Bill Clinton to Democrats: Donít trivialize gun culture

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Prince Velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#1 Jan 20, 2013
ďA lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,Ē Clinton said.ďI know because I come from this world."

Clinton dedicated a substantial portion of his 40-minute address before a joint meeting of the Obama National Finance Committee and a group of business leaders to the issue of guns and gun control, saying that it was a test-case for President Barack Obamaís grass-roots movements.

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#2 Jan 20, 2013
LOOK!
LOOK at these magazine for a simple AR15!
AND... they want to ban these?

http://www.impactguns.com/ar15-magazines.aspx

Wow!
There certainly are some crazies among us!

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#3 Jan 20, 2013
gangsta

Little Falls, NY

#4 Jan 20, 2013
UTLT wrote:
LOOK!
LOOK at these magazine for a simple AR15!
AND... they want to ban these?
http://www.impactguns.com/ar15-magazines.aspx
Wow!
There certainly are some crazies among us!
Standard issue for the gangsta crowd...millions of clips like these all over the US what would "banning" them do you dumb ass?
Indy

Denver, CO

#5 Jan 20, 2013
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Democratic Mayors Take on Gun Manufacturers

Apparently the word has come down from the White House to Democrats across the nation, get in line behind the Obama Administration on gun control. The National Conference of Democratic Mayors are now threatening to have their police departments boycott the purchase of guns from manufacturers who wonít adhere to the Obama Administrationís strictures.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/20/va-lawmaker...
Va. lawmaker who brandished AK-47 during legislative session was disbarred following assault, death threat

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22651...
Mass turnout includes thousands in New York and hundreds in Connecticut, New Hampshire and Texas

One of the signs at the rally:
I'd Rather Be A
Conservative Nut Job
Than A Liberal With
No Nuts And No Job!
Prince Velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#6 Jan 20, 2013
Indy wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G overnment/2013/01/20/Democrati c-Mayors-Take-On-Gun-Manufactu rer
Democratic Mayors Take on Gun Manufacturers
Apparently the word has come down from the White House to Democrats across the nation, get in line behind the Obama Administration on gun control. The National Conference of Democratic Mayors are now threatening to have their police departments boycott the purchase of guns from manufacturers who wonít adhere to the Obama Administrationís strictures.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/20/va-lawmaker...
Va. lawmaker who brandished AK-47 during legislative session was disbarred following assault, death threat
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22651...
Mass turnout includes thousands in New York and hundreds in Connecticut, New Hampshire and Texas
One of the signs at the rally:
I'd Rather Be A
Conservative Nut Job
Than A Liberal With
No Nuts And No Job!
http://www.alltechgifts.com/guns/molon%20labe...
most importantly

Pittsfield, MA

#7 Jan 20, 2013
gangsta wrote:
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Standard issue for the gangsta crowd...millions of clips like these all over the US what would "banning" them do you dumb ass?
It would make UTLT feel better.
Aussie

Little Falls, NY

#8 Jan 20, 2013
I DARE YOU TO WATCH THIS!!!!!

This makes too much since for our government to understand


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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#9 Jan 20, 2013
gangsta wrote:
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Standard issue for the gangsta crowd...millions of clips like these all over the US what would "banning" them do you dumb ass?
Of course... I appreciate the 'dumb ass' comment.
it is really classy.

BUT...
the idea is that we stop flooding the market with these clips.

HOWEVER...
are you suggesting the only really 'smart' idea...
is to confiscate those already in circulation?
Is that your thought?

I'd really like to move from being a 'dumb ass'... to a 'smart ass'.
YOU?

Since: Nov 11

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#10 Jan 21, 2013
Clinton has a very good point here. And the National Review article on why own an AR-15 brings up another good point to be considered. How is owning an AR-15, which is obviously way too much firepower for any normal every day situation (but provides a lot of fun on the shooting range and is of great aesthetic beauty to a gun enthusiast), really any different than owning a Ferrari which has way too much performance for driving on public roads but is a lot of fun on the race track and is of great beauty? There are a lot of people who don't get that.

Government might do well to completely get out of controlling gun sales except for licensing dealers on a voluntary basis. All the other issues including the sale and conveyance of guns should be handled civilly, not criminally or by government regulation, by the following tort reforms enforceable only by private lawsuit.

1. The manufacturer of any firearm used in a crime shall be strictly liable to any victim for any injuries caused by the firearm. It shall be an absolute defense to any such lawsuit that the manufacturer initially sold the firearm in question to a licensed dealer. The burden of proof in establishing to whom the firearm was initially sold shall be on the manufacturer.

2. The Seller (or supplier)of any firearm used in a crime hall be strictly liable to any victim for any injuries caused by the firearm. It shall be an absolute defense to any such lawsuit that the Seller was a licensed dealer and ran a criminal background check on the Buyer or Recipient. The burden of proof in establishing that a background check was run shall be on the Seller.

3. The Owner of any firearm that inflicts injury on another person, even if it used by a person other than the Owner, in any circumstance shall be strictly liable to the victim for any injuries. The owner shall have the following absolute defenses to any such lawsuit:(a) that the firearm was stolen from the Owner and the theft was reported to authorities prior to the incident in question; (b) the firearm was properly secured and stored to prevent its use by unauthorized persons in accordance with a set of gun safety standards to be established in consultation with the NRA, and (c) the firearm was being used in accordance with the aforementioned set of gun safety standards.
prnnza

Rochester, PA

#11 Jan 21, 2013
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Prince Velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#12 Jan 21, 2013
CoffinMaker wrote:
Clinton has a very good point here. And the National Review article on why own an AR-15 brings up another good point to be considered. How is owning an AR-15, which is obviously way too much firepower for any normal every day situation (but provides a lot of fun on the shooting range and is of great aesthetic beauty to a gun enthusiast), really any different than owning a Ferrari which has way too much performance for driving on public roads but is a lot of fun on the race track and is of great beauty? There are a lot of people who don't get that.
Government might do well to completely get out of controlling gun sales except for licensing dealers on a voluntary basis. All the other issues including the sale and conveyance of guns should be handled civilly, not criminally or by government regulation, by the following tort reforms enforceable only by private lawsuit.
1. The manufacturer of any firearm used in a crime shall be strictly liable to any victim for any injuries caused by the firearm. It shall be an absolute defense to any such lawsuit that the manufacturer initially sold the firearm in question to a licensed dealer. The burden of proof in establishing to whom the firearm was initially sold shall be on the manufacturer.
2. The Seller (or supplier)of any firearm used in a crime hall be strictly liable to any victim for any injuries caused by the firearm. It shall be an absolute defense to any such lawsuit that the Seller was a licensed dealer and ran a criminal background check on the Buyer or Recipient. The burden of proof in establishing that a background check was run shall be on the Seller.
3. The Owner of any firearm that inflicts injury on another person, even if it used by a person other than the Owner, in any circumstance shall be strictly liable to the victim for any injuries. The owner shall have the following absolute defenses to any such lawsuit:(a) that the firearm was stolen from the Owner and the theft was reported to authorities prior to the incident in question; (b) the firearm was properly secured and stored to prevent its use by unauthorized persons in accordance with a set of gun safety standards to be established in consultation with the NRA, and (c) the firearm was being used in accordance with the aforementioned set of gun safety standards.
"How is owning an AR-15, which is obviously way too much firepower for any normal every day situation"?

What is a normal everyday situation?
Prince Velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#13 Jan 21, 2013
Dem Arrested for Threatening to Shoot Another Lawmaker

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/4216-dem-ar...

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#14 Jan 21, 2013
Prince Velveeta wrote:
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What is a normal everyday situation?
Jeesh, I almost tried to explain normal for you. Instead I decided to try something where I might have some success and attempted to explain particle physics to my son's pet gerbil.
Prince Velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#15 Jan 21, 2013
CoffinMaker wrote:
<quoted text> Jeesh, I almost tried to explain normal for you. Instead I decided to try something where I might have some success and attempted to explain particle physics to my son's pet gerbil.
Answer the question, What is a "normal amount"? You insult because you can't articulate that without backing yourself into a corner. BTW, Your liability solution is ridiculous. Think of the payouts of all the victims of the US and your country's illegal banker wars. No?, think about the slippery slope.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#16 Jan 21, 2013
You mean gun owners shouldn't be held accountable when they misuse their freedom to the detriment of others? Come, come...isn't freedom about responsibility? I can't think of a normal situation where the capability of firing 100 seconds per minute is necessary. But that doesn't nean a gun enthusiast shouldn't be stopped from having one. I'm onky saying if they do exercise their right, they have to own up to the consequences when they do so irresponsibly.

I'm advocating total gun freedom with minimal regulation.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#17 Jan 21, 2013
And I apologize to the gerbil for the insult.
Prince Velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#18 Jan 21, 2013
CoffinMaker wrote:
You mean gun owners shouldn't be held accountable when they misuse their freedom to the detriment of others? Come, come...isn't freedom about responsibility? I can't think of a normal situation where the capability of firing 100 seconds per minute is necessary. But that doesn't nean a gun enthusiast shouldn't be stopped from having one. I'm onky saying if they do exercise their right, they have to own up to the consequences when they do so irresponsibly.
I'm advocating total gun freedom with minimal regulation.
People do get sued and compensated for irresponsible firearm use. We have more consequences than any other first world nation that I know of. I knew a family who lost their house and savings because of their mischievous child maimed another neighbor with a firearm.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#19 Jan 21, 2013
Prince Velveeta wrote:
<quoted text> People do get sued and compensated for irresponsible firearm use. We have more consequences than any other first world nation that I know of. I knew a family who lost their house and savings because of their mischievous child maimed another neighbor with a firearm.
It is meet and right that they do so. The neighbor was entitled to recompense for their neighbors' failure to keep firearms out of the hands of the mischievous child. As I said before, true freedom includes the weight of responsibility.

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#20 Jan 22, 2013
Prince Velveeta wrote:
<quoted text> We have more consequences than any other first world nation that I know of.
I can't believe this assertion.
We have close to the most lenient gun laws.
Surely those with tighter regulation... have greater punishments.

Can you cite a source of information on this?

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