion on any matter important to you and your loved ones. And if you think owning a firearm is important, or asking school officials to employ them as part of their safety scheme is important, make that happen. After all, your local government is given power by YOU and is accountable TO you. You and your neighbors are in charge, so let them know what you think. And if enough of you want something done, get it done. If door locks are good enough for your kid, so be it. If nothing is too good to protect your child, do THE best you can to protect them from those "improbable and unlikely events".
When the choice is between forcing the rest of society to pay your medical bills or be responsible for yourself, the issue is *not* the purchase of a product. It's personal responsibility. I thought you rightwingers believed in that.

Common Core is a set of voluntary standards developed by educators so that children in all districts in every state receive the same quality of education. That's simple accountability and competence for the schools. I thought you righwingers believed in that.
Sam

London, KY

#54 Sep 11, 2014
They'll get a Young one KILLED!!!. This teacher that accidentally shot Herself in the bathroom they say She's only Human and allowed to make mistakes, is She allowed to make a mistake and get a young one killed!!!
sigh

Laurinburg, NC

#55 Sep 15, 2014
Get Out wrote:
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It’s not the teacher’s role or the children’s role to have to hide and hope an active shooter doesn’t find them either. Please take note that kids were planning to attack their schools and they admitted they wanted to take out the armed resource officer first. Imagine their surprise when a teacher is able to produce a weapon for defense of the entire student body and school staff. It’s a low tech solution for now.
the only thing can imagine right now is some kid finding there teachers loaded glock in his/her desk.

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#56 Sep 15, 2014
sigh wrote:
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the only thing can imagine right now is some kid finding there teachers loaded glock in his/her desk.
Your unfamiliarity with firearms is showing. Permitted concealed weapons carriers CARRY their firearms on their person except when they are in their own homes. It is made habit by all. And it would SURELY be a requirement of all VETTED staff. Holsters can be fairly comfortable to wear for a day's shift and no intelligent carrier would remove their firearm for any reason with two exceptions: an emergency and perhaps a bathroom visit under some circumstances. I can not invasion ANY teacher leaving a loaded gun in a desk drawer under any circumstances. it is estimated six million Americans carry a firearm daily. The handful of accidents per year of these folks is a testament to the good character, care and intelligence of those six million.
Compare this safety record to the number of licensed drivers and the ratio of motor vehicle accidents and anyone can see CCW is gold-plated safe. I'd rather be in the company of a hundred strangers who CCW than a rider in a car with one stranger driving.

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#57 Sep 15, 2014
LOL, meant to say "envision"...damn spell checker. Happens in the best of families.

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#58 Sep 20, 2014
Absolutely wrote:
<quoted text>I can. Which is how I know what I'm saying is true.
Caught in another lie as polls show you are wrong

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#59 Sep 20, 2014
sigh wrote:
<quoted text>the only thing can imagine right now is some kid finding there teachers loaded glock in his/her desk.
Far more chance they find drugs....

But that is ok with liberals...
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#60 Sep 21, 2014
sigh wrote:
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the only thing can imagine right now is some kid finding there teachers loaded glock in his/her desk.
I would hope a school that has allowed teachers and staff to carry concealed has addressed the issue of what concealed carry means and for student safety. You would hope guidelines would have been set that the weapon must be concealed and carried at all times and never stored in a desk. You would also hope that some advanced training is offered to teacher and staff that choose to carry.
Another hard to imagine scenario is an active shooter enters the school and no one is armed to immediately respond to the threat.

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