Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Oct 12, 2011 Full story: CNN 32,004

Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah is an award-winning comedian who has appeared on TV shows such as Comedy Central's "Axis of Evil" special, ABC's "The View," CNN's "What the Week" and HLN's "The Joy Behar Show." He is executive producer of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival and the Amman Stand Up Comedy Festival.

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Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#26907 Jul 7, 2013
The Government cannot, and will never, be able to "force" people to think and believe a certain way. Governments have tried throughout history and continue to try to this day with zero success. People may "act" like they believe and think a certain way when forced, but they don't. People are inherently free within their minds, and many will go to their death for what they believe and think. And that is why our founding fathers instituted a separation between Church and State. Because people will die for what they believe. Wars have been waged for it over and over again. This victory that is now being claimed will not change what religious people believe and think. If anything, it will further cement their mentality no matter how abhorrent it may be viewed.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26908 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
IMHO, I don't believe the Federal Government can "force" a Church to marry gay individuals, or anyone for that matter. That's not to say they won't try, and there will be a long drawn out legal action as a result. However, our Constitution currently upholds a separation of Church and State. Gay individuals have the right to be married within the constraints of the law, and will now receive the same rights as a "traditional" couple. However, a Church can deny marrying someone, anyone, if they so choose. For example, if I were not LDS and wanted to be married in the SLC Temple, they would not allow me as I would have to be a member and hold a current Temple recommend to do so.
Now, you might say, "what if you are a gay member?" Well, if you were openly gay and had a gay partner wishing to be married and sealed in the Temple, that would not happen either because the Church would not give you a Temple recommend, and the Government cannot force the Church to do so. The Government has no bearing or say whether an individual is deemed worthy of receiving a Temple recommend. That's not to say gays have not married in the temple because they have. The difference is they were married to persons of the opposite sex.
The government only had to force the LDS church to change one time, over polygamy. When it came to blacks holding the priesthood, public pressure made the difference. It was effecting baptisms and growth. I see the same thing happening today. During the Prop 8 campaign, Members, combined with the LDS church raised over 20 million in support, over half the funds used, to get it passed. It has come back it bite them. That is why all of a sudden you see the LDS church changing it's tone in the last few years. I fully believe when the lost becomes big enough, you will hear of another "revelation" allowing homosexuals to be married and keep their memberships and their temple recommends. The leaders of the church where corporate leaders first and have learned to think of the bottom line as the most important indicator. Growth is paramount above all else.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26909 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
The Government cannot, and will never, be able to "force" people to think and believe a certain way. Governments have tried throughout history and continue to try to this day with zero success. People may "act" like they believe and think a certain way when forced, but they don't. People are inherently free within their minds, and many will go to their death for what they believe and think. And that is why our founding fathers instituted a separation between Church and State. Because people will die for what they believe. Wars have been waged for it over and over again. This victory that is now being claimed will not change what religious people believe and think. If anything, it will further cement their mentality no matter how abhorrent it may be viewed.
True, but today's generation is rejecting that thinking and some day will be the ones in charge. The people stuck in the rut today will die out, and be replaced.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26910 Jul 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
A sexual deviant/mentally depraved mind will envision children in sexually diviant/mentally depraved thought and then express them as you and Dana have done, ask a shrink if you doubt me. A normal mind doesn't see children and envision them as sex slaves as you and Dana have done. Somemore of that mentally sick hater stuff you have going on there.
And as stated earlier from having did research on the web, you're sick demented Mormon hater attitude allows you to state a lie that only straight kids get help in Utah. You really have to have a trully sick, creepy, demented train of thinking to even imagine such a thought as being true, but you prove you are that and then some again,.
Studying Islam as I do, I'm only telling how they think:

Two Child Brides Interviewed Who Are Seeking Divorce
&li st=PL626C6B9B42DE071C

Child Bride in Islam - Following the Lifestyle of Muhammad
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Islamic Treatment for Women: Child Marriage, girls are married to fix debt
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Is children marriage allowed in Islam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Video: Sharia Expert Defends Child Marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

What's wrong No Surprise, need attention? You're still an idiot, why should I waste my time with you? You're becoming more and more like Carol with every post.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#26911 Jul 7, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>True, but today's generation is rejecting that thinking and some day will be the ones in charge. The people stuck in the rut today will die out, and be replaced.
Let me ask... do you feel it is a "rut" to think and believe for yourself? I don't believe that you are, or would be, the type of person who feels the Government should think for you, or force you to think a certain way. That has been tried since the beginning of time and has never worked. Look at any dictatorship, and communist country that has existed, or exists. It doesn't work. When a Government starts to force its people to do and think as they say, people will reject that Government, and fight back. What our current generation is not understanding is they are giving away their freedom to think and believe for themselves and allowing the Government to do that for them. Bit by bit. Instead of the Government existing and working for the people, the people exist and work for the benefit of the Government.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#26912 Jul 7, 2013
We just celebrated our Country's Independence from tyranny. Our independence and right to Govern and think for ourselves. That is what this current generation is forgetting, or does not know. It's not a holiday about setting off fireworks made in China. It's about our celebrating our freedom, our inherent "right" to be free.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#26913 Jul 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>A sexual deviant/mentally depraved mind will envision children in sexually diviant/mentally depraved thought and then express them as you and Dana have done, ask a shrink if you doubt me. A normal mind doesn't see children and envision them as sex slaves as you and Dana have done. Somemore of that mentally sick hater stuff you have going on there.
And as stated earlier from having did research on the web, you're sick demented Mormon hater attitude allows you to state a lie that only straight kids get help in Utah. You really have to have a trully sick, creepy, demented train of thinking to even imagine such a thought as being true, but you prove you are that and then some again,.
About the only thing you "proved...is that you are very disturbed.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#26914 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
We just celebrated our Country's Independence from tyranny. Our independence and right to Govern and think for ourselves. That is what this current generation is forgetting, or does not know. It's not a holiday about setting off fireworks made in China. It's about our celebrating our freedom, our inherent "right" to be free.
Ditto...

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#26915 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
We just celebrated our Country's Independence from tyranny. Our independence and right to Govern and think for ourselves. That is what this current generation is forgetting, or does not know. It's not a holiday about setting off fireworks made in China. It's about our celebrating our freedom, our inherent "right" to be free.
And those freedoms are for everyone..how free would you feel if you were fired or evicted because of who you loved?

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#26916 Jul 7, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>And those freedoms are for everyone..how free would you feel if you were fired or evicted because of who you loved?
Yes, those freedoms are for everyone. That includes freedom from religious persecution allowing me, you, and others to worship, believe, and think as we wish.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#26917 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, those freedoms are for everyone. That includes freedom from religious persecution allowing me, you, and others to worship, believe, and think as we wish.
And thankfully those rights are intact, while gay people are legally discriminated against.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26918 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me ask... do you feel it is a "rut" to think and believe for yourself?
Being born and raised in a podunk TN city, I was limited to what real world life was like, and still thought I had the answers. Moving to Seattle was one of the best things to ever happen to me. I was exposed to the bigger world and it's people. I say this to show that people can be in a rut by the area you live in, and the exposure you get. You have even admitted this at times when talking about Mormons born and raised in Utah.
I don't believe that you are, or would be, the type of person who feels the Government should think for you, or force you to think a certain way. That has been tried since the beginning of time and has never worked. Look at any dictatorship, and communist country that has existed, or exists. It doesn't work. When a Government starts to force its people to do and think as they say, people will reject that Government, and fight back. What our current generation is not understanding is they are giving away their freedom to think and believe for themselves and allowing the Government to do that for them. Bit by bit. Instead of the Government existing and working for the people, the people exist and work for the benefit of the Government.
You're right, I don't believe in government telling us how to think, though today a real racist who is an employer will pay the price for discriminating against people of color if it can be proven in court. But the Mormon church will be changed by public pressure from within, and without. You're seeing more and more LDS members bucking against the current LDS teachings on homosexuals. Your seeing the leadership of the LDS church bending more and more backwards to try to appease them and the public after the outrage they got over Prop 8. For the first time homosexuals don't have to be afraid of just being homosexual and LDS like they did in the past, when they would just excommunicate you in the past for just being gay and admitting it. But it won't be enough for those who support gay rights. Forced celibacy doesn't work in a system that teaches that to get God's greatest blessing depends in part on a monogamous temple marriage.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26919 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, those freedoms are for everyone. That includes freedom from religious persecution allowing me, you, and others to worship, believe, and think as we wish.
But that right is limited when it comes to imposing those rights on someone else.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26920 Jul 7, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, those freedoms are for everyone. That includes freedom from religious persecution allowing me, you, and others to worship, believe, and think as we wish.
It is religious persecution to deny someone the right to marry who they please. That was one of the biggest fights the Mormons church fought in the 1800's, and lost. Ask a polygamous today if they think the law protects them.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#26921 Jul 7, 2013
And I'm not even talking about the sicko's who marry 12 yr old girls like the FLDS. I'm talking about the ones who marry women of age.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#26922 Jul 8, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
I fully believe when the lost becomes big enough, you will hear of another "revelation" allowing homosexuals to be married and keep their memberships and their temple recommends. The leaders of the church where corporate leaders first and have learned to think of the bottom line as the most important indicator. Growth is paramount above all else.
Blacks (dark skinned people so referred to because of race mixing then) not holding the priesthood in the church could only go one way, to be allowed to hold the priesthood. Like it or hate it, according to the logic of the church doctrine, the time of the curse of those of the lineage of Cain and the grandson of Ham had came to an end of existing of being held back from having the priesthoods.
As to wishing for same sex marriages in this church, never to happen. This church is based on two explicit doctrines: One being modern revelation and the other being the family extending from a male and female in marriage. The central reason for a celestial marriage taught from Smith forward was for a man and woman(s) to marry and obey all the laws and doctrines with faith in Jesus so they could become gods of their own world in the hereafter.
If a same sex couple could biologically have kids as an opposite sex couple, then I am sure they would have been included. But they can't have kids. A same sex couple can't go off somewhere and begin to biologically multiply and have offspring. Never happened and never will happen.
Marriage/unions between a man and woman was instituted by God (according to Genesis which you think is a lie) so that spirits waiting to have a life here on this earth would have a body to occupy. A same sex couple will never ever help a spirit to have a body in this life without the help of the opposite sex.
Wish as you may. It'll never happen dude.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#26923 Jul 8, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Studying Islam as I do, I'm only telling how they think:
Two Child Brides Interviewed Who Are Seeking Divorce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =4GRHD7nmWz0XX&list=PL626C 6B9B42DE071C
Child Bride in Islam - Following the Lifestyle of Muhammad
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Islamic Treatment for Women: Child Marriage, girls are married to fix debt
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Is children marriage allowed in Islam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Video: Sharia Expert Defends Child Marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
What's wrong No Surprise, need attention? You're still an idiot, why should I waste my time with you? You're becoming more and more like Carol with every post.
Need attention? Not from the likes of you dude. Your posts simply amaze me. Like how you can look at a picture with two little girls maybe between eight to ten and you see two sex slaves in an islamic marriage. That's disturbing on many levels. What's more disturbing is you defend having done that.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#26924 Jul 8, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
About the only thing you "proved...is that you are very disturbed.
lolol...right, that comes from the person looking at a picture of two very young smiling girls and envisions them as sex slaves in an illegal marriage? Disturbed has your picture next to it.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#26925 Jul 8, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Blacks (dark skinned people so referred to because of race mixing then) not holding the priesthood in the church could only go one way, to be allowed to hold the priesthood. Like it or hate it, according to the logic of the church doctrine, the time of the curse of those of the lineage of Cain and the grandson of Ham had came to an end of existing of being held back from having the priesthoods.
As to wishing for same sex marriages in this church, never to happen. This church is based on two explicit doctrines: One being modern revelation and the other being the family extending from a male and female in marriage. The central reason for a celestial marriage taught from Smith forward was for a man and woman(s) to marry and obey all the laws and doctrines with faith in Jesus so they could become gods of their own world in the hereafter.
If a same sex couple could biologically have kids as an opposite sex couple, then I am sure they would have been included. But they can't have kids. A same sex couple can't go off somewhere and begin to biologically multiply and have offspring. Never happened and never will happen.
Marriage/unions between a man and woman was instituted by God (according to Genesis which you think is a lie) so that spirits waiting to have a life here on this earth would have a body to occupy. A same sex couple will never ever help a spirit to have a body in this life without the help of the opposite sex.
Wish as you may. It'll never happen dude.
Yep... sorry dude... no surprise is right.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#26926 Jul 8, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
It is religious persecution to deny someone the right to marry who they please. That was one of the biggest fights the Mormons church fought in the 1800's, and lost. Ask a polygamous today if they think the law protects them.
You are reaching to the moon... you are so off the wall.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
is the restored
Church of Jesus Christ
because the Church of Rome tore
The Church of Jesus Christ apart and
that period is known as the Dark Ages.

Your will over God's will... will never happen.

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