Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31992 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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#22325 Mar 18, 2013
Who cares what Mormons, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or other magical-thinking dingbats believe?

ANYONE who thinks an invisible man in the sky is going punish or reward you after you croak is clinically retarded.

Ignore them. Spend your time with humans who engage in rational thought.

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#22326 Mar 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
The Five Skills Of An Anti- Mormon
The Five Skills Of An Anti- Mormon
1) Editorialize and label the doctrine/teachings as "garbage," point out that such teachings are so foul that it would be undignified to even credit such teachings with a civil intelligent answer. Enlarge on how non Christ-like the author is, and thus declare victory in the debate.
2) Explain how nothing can be absolutely "proved" by evidence anyway, and besides the evidence is based on unacceptable assumptions and is therefore tenuous, and ultimately it is all a matter of faith. And remind the critic that the lack of evidence does not prove that something DID exist. Declare the criticism refuted once and for all.
3) Carry-on as if the current criticism is exactly like past criticisms and therefore can be automatically discredited because the past ones are no longer published, presumably because they were all refuted (therefore the current criticism is ultimately invalid because it too will someday be disproved).
4) When confronted with an argument, suggest that if the same category of criticism were used against the critic's religion that it would destroy all his basis for religious faith. Use this tactic to show the critic that his criticism is worthless because he is using a DOUBLE STANDARD.
Start out by insisting that incomplete information is the same as NO information, and with NO information there is no such thing as contradictory information.
Point-out that the critic is relying on "non-comprehensive" bodies of information to support his doctrinal positions and therefore does not have real proof to support his views either. Also insist that non-comprehensive information is not enough to discriminate between consistent and contradictory information.
Lastly behave as if the LDS "no evidence" situation and Christianity's "non-comprehensive evidence" are the same thing because neither provides absolute proof of anything.
Declare the critic a hypocrite and a fool for playing with such dangerous kinds of information, and you have won the argument!
5) Provide a snow job of correct sounding, but distantly related trivia that are really irrelevant to the critical issue.
Declare victory once and forevermore, based on the sheer volume of your regurgitation.
Now who does that sound like here?(Dana)
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#22327 Mar 18, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...and that statement comes from the sour lips of a wannabe Christian that can't speak as a Christian because most of their rude comments are sexually based. So as you think, so as you speak, so as you prove what you aren't. And you overwhelmingly prove you aren't a Christian. You have just proved as usual all your good at is speaking dark filthy garbage and your TRUE god applauds you for such great dark filthy language.
It doesn't have to be that way, just saying :)
One can claim to believe in God. The devils believe in God also. But the road to true repentance begins with how one thinks which is reflective in how one speaks. Anonymous
I remember where it says in the New Testament, "And the LORD said, DUDE, WTF man, you can't cuss and be a Christian!". And then the LORD killed a fig tree and proclaimed Himself the Prince of Peace, and His followers Moooed and Baaa-ed and Clucked and Barked, and it was good."
Seriously

Hyattsville, MD

#22328 Mar 18, 2013
Mormons are not Christians. They are wanna be gods of their own planets, but ONLY if they are married in the temple. Ridiculous!

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#22329 Mar 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
What aren't always actual problems with Mormonism:
1. In the first "History of the Church," written by Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith in 1834, there is no mention of Joseph Smith's"first vision" (where God the Father and Jesus appeared and told him that all churches of the day were "abominations"), even though the church leaders today insist that this vision is the basis and beginning of Mormonism.
1a. There is no actual problem there. It can be made to seem to be a problem but it actually isn't unless that's how one wishes to view it.
2. Although Mormons claim that they are "family oriented," they exclude non-Mormon family members - even parents - from weddings in the temple, since only "worthy" Mormons are allowed to enter a Mormon temple.
2a. That reasoning can also be applied to Mormon parents sending a child on a mission for two years where neither Mormon or non-Mormon relatives can go to be with said child. Wow, that really proves their not "family orientated" I suppose. lolol...how fricking stupid of a statement...why am I not surprised...
3. Mormon scripture (D&C 84:86, 91) says that true missionaries from God will not rely on their own money or supplies ("purse or scrip") for support, and this will be a test to distinguish them from false missionaries. Modern Mormon missionaries now rely on themselves for support; i.e., they do "carry purse [and] scrip."
3a. There's an actual point there. But before we pass judgement, let's ask Dana since he claims to be a missionary for the Lord if he is doing his mission as Jesus said with nothing but the clothes on his back and nothing else. And let's ask Christians if they go on missions with nothing but the clothes they wear and nothing else. Case closed. Next.
4. The Book of Mormon says that the horse was used as a beast of burden or draft animal in ancient America. This is false. The ancient Americans had no beasts of burden or draft animals, and especially not the horse.(The Incas domesticated the llama, but not until long after Book of Mormon times.)
4a. Missing evidence doesn't make a statement false. It just means the statement hasn't been proved true. The BOM also spoke of elephants being in America. We now know the Maya carved elephant head relief's into their buildings proving elephants did exist at some time in the America's for the Maya to know what they looked like though they don't exist now. Case closed. Next.
5. Originally the terms "eternal marriage" and "celestial marriage" as used in D&C 132 meant "plural marriage," as interpreted by the 19th century Mormon leaders. Now the church has changed the meaning so as not to imply polygamy, although the terms were introduced in the revelation which authorized polygamy. The church today claims that the divine plan for marriage is one man to one woman. But D&C 132 is still scripture, and still authorizes a man to marry more than one woman at a time.
5a. The divine plan of a one man one woman existed in Smith's time along with polygamy. Not all church elders were allowed to partake in polygamy. Abraham, David, Jacob (Israel), Moses were all polygamists and practised polygamy while one man one wife marriages were also practised.
Continued

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#22330 Mar 18, 2013
Continued..

6. Joseph Smith asserted that Mormons believe in obeying and sustaining the law (Articles of Faith 12), but he continually flouted the law, as in his establishing the illegal Kirtland Bank (for which he was found guilty and fined) and his entering into illegal bigamous (polygamous) relationships.
6a. The articles of faith as you pointed out weren't a commandment when first given. So Smith or any other Mormon did no wrong in not "toeing the line" to be totally obedient to the articles of faith. And as the mayor Smith broke no law in setting up a city bank. Some more of your lying twists.
7. Joseph Smith claimed that he told his family about his "first vision" in 1820, in which he said that God and Christ had told him that he should join no church at that time because they were all false. However, several family members did subsequently join the Presbyterian church, and Joseph Smith applied to join the Methodist church in 1828, thus casting doubt on whether he had had the vision as claimed.
7a. Smith claimed on more than one occasion of having a "vision". He also described it in various ways as he aged. There is no actual doubt that Smith believed he had a vision. The doubt is to you, not Smith.
8. Until 1978 the church excluded from the priesthood and from the temple any member who had "Negro" blood. Now the church claims that it was never "racist."
8a. By the definition of the word it wasn't a racist act. It can be defined as an act of discrimination that is true.
9. Mormons teach that the process of going from the pre-existent life as spirit offspring of God requires obtaining a body, following all of God's commandments in this life, being resurrected with a perfect physical body and proceeding to godhood. No satisfactory explanation is given as to how the third member of the Mormon godhead (the Holy Ghost) can have status as a god but lack a physical body.
9a. Actually there are Mormon sources that give a satisfactory explanation for why the Holy Ghost doesn't have a body. So you make a problem appear to be where one doesn't actually exist and why am I not surprised you have done that.
10. The Book of Mormon says that elephants were a useful domestic animal in ancient America (Ether 9:19). This is impossible because there were no elephants in America at that time. It may be that Joseph Smith included elephants in the Book of Mormon because a woolly mammoth skeleton had recently been found in America, and this led some people to think that elephants were known to the Indians' ancestors. However, the mammoth (or mastodon) had become extinct about six thousand years before the events in the Book of Mormon are dated.
10a. is an out right anti-Mormon lie. Mayan temples have elephant head relief's of modern day elephant heads that don't even remotely look like mammoths. Mayans knew what a modern elephant looked like. Science knows that because Mayan's carved elephant heads into their buildings, that means they had seen modern elephants. Case closed. Next.

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#22331 Mar 18, 2013
Seriously wrote:
Legitimate prophets are NEVER wrong. They don't make mistakes - period.
Peter's a prophet and lied and tried to commit premeditated murder on a guard. What now?

sportxmouse

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#22332 Mar 18, 2013
I think some people join the Church for other people and don't have a true understanding of the teachings and history that the Church is based on.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22333 Mar 18, 2013
1. In the first "History of the Church," written by Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith in 1834, there is no mention of Joseph Smith's"first vision" (where God the Father and Jesus appeared and told him that all churches of the day were "abominations"), even though the church leaders today insist that this vision is the basis and beginning of Mormonism.
1a. There is no actual problem there. It can be made to seem to be a problem but it actually isn't unless that's how one wishes to view it.[QUOTE]

No, it was only suppose to be the biggest event in modern Christian(if you believe it) but that isn't a problem at all.

[QUOTE]2. Although Mormons claim that they are "family oriented," they exclude non-Mormon family members - even parents - from weddings in the temple, since only "worthy" Mormons are allowed to enter a Mormon temple.
2a. That reasoning can also be applied to Mormon parents sending a child on a mission for two years where neither Mormon or non-Mormon relatives can go to be with said child. Wow, that really proves their not "family orientated" I suppose. lolol...how fricking stupid of a statement...why am I not surprised...
A marriage in a family is one of the biggest events of a family, Mormon or not. Non-members are allowed to also go to a missionaries going away party if they wanted, and is hardly the event a wedding is. When a non-member mother can't attend her daughters member wedding, that is sick, plain and simple. Thank you for your demonstration of a mind brainwashed in a cult, and the sickness it causes.
3. Mormon scripture (D&C 84:86, 91) says that true missionaries from God will not rely on their own money or supplies ("purse or scrip") for support, and this will be a test to distinguish them from false missionaries. Modern Mormon missionaries now rely on themselves for support; i.e., they do "carry purse [and] scrip."
3a. There's an actual point there. But before we pass judgement, let's ask Dana since he claims to be a missionary for the Lord if he is doing his mission as Jesus said with nothing but the clothes on his back and nothing else. And let's ask Christians if they go on missions with nothing but the clothes they wear and nothing else. Case closed. Next.
Why should non-members have to abide with Mormon scripture? It is LDS scripture, and only the LDS should have to abide with it. Others don't have to follow your cult.
4. The Book of Mormon says that the horse was used as a beast of burden or draft animal in ancient America. This is false. The ancient Americans had no beasts of burden or draft animals, and especially not the horse.(The Incas domesticated the llama, but not until long after Book of Mormon times.)
4a. Missing evidence doesn't make a statement false. It just means the statement hasn't been proved true. The BOM also spoke of elephants being in America. We now know the Maya carved elephant head relief's into their buildings proving elephants did exist at some time in the America's for the Maya to know what they looked like though they don't exist now. Case closed. Next.
Well, you just go find those missing horses and let us know when you find them. Don't hold your breath looking! LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22334 Mar 18, 2013
5. Originally the terms "eternal marriage" and "celestial marriage" as used in D&C 132 meant "plural marriage," as interpreted by the 19th century Mormon leaders. Now the church has changed the meaning so as not to imply polygamy, although the terms were introduced in the revelation which authorized polygamy. The church today claims that the divine plan for marriage is one man to one woman. But D&C 132 is still scripture, and still authorizes a man to marry more than one woman at a time.
5a. The divine plan of a one man one woman existed in Smith's time along with polygamy. Not all church elders were allowed to partake in polygamy. Abraham, David, Jacob (Israel), Moses were all polygamists and practised polygamy while one man one wife marriages were also practised.[QUOTE]

Abraham, David, Jacob, never taught that polygamy was something you had to do or "be damned." D&C 132 did. It was the "new and everlasting convenant."

“The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 11, p. 269

[QUOTE]7. Joseph Smith claimed that he told his family about his "first vision" in 1820, in which he said that God and Christ had told him that he should join no church at that time because they were all false. However, several family members did subsequently join the Presbyterian church, and Joseph Smith applied to join the Methodist church in 1828, thus casting doubt on whether he had had the vision as claimed.
7a. Smith claimed on more than one occasion of having a "vision". He also described it in various ways as he aged. There is no actual doubt that Smith believed he had a vision. The doubt is to you, not Smith.
If he had really had seen God the Father and Jesus Christ, and they had told him to "join none of the churches, they were all an abomination" Why would he become Methodists?
9. Mormons teach that the process of going from the pre-existent life as spirit offspring of God requires obtaining a body, following all of God's commandments in this life, being resurrected with a perfect physical body and proceeding to godhood. No satisfactory explanation is given as to how the third member of the Mormon godhead (the Holy Ghost) can have status as a god but lack a physical body.
9a. Actually there are Mormon sources that give a satisfactory explanation for why the Holy Ghost doesn't have a body. So you make a problem appear to be where one doesn't actually exist and why am I not surprised you have done that.
Don't claim it, prove it.

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#22335 Mar 18, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
I think some people join the Church for other people and don't have a true understanding of the teachings and history that the Church is based on.
Milk before meat

sportxmouse

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#22336 Mar 18, 2013
NoMo,

Your opinions don't offend me... your guilt from not stepping in and helping that boy is understandable.

You don't know all that was in his mind, all that he was going through. He may have been suffering from mental illness. I don't think it was your fault.

IDK if you have thought about getting counseling about this, but maybe you should.

sportxmouse

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#22337 Mar 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
...Don't claim it, prove it.
You don't like the truth, so YOU claim it isn't the truth.

Nobody can prove truth to you. You have an authority issue... you will not listen to anyone. In fact, you respond to every post that you disagree with.

It must be nice to have that much time on your hands.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22338 Mar 19, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't like the truth, so YOU claim it isn't the truth.
Nobody can prove truth to you. You have an authority issue... you will not listen to anyone. In fact, you respond to every post that you disagree with.
It must be nice to have that much time on your hands.
I'm not taking the word of a wannabe Mormon who can't understand plain English or refuses too. His deceptions are well documented.

And what is wrong to responding to the posts I disagree with? You're not doing the same?

sportxmouse

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#22339 Mar 19, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not taking the word of a wannabe Mormon who can't understand plain English or refuses too. His deceptions are well documented.
And what is wrong to responding to the posts I disagree with? You're not doing the same?
You disagree with anyone who doesn't support anti-Mormon literature or harassing Mormons.

That's funny and another lie.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22340 Mar 19, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
You disagree with anyone who doesn't support anti-Mormon literature or harassing Mormons.
That's funny and another lie.
I disagree with the lies and deceptions of the LDS church. I disagree with people who try to lie and distort scripture to make it fit the LDS church's false teachings.

It's not funny what the LDS church is doing to men's souls.

sportxmouse

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#22341 Mar 19, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree with the lies and deceptions of the LDS church. I disagree with people who try to lie and distort scripture to make it fit the LDS church's false teachings.
It's not funny what the LDS church is doing to men's souls.
Does not ashamed agree with you on this too?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22342 Mar 19, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Does not ashamed agree with you on this too?
I don't speak for not ashamed, but she considers herself a faithful member and is a believer.

We agree to disagree on this aspect.

sportxmouse

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#22343 Mar 19, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't speak for not ashamed, but she considers herself a faithful member and is a believer.
We agree to disagree on this aspect.
So you respect her but not God?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22344 Mar 19, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
So you respect her but not God?
What Mormons worship isn't God. It's a figment of Smith's imagination.

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