Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah is an award-winning comedian who has appeared on TV shows such as Comedy Central's "Axis of Evil" special, ABC's "The View," CNN's "What the Week" and HLN's "The Joy Behar Show." He is executive producer of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival and the Amman Stand Up Comedy Festival.

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“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25930 May 24, 2013
That's because his opinion was one of MANY!

Have you read the Talmud, or others?

You seem to think the OTHERS are not even worth MENTIONING!

Oh a Syrian priest wrote something that said Cain's FACE was blackened by coal. So you run to it like you lost your mind yelling and arguing for months on end!

YET

Many OTHER equally old and older, EQUALLY prominent and more so opinions by Rabbis, Priests and such, they make various OTHER and MORE sensible ideas about the mark...

and you just don't CARE!

Same with the Egyptians. The Egyptians were one of MANY black groups. They enslaved Nubians ALSO! So them enslaving Hebrews has no bearing on this on a racial level.

But then you make a false statement and RUN with it:

"Since at LEAST 2,000 years ago men believed being given dark skin and african features rather than asian ones were a good way to ensure he remained unable to re-admit himself among his tribesmen."

Since at least 2000 years ago? No....

African FEATURES? No...(because there are dark skinned people with VARIOUS features).

MEN believed? No, you forgot to put the word "some" or "a few".

The point is, you try to push the notion this was a widely accepted view 2000 years ago. You try to act like this was the default or common view 2000 years ago.

You know why?

because you want to legitimize the common view among Whites 200 years ago, INCLUDING Mormons!

It's like, if you can convince us that they were believing it 2000 years ago, then it makes the Mormon thing ok!

but that's NOT what was going on 2000 years ago!

And you keep showing references and what not? But they go back substantially LESS than 2000 years ago, and they are ISOLATED postulations that do not refer to his race, only a vague notion about his color (of his face, or his countenance??).

The crap didn't start taking off until Islam got their hands on the Bible. They were on an anti-black racist binge.
StupidLovesScoffing wrote:
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Everybody's "that guy" to you. It's all just "a guy."
That's the problem with the stupid: perspective is non existent.
Your problem is the same problem every black person has :
black people do your thinking for you.
The Egyptians: blacks,
enslaved the children of Israel.
Cain, who wanted to rule over his brother,
was cast out of his brethren's company through instruction from God: historical law coming from Him necessitates people being separated out from the tribe for MANY reasons, crime being one.
Cain, who was afraid because he thought he might be killed, was given a mark. It had to make his life easier somehow.
Since at LEAST 2,000 years ago men believed being given dark skin and african features rather than asian ones were a good way to ensure he remained unable to re-admit himself among his tribesmen.
You know precisely why people believe Cain was given dark skin and african features: so he would fit into the group of people God wanted him to be among.
God knew Africans would have their histories fall to a persistent association with instability: with the earth not yielding up her strength to them when they sowed.
He knew he must make an example of Cain. He knew the upcoming history of the Africans.
Why would he not make Cain disseminate his seed, where troubles and instability would be an international trademark for eons?
And after you manic magpie your way past that, there's still the entire Syriac traditions and, there's the revelations to the Mormons from God.
They aren't Jews who believed Cain was black for 2,000 years.
They aren't Syriac Christians.
They aren't Muslims.
They had a revelation of their own, that said there was going to be a black skin and loathesome appearance attached to some people of a region where,
sure enough.
there were a lot of black people found living who, to this day, dwell in atrocious ghetto countries ruled by violence and pure evil.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25931 May 24, 2013
You're speaking up for the notion that Cain's skin was marked.

You're speaking up for those who "thought" that Cain's skin was marked with black skin.

Yet...

You do not speak up for those who thought that Cain's Mark was something other.

For instance, you do not refute sportxmouse (and socks). You do not reply to him stating that his ideas are rooted in ignorance.

Have you read his recent posts?

But besides that, do you remember who and what happend among the "blackness Curse of Cain" types?

1. Slavery
2. KKK
3. Christian Identity racism
4. Apartheid in S.Africa
5. Anti-black prejudice blasphemy in Christian churches.

Does any of this seem like a positive direction through recent history as time moved forward?

You know what else a lot of Christians taught in history about the Mark of Cain?

That it was the Jewish race!

Hey, you not going to go there though are you?
No Surprise wrote:
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You're opinion is rooted in pathetic ignorance and deep seated racist prejudicial bias.
You can't admit you don't know what the mark/sign was and leave it at that.
You won't accept people have a right to an opinion even if you disagree with it.
You have told people for weeks and months in the threads what God won't do or wouldn't do and you're his GOD and COMMANDER and that's how you know what God won't or wouldn't do, because as God's GOD you tell him what to think and say as you have told us what's true and what's false.
And that's some more of your pathetic ignorance at constant work...

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25932 May 24, 2013
Wait let me make sure I got this right

You've been now insisting that black skin was the mark of Cain and God separating a race (black people clearly implied) from others.

then you talk about someone else molesting and perverting the Gospel of Jesus.
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
And, you are a liar... going around and masturbating yourself on the Internet does nothing for me.
I am a she,
he is a he,
and you molest and pervert the Gospel of the Jesus Christ,
and then go around selling your soul for a pack of cigarettes on the Internet.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25933 May 24, 2013
osirica wrote:
Wait let me make sure I got this right
You've been now insisting that black skin was the mark of Cain and God separating a race (black people clearly implied) from others.
then you talk about someone else molesting and perverting the Gospel of Jesus.
<quoted text>
You think it meant he had a bird flying near him at all times.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25934 May 24, 2013
Bottom line guys:

Structurally your analysis of the Bible is definitely completely off.

And you've blown the racial angle about early historians way out of proportions. You guys make it seem like there was all this anti-black sentiment drawn from the passage by early Christians and Jews, or that it was a widespread belief and teaching.

It clearly wasn't else we would see a lot more than one or two isolated passages. There was far more about Cain being disfigured than his skin being changed.

You guys need to stop carrying water for white supremacists, or 18th century confederate slavery sympathizers. Or the mormon church.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25935 May 24, 2013
osirica wrote:
Wait let me make sure I got this right
You've been now insisting that black skin was the mark of Cain and God separating a race (black people clearly implied) from others.
then you talk about someone else molesting and perverting the Gospel of Jesus.
<quoted text>
#1 Dana started talking about the KKK

you blame me or no surprise.

#2 Your rants have become belligerent with self pity and ignorance.

you are not even keeping your story straight.

#3 It's impressive that you are more worried about Dana than he himself is

two juvenile self pitying individuals siding together to make a front... through twisting and lying.

man I bet you 2 would be a hit on the disco floor.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25936 May 24, 2013
osirica wrote:
Bottom line guys:
Structurally your analysis of the Bible is definitely completely off.
And you've blown the racial angle about early historians way out of proportions. You guys make it seem like there was all this anti-black sentiment drawn from the passage by early Christians and Jews, or that it was a widespread belief and teaching.
It clearly wasn't else we would see a lot more than one or two isolated passages. There was far more about Cain being disfigured than his skin being changed.
You guys need to stop carrying water for white supremacists, or 18th century confederate slavery sympathizers. Or the mormon church.
And, you need to stop carrying the water for the black panther.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25937 May 24, 2013
Stop feeling sorry for yourself because your black... you could be purple (Like Barney the Dinosaur).

Start treating people like individuals and maybe they will start treating you like an individual.

The race war 'that you started in here'... there is no end to it until you stop pursuing it.

We heard your side
- the part you would tell, and the part you twisted
- now find some peace and take a pill or something before you have a heart attack or end up in the hospital again.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25938 May 24, 2013
Again:

Your point of view about Cain is identical to the POV of the KKK.

So what if dana started talking, so what if you don't like my rants, so what if it's impressive...

The bottom line, you share ignorant ideology with the f---ing KKK.

And I ask you again, how is your view on Cain and black skin any different?
sportxmouse wrote:
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#1 Dana started talking about the KKK
you blame me or no surprise.
#2 Your rants have become belligerent with self pity and ignorance.
you are not even keeping your story straight.
#3 It's impressive that you are more worried about Dana than he himself is
two juvenile self pitying individuals siding together to make a front... through twisting and lying.
man I bet you 2 would be a hit on the disco floor.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25939 May 24, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You shouldn't be listening to those voices in your head. They are lying to you.
I don't take advice from people who:

You don't believe in research.
You don't believe in God.
You said you would kill Jesus Christ for his teachings.
You called Jesus Christ a Pig, a Retard,
You don't even believe in Genesis... you said "it was a myth"

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25940 May 24, 2013
My view is that Cain's mark had nothing to do with skin color. And your replies are in line with Mormon, KKK, and all sorts of crazy blasphemy.

the black panther is a totally unrelated discussion.
sportxmouse wrote:
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And, you need to stop carrying the water for the black panther.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25941 May 24, 2013
So let me help you clear your misunderstanding:

My replies have nothing to do with feeling sorry for myself.

I feel sorry for you, and I feel sorry for black people who accept your mormon racist teachings.

I also know that you want to legitimize your ideology by pretending that I feel sorry for my own skin color.

It's like saying "the reason they him is because he is black"

BUT the truth is

"The reason why they hate him is because they are ignorantly obsesed with hating his black skin"

see the difference?

So the race war you perpetuate is where you go on trying to make a case that Cain was marked with black skin and that is where black people come from.

That is where the race war starts.

So you disengage, back off, and drop it. Perhaps you should also take a chill pill since you keep replying trying to defend something that is indefensible.

Because the truth is, you don't feel good about yourself, unless you can convince yourself that I exist as the result of a curse.
sportxmouse wrote:
Stop feeling sorry for yourself because your black... you could be purple (Like Barney the Dinosaur).
Start treating people like individuals and maybe they will start treating you like an individual.
The race war 'that you started in here'... there is no end to it until you stop pursuing it.
We heard your side
- the part you would tell, and the part you twisted
- now find some peace and take a pill or something before you have a heart attack or end up in the hospital again.

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25942 May 24, 2013
What research do you have that brings up Cain and black skin?

A SYRIAN PRIEST from the 5th century?

That's the strength of your argument?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't take advice from people who:
You don't believe in research.
You don't believe in God.
You said you would kill Jesus Christ for his teachings.
You called Jesus Christ a Pig, a Retard,
You don't even believe in Genesis... you said "it was a myth"

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25943 May 24, 2013
osirica wrote:
My view is that Cain's mark had nothing to do with skin color. And your replies are in line with Mormon, KKK, and all sorts of crazy blasphemy.
the black panther is a totally unrelated discussion.
<quoted text>
She's a heretic...

burn her alive,
boil her in oil,
bury her alive,
beat her down...

Good grief... Dana started the KKK talk. I respond to him... and you respond like the Church of Rome.

You need help dude.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25944 May 24, 2013
The black panther is racism

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25945 May 24, 2013
Yea so...

You're off topic.
sportxmouse wrote:
The black panther is racism

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

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#25946 May 24, 2013
So lets clear it up,

You mentioned two times clearly that the mark of cain is black skin or really could be

You wanted some explanation of where different skin colors come fro (we already have provided that).

How is your view different than that of the KKK on this matter? They think that black people are the descendent of Cain and their skin came from the mark of Cain.

Are you saying that you do not share this view?
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
She's a heretic...
burn her alive,
boil her in oil,
bury her alive,
beat her down...
Good grief... Dana started the KKK talk. I respond to him... and you respond like the Church of Rome.
You need help dude.
StupidLovesScoff ing

Yuba City, CA

#25947 May 24, 2013
osirica wrote:
Your first reference doesn't actually quote anything, it's a comment about something we cannot read.
your second Armenian Book is from the 5th or 6th century.
Not from the 1st or 2nd. Not from B.C.
and it talks about his FACE, not changing his RACE.
The point is, and you've been reading, you have some very isolated teachings that do not go back far enough and they are speculations that do not even make sense.
The rabbinic texts about his countenance confused that with the "mark"? But we don't have what they are saying to discuss, just this commentary that you are cynically postihng.
"God beat cain with coal until his face turned black". Where oh where does THAT even come about from the texts? It has no effect on this discussion. That doesn't even discuss the curse on Cain.
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You sound drunk, you're so stupid.

Actually you sound like a deluded race-baiting systematic liar so you can masturbate about your brownness.

"That guy" you try desperately to hand wave into something other than NEARLY TWO THOUSAND YEARS' JEWISH TEACHING

"The Cainite view argues that Cain was born white, but after his unacceptable sacrifice and the murder of his brother, Abel, he was turned black as punishment and became the progenitor of all black people.
***
According to some of the rabbinic Midrashim (in both the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud),
***

because Cain offered an unacceptable sacrifice, the smoke from this unacceptable sacrifice blew back on him, turned him black and caused all of his children to be born black.

===
Turns out to BE: NEARLY TWO THOUSAND YEARS of JEWISH teaching.

The FURTHER PROBLEM YOU'VE GOT after not proving they're WRONG,

is TRYING to FOIST IT OFF on EUROPEANS.

===
You've been TALKING to ME less than ONE ROUND of DEBATE
and I've CAUGHT you LYING,

trying to claim Cain wasn't exiled.

Exile was the first thing God did to Adam

and it's OBVIOUSLY what was very NEGATIVELY on CAIN's mind as he cried out about WHAT GOD TOLD HIM was GOING to HAPPEN.

Your brownness doesn't preclude you from being called a liar as soon as your caught trying to do it

and it took you exactly ONE ROUND to get caught trying it.

You're done lying to me for now, I know I can come back and find you lying at any point along your bullshoot, I knew I could do it now.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#25948 May 24, 2013
osirica wrote:
So lets clear it up,
You mentioned two times clearly that the mark of cain is black skin or really could be
You wanted some explanation of where different skin colors come fro (we already have provided that).
How is your view different than that of the KKK on this matter? They think that black people are the descendent of Cain and their skin came from the mark of Cain.
Are you saying that you do not share this view?
<quoted text>
Oh NO, NO, NO... I've mentioned it MORE than 2 times.

I believe the MARK Cain acquired for killing his brother so that he would stand out so he could be identified (was not a bird as you suggest)... I believe God changed the color of his skin so that he would not be killed.

It was an identifier... a blessing to him.

Genesis 4:13
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, aMy punishment is greater than I can bear.

He was ashamed. God lessened his burden... and spared him by changing his color so he would not be killed.

Are you ashamed of who you are?

BUT, NO I do not believe Adam and Eve were black.
Your Ugly

Englewood, CO

#25949 May 24, 2013
Josesph smith was probably drunk

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