Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20003 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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You posted I had no first hand evidence so I posted my evidence again as it is first hand evidence your deceit did not go unnoticed.
With regards to David Answered above again you have removed a verse out of context and fail to consider the verses before and after.
If you conquered a nation in War and the spoils were that nations slaves does that mean God condones slavery.
Because David was righteous before God does that mean Murder is OK as David committed 1st degree murder.
YOUR logic is absurd to say the least.
David was righteous before God not of himself but because he knew his Savior, you really need to read the Bible on your own and stop regurgitating LDS propaganda.
You're really quite full of yourself. God condoned polygamy. God allowed prophets and leaders to have polygamous marriages and NEVER EVER said an ill word about it. That means that in some instances that served God's purposes, he allowed polygamous marriages to take place. Hate that Bible fact all you want but it remains a Bible fact.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20004 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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And you're the master of being a full blown idiot who will swallow any stupid doctrine of the LDS church, no matter how absurd. Truth has never met your lips.
lolol....that comes from a guy that swallowed what he testified was God's truth for 30 years. Testified it to other people, testified it to himself in prayer for 30 years. For 30 years you claimed to know God's truth.
Now you claim to know God's truth a second time? You claim what you said for 30 years was a lie? Now you want people to believe you're not deceived and not lying a second time? You're a fricking lost soul and truth has never touched you lips and if it did, you didn't recognize it.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20005 Feb 10, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
You should just make a 'sticky key' to
help fine tune your
'copy paste ninja skills'- just call it your 'anti-key'
so you can speak out against the worship of Christ, in any way/shape/form you see fit to condemn.
*****
No Surprise is not LDS... he states that over and over again.
I see your anti-key is hard at work proving
The CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints isn't a
Church of Jesus Christ at all because of:
No Surprise,
and Joseph Smith,
and Moses,
and Abraham,
... and Jesus Christ.
*****
Your accusations of the LDS Church "not" being Christians
lays on the foundation of your
anti-Abrahamic/Isrealite/Mosai c based OPINIONS...
not fact based.
Your credibility is non-existent.
You have anti Biblical history agenda.
Multiple
agenda.
Nothing you've posted has proven him wrong. It just proves you don't like it.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20006 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
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Where to begin is admitting you lied, through your teeth,
and now you're trying to explain away existence of history since Abraham of God not only endorsing,
but commanding polygamous heterosexuality for
thousand
upon
thousand
of years.
You're an ignorant huckster so swiftly checked on, even Google proves you're a systematic denier of Jewish heritage, history and history of worship.
Your changing the subject that it being so easy to check your pathology is surprising to you just locks you in.
Nowhere, absolutely nowhere, does the bible say that God commanded Abraham to take a second wife. Feel free to prove me wrong with something like a bible verse, and not those fictional scriptures you follow.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20007 Feb 10, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
Egypt,
Maybe you can share your anti-key instructions with
Mrs Dane Roberts...
just "YOU TUBE" it,
or you can instruct him on "WIKI-Pedia".
Oh, wait... he already has copy paste ninja skills
an anti-key,
and false agenda of his own.
And they have proven you wrong on every occasion. Whining like a little child isn't going to save Mormonism lady.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20008 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
Satan is the father of lies, and as your leader, he drives you to obsessive-compulsive lying, and changing of the subject, Egypt.
People who everyone agrees is possessed by Satan, such as serial molesters, murderers, rapists,-
An almost perfect description of Joseph Smith. I guess you think it is OK when he says he did it in the name of the Lord.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20009 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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The only real truth you have established is that you're good at pasting.
Next. There is no evidence, no solid evidence that Smith had sex with a single wife. We know what people claimed AFTER Smith was dead. And usually a decade or more after his death.
You or I or anyone else can have all the opinions we want of this topic. The fact remains there is no solid evidence to prove Smith consummated a single 'pretend' marriage.
In will not rely on rumours and hearsay as being facts as you do it. If you're going that route, you might as well believe the rumour Hitler was a Jew and that's why he hated them. You might as well believe the rumour that Bush planned and commanded 9/11. Rumours are called that for a specific reason. Because they are statements that haven't been proved as true with undisputed evidence. A child would be undisputed evidence. A dead or living child would be evidence. A trial against Smith for the charge of bigamy where it was shown he committed bigamy by evidence like living children, living with each wife individually in a home he established with her, things like that would prove Smith had sexual relations and had committed bigamy.
But none of that exists. And until something comes forth to prove beyond a doubt Smith had consummated all 30+'pretend' marriages, only rumours exist. Understand?
And of this marriage thing, it's a straw man argument for anyone that uses it. It matters not what any one claims or who believes those marriages were true and real.
The marriages were all false. They were pretend. So Smith by the legal definition of marriage in the US didn't marry any man's wife. I know that doesn't sit well with you but it's a fact. Smith legally married one wife. Only one. And that is the only legal wife and his only wife of all his wives that he had many, many children with.
Tough for you to prove Smith was sexing 30+ wives in a 3 year period for probably hundreds of times and never sired a single known child. Yet he and Emma would have sex and she'd become pregnate within the year.
So feed me some more of your straw man argument of how a man was having sex with 30+ women in a three year period for hundreds of times and not a single birth can be proven. Waiting ...:)
Yes there is lots of first hand evidence he did it has been posted and given to you in detail with 3 pages of footnotes that you can verify you saying there is none does not make it so.

The evidence I have provided shows that I am not posting my opinion or hear say it has confirmed my assertions are fact.

YOU can keep up your grade school tactics but for those following this thread you have now become my best exhibit to show LDS are not Christians as you can not articulate one assertion you have made.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20010 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
Like the father of all those other sociopathological, liars, Egypt.
The god of the lover of the dark. The god of the lover of the lie.
He told you to despise God's way. He told you that you don't have to honor past prophets' relationship to God because you have one, yourself: a personal one.
But you don't have a personal relationship with God as long as you remain a sociopath:
a glib, lying fanatical misleader of humanity,
with artificial zeal for
telling lies in the name of the Lord.
"Lying for the Lord" is another long held tradition of the LDS church:
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord
Apparently, Mormons are great lovers of a good lie.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20011 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
I suppose Egypt is saying that since there's no being sure from just his opinion whether he's a practicing Christian, there need to be historically accurate evidence from the Abrahamic religious way.
He needs to check whether his religion has 12 Apostles as Jesus' Church;
If he has Peter, Mark, Paul, John, etc, he does.
He needs to check for baptism in immersive fashion as outlined in religious historical documentation of Jewish Temple bathing rites, and Christianic rites of identical submersions as baths, washing away sin;
Jewish bathing rituals have nothing to do with water baptism. Baptism by immersion was never commanded as th only way it was to be done. Prove me wrong if you can.
He needs to check for laying on hands for a gift of edification called the "gift of the holy ghost."
The gift of the Holy Spirit can come to a person also just by hearing the word of God. The day of Pentecost is scriptural proof of that, as is Paul's conversion. Why are you trying to limit God?
He needs to check whether his church assigns and sets aside all men in devisions of priesthoods such that all are priests, but not all are qualified to assign the laying on of hands,
For one, if you are the church Christ created, there is only one High Priest, that is Jesus Christ. You should actually read what Hebrews says on the matter and learn your church has screwed it all up. For another, a Teacher isn't a priesthood, it's a position. For another, Elders are not 18 yr old boys who can barely wipe their noses, hence the use of the word "Elder". The mormon church really needs to get a dictionary. Deacons aren't suppose to be 12 yrs old either, and it isn't a priesthood, it is a position of authority in the church.
He needs to check for miraculous visitations from Angelic beings resembling men, who identify with the characters of history so well those biblical characters speak with them,'as one man speaketh with another'
After Joseph Smith, what record do you have of any of your leaders getting "Angelic visitations"? What evidence do we have besides Smiths word that he didn't make it up? I'll be glad to show you evidence that his "visitations" were fiction.
He needs to check that his own church has groups of seventy at a time set apart to spread the gospel of the Church of Jesus Christ,
That isn't a job just for the Seventies. That is a job for every believer of Jesus Christ.
He needs to check that the priesthood can not be attained through donations of money
Like the General Authorities of the LDS church do?
He needs to check that the persons involved claim of themselves as personal individuals, visiations from angels, God Himself, and having also visions of how things are going to be in the future, often referred to as 'dreams'.
And we need to check to make sure those same persons are not the false prophets Jesus warned us of in the Bible. Anyone can make claims, the burden of proof lays with the one making the claims.

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20012 Feb 10, 2013
He needs to check to be sure the organization is divinely appointed with heavenly beings doing all primary instruction before momentous events;
So do you. Again, you can claim anything.
He needs to check to be sure the beings claimed to be seen, testify of repentence, and of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God of Israel; and that said beings appear to be able to quote, verbatim, scripture: identically in model to those of the Abrahamic religion's documentation.
That would be just about every Christian denomination today, nothing that the LDS church can claim as exclusive. Not even close. The Mormon churches problem is that it denies the teachings of the Bible, adding doctrine to tickle the ears of men, denying the grace of Jesus Christ in favor of a salvation based upon your on righteousness, and not that of our Lords.
When he has those
he can be sort of like the Mormons
who have those. And more.
You're smoking crack, now. You are delusional.
He needs to check whether his organization has a culture of gathering by priests of one tenth for distribution to those in need.
Even though Paul taught that it was to come out of our abundance instead?
He needs to check for whether the culture surrounding the organization he joins seem to have an unusually high number of regional and area-wide champions, as though the culture creates a large amount of personal self-development: where being successful is the norm in activities demanding a lot of perserverence.
And he needs to check whether the culture has a high level of suicides, like Utah does. It is in the top 10% of the nation. You have been successful in that area.
He needs to check for an overall high amount of cultural sensitivity to the concepts of governance; crime among the indoctrinated being the exception rather than rule,
with the culture members being very frequently sought out as cultural secular leaders due to a capacity to work within governments.
That's why the LDS church had to move to Utah, it had such a "high amount of cultural sensitivity to the concepts of governance"
The culture should have a high rate of literacy and stress systematically and statistically methodological ability to check for coherence in written & spoken language.
Like Joseph Smith did with his 5th grade edumacation, Jethro.
The culture of his church should be one that STRESSES CONTINUAL REVERENCE FOR even JESUS CHRIST, the SAVIOR of THEM who REPENT of THEIR SINs. The culture of his church should teach of a Godhead which uses classical leadership and political hierarchy organizational schematics & terminologies regularly,
Well, if a church that claimed to be a church of Jesus Christ didn't have "reverence", what kind of church would it be? If this isn't the most ignorant of claims I've ever read. Just how stupid do you think people are?
His church should be an organization that has many converts from many different walks of life, from many different languages, lands, tribes, peoples.
His church should have a REFERENCE SYSTEM REGARDING MALE and FEMALE SEXUALITY as LITERAL and UTTERLY INTRINSIC to the BEINGS whom they claim to worship: such that a God CAN impregnate a woman: and that the CHILD be FULLY sexually functional in every way: and never
ever
refer to sexuality or human reproductive evolution in ANY but CLASSICAL sexual TERMS,
OVERLAPPING the GOD they WORSHIP and the FAMILY of MAN WORSHIPPING them.
No sneak tricks about how God's a deceiving liar because he didn't catch VD like the monogamists.
Then there are actually quite a few more things he can check and if he's got all that down for sure,
as we Mormons have in ours,
MAYBE.
So, you want the good old days of polygamy to come back? Where did you copy this trash? And you dare criticize Egyptian for copying and pasting?
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20013 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You're really quite full of yourself. God condoned polygamy. God allowed prophets and leaders to have polygamous marriages and NEVER EVER said an ill word about it. That means that in some instances that served God's purposes, he allowed polygamous marriages to take place. Hate that Bible fact all you want but it remains a Bible fact.
NOT an ill well you would be as useless at poker as you are posting here

Dt 17:16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the LORD has told you,“You are not to go back that way again.”
Dt 17:17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Dt 17:18 When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the priests, who are Levites.
Dt 17:19 It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the LORD his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees
Dt 17:20 and not consider himself better than his brothers and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel.

Dt 17:17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. did you get that pretty sure this qualifies as ill words.

Despite his world–renowned wisdom, Solomon’s peaceful and prosperous rule ended in idolatrous scandal and civil strife, for “his wives turned his heart after other gods”(1 Kings 11:4).

MATTHEW 19:4–6
“Haven’t you read,” he replied,“that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said,‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?’ So they are no longer two, but one.”

BTW when I copy and paste the Bible is that bad too??? LOL

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20014 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
"Lying for the Lord" is another long held tradition of the LDS church:
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord
Apparently, Mormons are great lovers of a good lie.
Wiki is not a valid source for proven factual evidence... as anyone can edit and add anything they want to the data.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20015 Feb 10, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wiki is not a valid source for proven factual evidence... as anyone can edit and add anything they want to the data.
Wiki can not be edited by just anybody as you say.

It is now considered even by Encyclopedia Britannica to be more accurate then there very own Encyclopedia and they have stopped printing theirs.

It is no considered by major Universities to be a legitimate source and now is better footnoted and documented than any other Encyclopedia in History.

you should google that one. or bing it or Yahoo it take your pick
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20016 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
So do you. Again, you can claim anything.
<quoted text>
That would be just about every Christian denomination today, nothing that the LDS church can claim as exclusive. Not even close. The Mormon churches problem is that it denies the teachings of the Bible, adding doctrine to tickle the ears of men, denying the grace of Jesus Christ in favor of a salvation based upon your on righteousness, and not that of our Lords.
<quoted text>
You're smoking crack, now. You are delusional.
<quoted text>
Even though Paul taught that it was to come out of our abundance instead?
<quoted text>
And he needs to check whether the culture has a high level of suicides, like Utah does. It is in the top 10% of the nation. You have been successful in that area.
<quoted text>
That's why the LDS church had to move to Utah, it had such a "high amount of cultural sensitivity to the concepts of governance"
<quoted text>
Like Joseph Smith did with his 5th grade edumacation, Jethro.
<quoted text>
Well, if a church that claimed to be a church of Jesus Christ didn't have "reverence", what kind of church would it be? If this isn't the most ignorant of claims I've ever read. Just how stupid do you think people are?
<quoted text>
So, you want the good old days of polygamy to come back? Where did you copy this trash? And you dare criticize Egyptian for copying and pasting?
These last two posts very good appreciated.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20017 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing

Check out the above link regarding help editing pages in wiki:

"Wikipedia is a wiki, meaning that anyone can edit any unprotected page and improve articles immediately for all readers. You do not need to register to do this. Anyone who has edited is known as a "Wikipedian" and, no matter how trivial the edit may seem, can be proud that he or she has helped make Wikipedia what it is. All of these edits add up!

However, some pages are protected from editing. These pages have a View source tab instead of an Edit tab. You can still edit these pages indirectly, by submitting an "edit request" – an editor with the ability to edit the protected page will respond to your request. You can submit a request by clicking on the View source tab on that page and using the "Submit an edit request" link at the bottom right."

******

Ninja anti-key at work... simple minded BS opinions are not credible wacko!

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20018 Feb 11, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
No Surprise is far more credible than you.

At least he knows what he is talking about through research... not just listening to other anti-key ninja skill copy paste artists.

You - and people like you - are the ones with no credibility, no research, no evidence... just simple minded knee jerk anti-key agenda.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#20019 Feb 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The odds are no greater that a gay couple will molest a child than a straight couple. If you are anti-abortion, pro-life, you have to be willing to let the children who were not aborted have a chance at having a family.
Actually, it's double the odds since there are two men in the home.

I'm not against gay men adopting boys, but I still say it's crazy for two men to parent little girls for many reasons.

I don't make a big deal of gays adopting kids in general because our society is falling apart and good homes are better than institutions and foster care. Also, molestation is a huge problem, which the American people want to ignore, like telling their young people to join the military and self-destruct, etc.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Live Oak, CA

#20020 Feb 11, 2013
I knew a lot of anti Mormons weren't well educated

in Abrahamic literary tradition,

it's hard to fathom

people study several thousand years of patriarchal, Mosaic and Christian law,

then come onto public forums and feign disavowal of polygamy.

Several thousand years, not ending till 1,000, of Jewish polygamy alone.

Instead, they lie: and claim NOTHING of the sort ever happened, and insist ANYTHING studied,

except what comes from their disjointed,

handed down book of fragments,

is legitimate Abrahamic/Judaic doctrinal study.

Seeing it for myself it's more like pathological lying.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#20021 Feb 11, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what most people want is for the LDS church to take responsibility for what happened. Mormons still make excuses today blaming everything and everybody but the church. The LDS church is responsible for what happen because of what the leaders were preaching at the time. If you don't know much about the Mormon reformation of the 1850's, you should look into it.
The Catholic church has offered apologies for the Spanish inquisition, and the Southern Baptist church has offered apologies for their racists teachings in the beginning, supporting slavery. But the Mormon church won't take responsibility for anything.
They can't -- if they started exposing lies, the entire satanic religion would crumble. Once the idiot masses start questioning what they're told, they'd figure it out.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have left the Catholic Church for the same reason. They keep changing their god, which leads people to question that whole false religion.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Live Oak, CA

#20022 Feb 11, 2013
"...and insist * that not *

ANYTHING studied,"

above

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