LDS Apostle visited Tonga

There are 20 comments on the Feb 24, 2014, Matangi Tonga story titled LDS Apostle visited Tonga. In it, Matangi Tonga reports that:

Elder Neil L. Andersen, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, During their short stay in Tonga, the Apostle met and counseled church leaders to hasten the work of the Lord in Tonga.

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#407 Apr 12, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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BS< you claimed at the time it was a commandment today. Went on for 2 papers with that ignorance until I gave quotes for the leaders. You're full of it tonight.
You mean I stated it wasn't a commandment even to today correct? That is what I said. You contended it had always been a commandment. We both proved we were both half correct.
Tongangodz

Sacramento, CA

#408 Apr 12, 2014
jestr wrote:
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I like my history and I'm sure you too Benz, but not to talk church here, but on the Polynesian ancestors I think the evidence is pretty solid that polys came from the west through south east Asia. That's not a church view or anything, just me trying to understand where we came from with the research available. Maybe this discussion better on a different thread, not a LDS one lol
Toko, l m not disagreeing w anything regarding t Polys, all l know we weren't dark sin, but granted as time passed n their was t intermingling w t Melas we developed a Carmel complexion, no shame to our game n w t ability to travel abroad even to t Americas, do u think there was s possibility of our ancestors bringing a few if not many ancient Americans to Polynesia is that not a possibility, coz for sure we had t ability n t know how to navigate there n back, apparently many times, successfully. However, l see your interest n l hope u see mine.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#409 Apr 12, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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That would also make the Book of Mormon a instrument of Satan trying to destroy the truth:
1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.
2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—
4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
I agree, it is.
You conveniently and with deceitful purpose left out pertinent information.

Like Smith and other LDS prophets and apostles stating God the Father, Jesus Christ and and Holy Spirit are three separate, individual beings who are one in purpose. That they explained that is why Jesus said they are one and the same, meaning their spiritual purposes and goals.
That they explained Jesus is also called God the Father in the capacity of being the creator of the heavens and earths as God his Father commanded him to create all things and promised him one day they would all be his, but until that day, the glory would belong to God his Father and not himself.
Jesus stated he obeyed the commandments of his Father, not the commandments of himself. Jesus went to great lengths to make a difference between his powers and the powers of his Father.
Jesus told us when we pray to begin with our Father in heaven, not our Jesus our Father in heaven.
There is a difference you refuse to understand that exists. And that's on you.

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#410 Apr 12, 2014
No Surprise,
U r a foot solider of t Lord JC, He is so proud, as l m humbled by your example n courage to take on Mrs. Robinson though she is a light weight he is a master at bull sheit, but u got him by t neck on his own game, very impressive, thanks.

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#411 Apr 12, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
No Surprise,
U r a foot solider of t Lord JC, He is so proud, as l m humbled by your example n courage to take on Mrs. Robinson though she is a light weight he is a master at bull sheit, but u got him by t neck on his own game, very impressive, thanks.
mrs robinson is keeping everyone on their toes and providing fuel for the growth of the church....they cannot win when going up against god.....hihihihihihi
thascribe

Tonga

#412 Apr 12, 2014
Dana. The Church is better with you in it than you against it. Don't fight the Lords church but join
thascribe

Tonga

#413 Apr 12, 2014
Dana. Go see the bishop, and work out your afflictions, he is a representative of Christ Jesus, and can help you

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#414 Apr 12, 2014
raider4life wrote:
<quoted text> mrs robinson is keeping everyone on their toes and providing fuel for the growth of the church....they cannot win when going up against god.....hihihihihihi
I see your point sometimes we don't value what we have until someone insults it, n than t guns come out to play ..... Kind of like u t Vitis ..... FHK!!!!!

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#415 Apr 12, 2014
thascribe wrote:
Dana. Go see the bishop, and work out your afflictions, he is a representative of Christ Jesus, and can help you
mrs robinson isprobably a paid minister in his new church why would he want to come back.....hihihihihihi

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#416 Apr 12, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
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I see your point sometimes we don't value what we have until someone insults it, n than t guns come out to play ..... Kind of like u t Vitis ..... FHK!!!!!
maybe mrs robinson enjoys seeing all your guns....hihihihihi

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#417 Apr 13, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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Umm, you're not reading the NT apparently. Matthias was named a replacement for Judas as an apostle. The apostles had one thought (of many possibilities) that a replacement had to of walked with Jesus... lot fell upon Matthias; … numbered with the eleven: Acts 1:26 But that wasn't always the case. As the same word for apostle used for the original 12, it was used for Paul and Barnabas... the apostles, Barnabas and Paul: Acts 14:14... Paul, an apostle: Gal. 1:1 ... Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle: 1 Tim. 2:7 .( 2 Tim. 1:11 )
Thank you for making my point. Replacing Apostles could have continued if there was a need for them. They didn't after a certain time.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#418 Apr 13, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!! What money????? T church is a $$$$ consuming entity not a money generating one, u think Tonga had any $$$$$, u r bigger fool than l thought. T joke is on u!!!!!
You need to read more

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-...

"Late last March the Mormon Church completed an ambitious project: a megamall. Built for roughly $2 billion, the City Creek Center stands directly across the street from the church’s iconic neo-Gothic temple in Salt Lake City. The mall includes a retractable glass roof, 5,000 underground parking spots, and nearly 100 stores and restaurants, ranging from Tiffany’s (TIF) to Forever 21. Walkways link the open-air emporium with the church’s perfectly manicured headquarters on Temple Square. Macy’s (M) is a stone’s throw from the offices of the church’s president, Thomas S. Monson, whom Mormons believe to be a living prophet."

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-...

"Does the Church own for-profit businesses? Yes. In the Church’s earlier history as it was establishing itself in the remote Intermountain West, some of those businesses were necessitated by the simple fact that they didn’t exist elsewhere in the community. Gradually, as private businesses developed and the need for Church-owned businesses diminished, they were sold off, donated to the community or discontinued. Zions Bank and the LDS Hospital system are examples."
A simple internet search on the topic will show you just how wrong you are.
U got probablem w t Jews ..... Huh Dana. Take it up w Spencer .... It was his revelation not ours. For yo information it is known oral history that t original Polynesians were fair skin ppl, until they intermingled w t Melanisians....but we love caramel sunkist skin n it's become a blessing not a curse.....Lmaooooo!!!!
I have zero problems with the Jews. But your are not one of them, proving Spencer again to be a false Prophet. It is Mormonism that teaches that dark skin is a curse:

"Cain slew his brother ... and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.... How long is that race [blacks] to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam's children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290)."

"...the Lord shall curse the land with much heat...and there was a blackness (2) came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people." (Moses 7:8)

"And Enoch also beheld ...the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it were the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not a place among them." (Moses 7:22)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#419 Apr 13, 2014
"Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth. From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land. The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden. When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land..." (Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 1:21-24, 26c)

The Mormon Church's racist doctrine of preexistence also finds its roots in The Pearl of Great Price:

"...he [God] said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou was chosen before thou wast born...And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate..." (Abraham 3:23, 26)

Joseph Fielding Smith (10th Mormon president/prophet) elaborates:

"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less...There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. All took sides with either Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there...The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits" (Doctrines of Salvation published 1954,1:61,65,66)

Another racist belief found in The Book of Mormon(3) concerns Native Americans, where the shade of one's skin color determines a person's righteousness:



"...after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations." (I Nephi 12:23)

"...Behold, they had hardened their hearts against him...wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticingunto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their sins." (2 Nephi 5:21-22)

"And the skins of the Lamanites(4) were dark...which was a curse upon them because of their transgression against their brethren...therefore they were cursed; and the Lord God set a mark upon them. And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that thereby the Lord God might preservehis people..." (Alma 3:6,8)

"And then shall they [Lamanites] rejoice...and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people" (2 Nephi 30:6, 1830, 1920, and 1977 editions)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#420 Apr 13, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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Your truth calls God a liar. You have no scriptural basis for your belief. So your 'truth' is a man made truth, not a God stated truth. There's a difference.
I can't explain the age thing. I have ideas and opinions but they are no more 'truths' than what you believe is truth.
What I know concerning God is the best thing is not to question something that has no evident answer from God. You should be of the same mind if you believe in God. Otherwise you call him a liar by what he revealed as information to someone whom others repeated later that you disbelieve and claim isn't true.
If you can only think in simpleton terms, then you are unable to get beyond just truth and lies. Educated people understand that life is a little more sophisticated than that. according to your logic Jesus was telling a lie every time he told a parable.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#421 Apr 13, 2014
thascribe wrote:
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lolz now I your your full of loielo and ta'e Moses didn't kill out of self defense, he killed the Egyptian in defense of and Israelite. Don't twist scripture to fit your agenda dummy
11 ¶And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
(Exodus 2:11-12)
Clearly no self defense but he killed/murdered. No man is perfect, not even the Prophet.
He was defending another person. That is a sin?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#422 Apr 13, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
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Dana, l know it was late when u responded to my post, but l laid it out as simple as l could, so not to confuse u, but u must just love to hear from me, go back n read, not glance, coz l know u must have been in awe, it's apparent w your lost of words.
No where did l say we had 2 HFs, but however JC t creator of heaven n earth was like a Father to us on those terms. Father being we r like his children as we follow his gospel as well, but t Son as He yielded to will of t Father n atoned for t sins of all mankind, t spirit children of HF, He also declared l do nothing but what l Father have commanded me, at this end l have come to fulfill all righteousness. I hope that simple enough for u.
''

It is simple enough for me, but that isn't what that verse said:

4 And THEY(Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ) are ONE GOD,(Not godhead, not in purpose) yea, the very ETERNAL FATHER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.(Not just the Heavenly Father of Earth as you claimed).
It's your scripture, not mine. Words mean something.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#423 Apr 13, 2014
thascribe wrote:
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Those are lies and rumors made up to put down the Church of God, even Moses was accused many times, you are NOT well read in the scriptures therefore you have no real foundation upon which you can build on. Believe what you want but don't ignore the signs that Joseph Smith IS a true Prophet of God, if he weren't, the Church would've fallen when he did. You viper
Why would it have fallen? God made no such promise. Islam is a false religion. It has over half a billion members. Just because something is false, it doesn't mean it will just go away after the creator dies. Many of Satan's plans have prosper. Just look at the problems we have with drug abuse and porn today. Billion dollar industries.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#424 Apr 13, 2014
thascribe wrote:
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And that's what you have Brother Robinson, NOTHING. His church The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, will stand until He comes in his Glory to rule Earth as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. You have been deceived. In the name of Jesus Christ I pray thee repent, and come unto Him and be thou healed
So what if it will stand? If it is the a deception of Satan, it has done nothing for you. There will always be evil on this earth until the second coming. As a follower of Christ I'm commanded to fight against it in hopes that those who will see can escape and be saved.
jestr

Tonga

#425 Apr 13, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Why would it have fallen? God made no such promise. Islam is a false religion. It has over half a billion members. Just because something is false, it doesn't mean it will just go away after the creator dies. Many of Satan's plans have prosper. Just look at the problems we have with drug abuse and porn today. Billion dollar industries.
My friend on here whom I won't name (samonga), is also one of those addicted to porn. We can pretend people don't watch it, or we can be straight up and say, yes this is a problem and its a real problem hurting young minds

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#426 Apr 13, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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Also, I didn't say Jesus lied about marriage and I didn't say Jesus lied about anything he said while on the cross and I didn't say Paul lied. I said your interpretations of those events was wrong, incorrect and in error. That is what I claimed of you and your interpretations. If you accuse me of something at least get it correct.
God taught eternal principles, including marriage. God never stated a "till death do you part" amendment to marriage. Neither did he begin marriage with divorce. I also showed you Israelites believed in eternal marriage over 2000 years ago. That's more circumstantial evidence for eternal marriage than you have against it.
What the Jews believed 2,000 years ago doesn't matter. Nowhere in their scripture does it talk about marriage being eternal. What Jesus said is the last word on the subject. He said there will no marrying or giving marriage. Why? Because we won't be living that way after the resurrection, period. For the believers, the resurrection will be to a place of joy. A reward, not a punishment. If the faithful died without being married, and God intended people to be eternally married, why stop people from getting married? Makes no sense whatsoever. And If a married widow is still consider married to her first husband after the resurrection, how can it be OK for her to remarry in this life. So yes, you are calling Jesus and Paul liars because they have made plan statements on those subjects. You can't even begin to support your theory.
Jesus never said the thief was saved. The Bible doesn't describe 'paradise'. You have no idea of where that thief was to be after Jesus's death because the NT gives no information.
So again, you are calling the LDS church and Jesus a liar. Because when you die, if you wake up and see Jesus there, I would count that as having made it to his glory. You refusal to comprehend something basic is your problem. But you do hate the grace of Jesus Christ.
So anything you want to add is all opinion like mine own. And Paul was addressing temples and idols made with human hands for the purpose of worshipping false gods. Paul didn't reference temples built with human hands commanded by God to be built or when he'd have them built again if they were destroyed. God commanded three temples to be built; the portable one used in the wilderness built with hands, the Temple of Solomon built with human hands and the rebuilding of it a second time with human hands after the first was destroyed by the Babylonians. So you take what Paul said out of context. Otherwise if what you claim is true, the portable temple and the building of the Temple of Solomon and the rebuilding of the temple of Solomon should never have existed. But they did exist. That makes your interpretation wrong and incorrect.
No, Paul didn't make any exceptions. God left the temple after Jesus fulfilled the law by his death on the cross. You can't seem to comprehend the difference between pre-crucifixion and post-crucifixion. The Holy of Holies was a place where the Jews sacrificed the blood of animals once a year to atone for their sins. But the atonement was only temporary until the Messiah paid that price. When Jesus died that price was paid, once for all.. Again your problem, not mine. Let those who have eyes see.

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