Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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sportxmouse

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#29180 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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Apparently it seems that way. How altruistic of you all.
Ayn Rand

sportxmouse

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#29181 Nov 11, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Well kiddo, you've been tried and convicted by a group of your ex-peers. As punishment you need to go to all those folks at your high school that you handed out The Book of Mormon to, and apologize. Also, from here on out you are at risk of being stalked by No Surprise. But, you will still be better off.
Nobody punished him.

Holding someone accountable to the standards "they agree to abide by is not punishing them". It's making them accountable.

sportxmouse

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#29182 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
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Telling me to man-up and pull a tampon out is deeply misogynistic and shows your low opinion of women here.
Also, there's nothing wrong with being deeply critical of a system that has harmed me and continues to harm so many of my peers.
If a teacher lets a kid steal someone's lunch is that wrong?

sportxmouse

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#29183 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
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I'm the one who attends. I'm not over-exaggerating when I say thousands.Think of how many people are forced to attend church under penalty of getting kicked out of school and housing, even if you no longer believe or want to take a break for a moment. Think of how many people are forced to hide the newly found habit of drinking.(Or the old habit of drinking. I know people here who came to BYU as drinkers and non-believers because, well, their family said they'd be disowned if they didn't attend). Think of all the people who hide their newly found sexual activity. Think of all the people who hide their porn and their gay relationships and their doubts just so they can continue to attend. Many of these people WANT to be there, want to finish there, even if they can get screwed over with one phone call for being who they are, even if they have to hide or lie or whatever it is just so they can stay.
When I say thousands, it's not an overexageration.
I live for activism. You can call me weak or whatever, but activism is what I live for. And yes, systems can change. It takes time. It takes masses. It takes publicity. But systems can change, and common people can help influence that change.
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If people go to a University or Community College and get a music scholarship they are held to the stipulations or they don't get paid.

If they quit because they can't stand music and don't get the scholarship (perks for playing music) and they have to quit school, loose their housing, and job because of it... it's not the schools fault.

sportxmouse

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#29184 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
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I think I could've worded myself better earlier. I knew that it was against the rules to leave the LDS Church when I left the LDS Church. I didn't know it was against the rules when I applied for BYU. And honestly, if you asked students here at BYU, I bet you the majority are unaware that such a rule even exists.
Also, you're right. That was a slip when I say I attend and not that I attended, which is what I meant to say. I still am hanging out with people who go to BYU since I still live in Provo. But I will stand by my assertion that there are thousands of people who struggle with the over-controlling ways of the honor code. I hang out in atheist and gay circles that are pretty large here at BYU and have found many people who feel they have to hide who they are to continue attending. I've also recently joined different partying circles that are very large and contain mostly current BYU students who drink and smoke weed and participate in all manner of honor code breaking. And just how many college students do you think are having sex at BYU? Just a handful?
It might seem like an overexageration when I say thousands live in fear of the honor code, thousands are hiding, thousands feel manipulated and abused by the honor code, but I'm willing to bet a good sum of money that thousands is not an overexageration.
Although to be honest, even if it was just one person who got screwed over by the system, it would make the system worth changing in my opinion. And how do you change systems? By shining a light at their flaws. By sharing how one feels person by person, rally by rally, media campaign by media campaign.
The honor code did not and does not abuse anybody...
it holds them accountable.

sportxmouse

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#29185 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
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Never live a lie is good advice. But I think it's equally wrong to make somebody live a lie. Which is what I feel BYU is doing to so many people.
Nobody made you live a lie. You could have attended a different college. What it comes down to is you chose to stay there and lie to benefit from the perks... that is called stealing.

You could have moved on to a different school that made you happy. You chose not to. Now you in this situation.

sportxmouse

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#29186 Nov 11, 2013
School is supposed to teach responsibility, endurance, and accountability. School is not easy if it were everyone would do it. It's expensive, takes a lot of time and effort.

The University I went to had policies... I had to follow them or I would have gotten kicked out.

I think the part you are not getting is that you are blaming the Church for you not doing right. When you realized the Church would not sit by idoly and allow you to get the perks til the end of them semester you quit.

Now you are saying they did this to me. You have to take ownership in what you did or people are just going to see you as a cry baby.

sportxmouse

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#29187 Nov 11, 2013
the not them above

sportxmouse

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#29188 Nov 11, 2013
Let me clarify this

When I say the Church would not sit by idoly and allow you to get the perks til the end of them semester you quit.

The Church authorities have a responsibility to hold members accountable for their actions if they do wrong. Lying for the perks was wrong. I think you admitted that.

They did not cause you to loose the perks, your job, or housing. You could have repented... your SP has a job to do. It's not his fault you lied. It's also not his job to let you get away with stealing.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#29189 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
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Never live a lie is good advice. But I think it's equally wrong to make somebody live a lie. Which is what I feel BYU is doing to so many people.
The LDS church has more than once made changes when public opinion has come to bear on them. So yes, tell your story, make people aware, it has worked before, and will do so again.

Since: Sep 12

Reeds Spring, MO

#29190 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
I'm so ronery, so ronery
So ronery and sadry arone
There's no one, just me onry
Sitting on my rittle throne
I work very hard
And make up great prans
But nobody listens no one understands
Seems like no one takes me seriousry
And so, I'm ronery
A bittle ronery
Poor rittle me
There's nobody I can rerate to
Feel rike a bird in a cage
It's kinda sirry but not rearry
Because it's firring my body with rage
I'm the smartest most crever most physically fit
But nobody else seems to rearize it
When I change the world maybe they'll notice me
And until then I'll just be ronery
Yeah a rittle ronery
Poor rittle me
I'm so ronery
Read on the the internet today that the fat little bastard with the extensive liquor and western DVD collection had 8 people publicly executed for watching smuggled South Korean TV dramas.
http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-publicly-ex...

“Good day to you!”

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Earth

#29191 Nov 11, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Pay attention Surprise, you said "Atheist will be rejected", he said "that's not true." Understand?
Pay attention Pearl. Go read the context of the conversation. I made reference to the ADMITTANCE PROCESS, not what takes place AFTER BEING A STUDENT. Penfold's statement was concerning what changes students had made to beliefs AFTER BEING A STUDENT. Understand? Hmmmm?

“Good day to you!”

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Earth

#29192 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't share my story for myself. I share my story because there are thousands like me over there at BYU. Thousands who are being manipulated, controlled, and screwed over by a messed-up system.
I share my story hoping that if enough people start to sympathize with me, things will change.
I'm an activist. Bringing attention to unjust systems is what I do.
Are being manipulated? You mean thousands that enroll in a severe right conservative school based on strict theistic rules and laws, you mean thousands applying to go to such a school system are subjecting themselves of their own free will to such a situation. Now you blame them, the system for your stupidity? You blame the system for biting your *ss because you openly broke rules you thought you should have a right to break? Your not an activist, you're another dana in the making! lolol........

“Good day to you!”

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#29194 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I could've worded myself better earlier. I knew that it was against the rules to leave the LDS Church when I left the LDS Church. I didn't know it was against the rules when I applied for BYU. And honestly, if you asked students here at BYU, I bet you the majority are unaware that such a rule even exists.
You knew it was against the rules to leave the LDS church when you left the LDS church BUT, but you didn't know it was against the rules when you applied for BYU? Really? You mean you didn't read the honor code the application for BYU stated you had to read and agree to that you read it and accepted it's qualifications expected of you as a student?
So you are/have admitted that you didn't read the honor code during the application process. And you state the majority of Mormons are unaware of such a rule, that if they renounce their church membership as a BYU student they get the boot?
Well this is easy. If you don't read a contract you're agreeing to abide by, you're either mentally challenged or really pathetically ignorant and stupid if you're not mentally challenged and accept to abide by a contract you're to lazy to read.

Below is part three of the application process you claim you and the majority of BYU students are to pathetically ignorant and stupid to read over.

http://saas.byu.edu/tools/b4byu/sites/b4/...
Part 3

This part, also known as the ecclesiastical endorsement, is required of all student applicant types. Applicants will first be required to read through and agree to abide by the Honor Code and Dress & Grooming Standards (also outlined here). Once this step has been completed, LDS applicants will need to meet with the bishop and a member of the stake presidency from the ward/stake in which their records are located. Non-LDS applicants will only be required to meet with one of the following: an LDS bishop, branch president, or mission president (to locate these ecclesiastical leaders, enter your address into the meetinghouse locator tool).

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#29195 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
Although to be honest, even if it was just one person who got screwed over by the system, it would make the system worth changing in my opinion. And how do you change systems? By shining a light at their flaws. By sharing how one feels person by person, rally by rally, media campaign by media campaign.
Shining a light at their flaws? So changing the system of rules that you openly broke and broke unknowingly because you didn't read all parts of the contract you agreed to abide in, changing those rules would be better?
Which rules of the system? To be honest? To refrain from sex? To refrain from drinking? To refrain from drugs? To refrain from breaking state and federal laws? Which of those rules do you pick and choose from to obey or disobey while being a student at a Mormon founded/ran university?
I mean maybe I'm not understanding this according to your information. I thought in all I read this was a school founded by a religion that encourages people of that religion to go there that want to go there while being active members of that religion. That this religion thinks active people of their religion that don't drink, don't do drugs, don't act as whores to their sexuality and like to go to church will choose to go to this school.
But it's your stance that this religion should just become as most all other schools dealing with law/rule breakers, sex and parties and anti-church behavior and alcohol and drug usage?
I think you have some severe misunderstandings about the school you went to and it gives reason why you dou don't understand why you got kicked out. I would suggest you go back and read the application process and see where you *ucked up and quit blaming a 'system' for your pathetic ignorant inability to understand a contract you signed and agreed to follow. Grow a pair and be responsible for your behavior and quit finding a scapegoat to blame your thinking/actions for. Just saying :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

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#29196 Nov 11, 2013
Curtis Penfold wrote:
<quoted text>
Never live a lie is good advice. But I think it's equally wrong to make somebody live a lie. Which is what I feel BYU is doing to so many people.
BYU is a thing. A non-living being. BYU does nothing to people. And it certainly makes no one lie.
Let's go over this once for you since you don't comprehend it. BYU was originally set up to accept active Mormons as students who were already living an honor code that went with being a Mormon. The honor code at BYU was to reflect an honor code active Mormons already took pride in being. BYU was set up to accept Mormons that liked going to church, liked being honest and liked obeying laws and rules and didn't like drinking, drugs, engaging in premarital sex etc. BYU wasn't set up to accept Mormons who weren't active or liked premarital sex and or drugs and or alcohol and or were lawbreakers and or were dishonest and or didn't like going to church. Do you understand that difference you at present seem to have really confused?

Since: Oct 08

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#29197 Nov 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>BYU is a thing. A non-living being. BYU does nothing to people. And it certainly makes no one lie.
Let's go over this once for you since you don't comprehend it. BYU was originally set up to accept active Mormons as students who were already living an honor code that went with being a Mormon. The honor code at BYU was to reflect an honor code active Mormons already took pride in being. BYU was set up to accept Mormons that liked going to church, liked being honest and liked obeying laws and rules and didn't like drinking, drugs, engaging in premarital sex etc. BYU wasn't set up to accept Mormons who weren't active or liked premarital sex and or drugs and or alcohol and or were lawbreakers and or were dishonest and or didn't like going to church. Do you understand that difference you at present seem to have really confused?
How weird..you are defending an LDS university that discriminates against Mormons. I could enroll there tomorrow as an athiest..he can't attend as one.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29198 Nov 11, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>How weird..you are defending an LDS university that discriminates against Mormons. I could enroll there tomorrow as an athiest..he can't attend as one.
I want to respond to you so badly, that I'm practically sitting on my hands. The reason I'm not is the point you're trying to make has already been covered several times. It's obvious you're ignoring, or acting like you're not aware that it's been addressed just so you can keep stirring it up. Because you certainly can't be that f'ng stupid. But maybe you are...

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#29199 Nov 11, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>I want to respond to you so badly, that I'm practically sitting on my hands. The reason I'm not is the point you're trying to make has already been covered several times. It's obvious you're ignoring, or acting like you're not aware that it's been addressed just so you can keep stirring it up. Because you certainly can't be that f'ng stupid. But maybe you are...
Only Mormons can't convert. That's the issue you oddly don't seem to have a problem with.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#29200 Nov 11, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>Only Mormons can't convert. That's the issue you oddly don't seem to have a problem with.
You really are that stupid. Pitiful.

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