Grim Implications of Nov6 LGBT "Protections" bill.

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AdamAcronym

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#1 Sep 23, 2012
These bills are being passed elsewhere, too. These bills are the brainchild of thin-skinned, socially-irresponsible gay activists who use it as a tool, a stepping stone to amass ever-increasing power and entitilement in society.

This bill serves to distort the magnitude of the actual threat faced by LGBTs by manufacturing a crisis and playing on your empathy - like this homosexual for example, who got busted for this type of fraud: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/another-fake...

The implications of these kinds of bills are grim and overreaching, often restricting and ostricizing your Christian values from the public sector, and for example, would level harsh penalties upon a Christian book store owner who objected to hiring a cross-dressing man in a wig and a dress. The scenarios these kinds of bills would enable boggle the mind, as reported here:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/massachusett...

Vote "Yes" on the repeal of the non-discrimination/gender identity bill in Salina Nov. 6th.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#2 Oct 9, 2012
AdamAcronym wrote:
These bills are being passed elsewhere, too. These bills are the brainchild of thin-skinned, socially-irresponsible gay activists who use it as a tool, a stepping stone to amass ever-increasing power and entitilement in society.
Including your own city of Austin, where such protections have been on the books for the last eight years. Austin is nearly 20x the size of Salina, yet the sky hasn't fallen in any way you predict for us. How is that possible?
AdamAcronym wrote:
This bill serves to distort the magnitude of the actual threat faced by LGBTs by manufacturing a crisis and playing on your empathy - like this homosexual for example, who got busted for this type of fraud: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/another-fake...
Congratulations, you found one person who reported a false hate crime and use it rationalize away the many very real ones which occur each year. The existence of irrational bigots such as yourself prove the need for such protections being extended on the basis of sexual orientation and/or gender identity and expression. Given the opportunity to discriminate, people like you always will.
AdamAcronym wrote:
The implications of these kinds of bills are grim and overreaching, often restricting and ostricizing your Christian values from the public sector, and for example, would level harsh penalties upon a Christian book store owner who objected to hiring a cross-dressing man in a wig and a dress. The scenarios these kinds of bills would enable boggle the mind, as reported here:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/massachusett...
Vote "Yes" on the repeal of the non-discrimination/gender identity bill in Salina Nov. 6th.
Gee, not even the allegedly good Catholics behind Lifesite News could come up with a single instance where grim and overreaching consequences have taken place as a result of enacting such a law, ANYWHERE. I wonder why you have to rely on the hypothetical nightmares? Could it be that in reality, none have EVER come true anywhere such laws have passed? You don't have to answer, we already know the answer. The truth is against you and all you have left are lies.

Don't fall for the lies of bigots trying to rationalize discrimination and hate, vote NO on repeal.
Tom

Harlingen, TX

#4 Oct 13, 2012
Subjective, overreaching, dramatized dismissals for the effect of whitewashing the Constitutionally-destructive legacy of gay activism is your mission - not one of embracement of facts.

The gay "protections" bill is but a solution in search of a problem. The magnitude, and nature of the threat you and your activist brethren face is not of tangible, objective harm. The only "protections" you are after are protections from criticism by those wary of your gay agenda, and the true motives of why you're lobbying for such bills as this.
Tom

Harlingen, TX

#5 Oct 13, 2012
Here are some cases that reflect the grim aftermath of gay marriage and other gay "rights" bills forced upon society.

State-enforced accomodation of the fickle demands of the gay rights lobby supercedes People's religious freedom. The following are those who's Constitutional freedoms were sacrificed on the altar of gay "rights":

Alberta, Canada Pastor Stephen Boissoin was fined $ 7,000, ordered to publicly apologize, and forbid to express his views on homosexuality in any public forum. His crime? He wrote a letter to the editor, criticizing the gay-indoctrination of kids as young as 5 in Canada schools.

Scott Eckern, artistic director of a California Musical Theater, was forced to resign for donating 1000 dollars to the traditional marriage cause on the basis of his religious beliefs.

e-harmony.com , a Christian-based matchmaking organization, was forced to pay a total of 55,000 dollars and give free memberships to 10,000 gays, all because it refused to deviate from it's business model of joining people for heterosexual marriages.

Materpiece Cake Shop in Colorado, faces death threats, slander, and boycotts just because the Christian owner refuses to bake gay-themed wedding cakes (although he will make any other sort of cake for a gay customer).

Seton Medical Center, a California Catholic hospital, had to pay $200,000 settlement for denying breast-augmentation surgery to a transexual patient on the grounds it violated their religious conscience to do so.

New Mexico Christian photography owner Elaine Huguenin, of Elane Photography, was sued for 6,600 dollars for refusing to photograph a lesbian civil committment ceremony on the basis of her Christian faith.

Christian Julea Ward was kicked out of her Michigan counselling program for refusing to give gay-affirming therapy to a gay couple.

In Lexington Ky, Apparel company Hands On Originals is being sued for declining to print up the t-shirts for the gay pride parade there, but referring the clients to someone who would at the same price. They are now being sued, as well as having a massive, organized boycott against them, orchestrated by that city's gay activist Mayor.

Boy Scouts of America. After affirming traditional values by excluding open homosexuality, the powerful gay lobby and the has put forth an aggressive, militant effort to public pressure on any organization that supports the scouts to drop them. The Scouts are now being routinely denied financial contributions and denied use of facilities and other services they once had access to.

Jim Walder of the TimberCreek bed-and-breakfast, is being sued for declining to host a gay civil unions ceremony at his privately-owned business on the basis of his religious beliefs.

Angela McCaskill, a deaf African-American and 23-year veteran of Gallaudet University, was put on Adminsistative leave by the University's President after it was learned that McCaskill signed a petition at her church to reverse Maryland's same-sex marriage law. The gay self-appointed arbitors of "tolerance" - even a disabled Black female will not be spared their wrath.

Gay British actor, Rupert Everett, had to seek help from police for death threats after he made a comment that he "...could think of nothing worse than being brought up by two gay dads."

New york Senator Ruben Diaz was forced to seek help from the F.B.I for death threats he was getting, and for aggressive demonstrations at his house, along with family members being stalked - all for being the lone Democratic holdout on an affirmative gay marriage vote in that state.

Alan Parker of Massechusettes was ruled against by that State's Supreme Court when he protested not having the right to be notified of, and opt out his kindergarten son from gay-affirming lessons at school. Parker was thrown in jail and spent over $200,000 in legal expenses only to be ruled against. The precedent that the Court cited for justifying gay lessons to kindergarteners? Gay marriage.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#6 Oct 13, 2012
Tom wrote:
Subjective, overreaching, dramatized dismissals for the effect of whitewashing the Constitutionally-destructive legacy of gay activism is your mission - not one of embracement of facts.
"Constitutionally-destruc tive legacy", Gracie? Hyperbolic nonsense tossed out there as if it were a given, not needing anything as inconvenient as proof. What should I expect from someone so desperate to rationalize their irrationality, facts, reason?
Tom wrote:
The gay "protections" bill is but a solution in search of a problem. The magnitude, and nature of the threat you and your activist brethren face is not of tangible, objective harm. The only "protections" you are after are protections from criticism by those wary of your gay agenda, and the true motives of why you're lobbying for such bills as this.
Sweetie, I know you've somehow managed to delude yourself into believing that you know what you are talking about, but the reality is that you can't even fake having a clue. The need for these amendments to our existing human rights ordinance was proved to our elected officials who approved the ordinance. They heard both sides of the issue and the majority of the council agreed that not only does a very real problem exist, it needs to be addressed. Sorry. Buttercup, all will continue to enjoy their freedom and right to criticize the lgbt folk once the voters reject the appeal, just as they enjoy the freedom and the right to criticize others on the basis of their race, religion, sex, ethnicity, etc, you know, the groups already protected by the ordinance.
Tom

Harlingen, TX

#7 Oct 13, 2012
Members of those other enumerations (race, religion, sex, etc.) aren't aggressively lobbying to gut the status-quo with otrusive, overreaching legislation and social mandates that WILL FORCE affimation of their lifestyle under penalty of law.

You kind is aggressively engaged in this. I've demonstrated in the above examples.

What rouge activists must always deftly downplay in the lobbying of these bills is how The First Amendment protects the right to "free association". This right prohibits the government from burdening the right to associate with like-minded people to further shared goals and beliefs.

This Constituional freedom is what makes it legal for a Christian bookstore to deny employment to a cross-dresser. Lets face it, you want that bookstore owner to be forced to.

Your forthcoming attacks on me are so predictable I could set my watch to them. You're swimming upstream. "Attack the messenger" is the only available debate stance, for discounting the merits of your adversary and refuting them with logical, legal, egalitarian rationale is impossibe and non-existant to you.

You are a footsoldier of the gay lobby, a self-appointed intolerane-enforcer.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#8 Oct 13, 2012
Tom wrote:
Alberta, Canada Pastor Stephen Boissoin was fined $ 7,000, ordered to publicly apologize, and forbid to express his views on homosexuality in any public forum. His crime? He wrote a letter to the editor, criticizing the gay-indoctrination of kids as young as 5 in Canada schools.
That decision by Alberta's Human Rights Commission was overturned the first time in Court as a violation of the concerned Pastor's rights. Mistakes happen and if you read the good Pastor's letter, included in the link below, you might see where his right to be a God blamed homophobe might not stretch quite as far as he wanted to pull it.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/04/1...
Tom wrote:
Scott Eckern, artistic director of a California Musical Theater, was forced to resign for donating 1000 dollars to the traditional marriage cause on the basis of his religious beliefs.
Not according to Eckern himself:
http://www.playbill.com/news/article/123270-E... -
Tom wrote:
e-harmony.com, a Christian-based matchmaking organization, was forced to pay a total of 55,000 dollars and give free memberships to 10,000 gays, all because it refused to deviate from it's business model of joining people for heterosexual marriages.
Sorry, but their heterosexuals only business model is a problematic one if they wish to sell memberships in locations with laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. E'Harmony was of the mistaken assumption that their lack of a brick and mortar presence and God's alleged blessing would exempt them from the law. Just so everyone knows, under the law, a website with a homosexuals only business model would face similar sanctions depending on the magnitude of their violation of the law. Nice try though.
Tom wrote:
Materpiece Cake Shop in Colorado, faces death threats, slander, and boycotts just because the Christian owner refuses to bake gay-themed wedding cakes (although he will make any other sort of cake for a gay customer).
I imagine that Dave Mullin, and Charlie Craig have faced similar threats and harassment since coming forward with how badly they were treated by the store's owner. Although the owner's actions would seem to be in violation of state law, no complaint has been filed against him with the Division of Civil Rights.
Tom wrote:
Seton Medical Center, a California Catholic hospital, had to pay $200,000 settlement for denying breast-augmentation surgery to a transexual patient on the grounds it violated their religious conscience to do so.
Both state and federal law protects medical professionals and hospitals from being forced to perform medical procedures which are against their religious beliefs, but breast augmentation, for Seton Hospital, was not against their beliefs. Claiming that a belief only applies to certain individuals simply doesn't fly under the law. Seton Hospital has changed their policy against surgeries relating to sexual reassignment.
Tom wrote:
New Mexico Christian photography owner Elaine Huguenin, of Elane Photography, was sued for 6,600 dollars for refusing to photograph a lesbian civil committment ceremony on the basis of her Christian faith.
Elaine Huguenin was not sued, a complaint was filed against her with the state's Human Rights Commission over the less than thoughtful and polite way in which she chose to decline their business. The Commission fined her $6600 and change for violating the state's Human Rights Act. Huguenin has since sued the Commission for allegedly violating her right to her religious beliefs. She recently lost at trial in federal court.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#9 Oct 13, 2012
Tom wrote:
Christian Julea Ward was kicked out of her Michigan counselling program for refusing to give gay-affirming therapy to a gay couple.
She was kicked out of the program for violating the Code of Ethics of the American Counseling Association for refusing treatment. She lost in state courts and her case was initially dismissed in summary judgment against her, but that has since been overturned and her case will now go to trial.
Tom wrote:
In Lexington Ky, Apparel company Hands On Originals is being sued for declining to print up the t-shirts for the gay pride parade there, but referring the clients to someone who would at the same price. They are now being sued, as well as having a massive, organized boycott against them, orchestrated by that city's gay activist Mayor.
A complaint was filed with the city's Human Rights Commission, not a lawsuit, after Hands On Originals, which submitted the low bid for the order when they were initially contacted to print the shirts, refused to do any work for a gay group because they were a Christian company. The case is still in the mediation stage.
Tom wrote:
Boy Scouts of America. After affirming traditional values by excluding open homosexuality, the powerful gay lobby and the has put forth an aggressive, militant effort to public pressure on any organization that supports the scouts to drop them. The Scouts are now being routinely denied financial contributions and denied use of facilities and other services they once had access to.
They have no one to blame but themselves, if they are going to engage in discrimination and bigotry, those who are on the receiving end of it shall not remain silent. In Great Britain, where the Scouting program was developed, both sex and sexual orientation discrimination has been prohibited for years. Their membership is stable and even growing, while in this country, it's declining.
Tom wrote:
Jim Walder of the TimberCreek bed-and-breakfast, is being sued for declining to host a gay civil unions ceremony at his privately-owned business on the basis of his religious beliefs.
A complaint was filed with the state's Attorney General alleging a violation of the state's Human Rights Act, to date, no charges have been filed and neither has a lawsuit.
http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/201...
Tom wrote:
Angela McCaskill, a deaf African-American and 23-year veteran of Gallaudet University, was put on Adminsistative leave by the University's President after it was learned that McCaskill signed a petition at her church to reverse Maryland's same-sex marriage law. The gay self-appointed arbitors of "tolerance" - even a disabled Black female will not be spared their wrath.
Strange, those leading the effort to bring marriage equality to Maryland have called for her reinstatement.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#10 Oct 13, 2012
Tom wrote:
Gay British actor, Rupert Everett, had to seek help from police for death threats after he made a comment that he "...could think of nothing worse than being brought up by two gay dads."
There are press reports where Everett claims to have received death threats relating to his comments, none state that these threats have been reported to the police.
Tom wrote:
New york Senator Ruben Diaz was forced to seek help from the F.B.I for death threats he was getting, and for aggressive demonstrations at his house, along with family members being stalked - all for being the lone Democratic holdout on an affirmative gay marriage vote in that state.
Diaz claims that he received death threats and was working with police and the FBI in response have never been confirmed and no one has been charged or even accused.
Tom wrote:
Alan Parker of Massechusettes was ruled against by that State's Supreme Court when he protested not having the right to be notified of, and opt out his kindergarten son from gay-affirming lessons at school. Parker was thrown in jail and spent over $200,000 in legal expenses only to be ruled against. The precedent that the Court cited for justifying gay lessons to kindergarteners? Gay marriage.
Alan Parker, who was working with the anti-Gay hate group MassResistance on this publicity stunt/lawsuit lost not just at the Massachusetts Supreme Court, but EVERY Court on the state and federal level that was given the opportunity to hear his absurd claim that any mention of homosexuals and/or homosexuality constituted sex education and therefore covered by the state's notification and opt out law.
Tom

Harlingen, TX

#11 Oct 14, 2012
Subjective, shamelessly-biased refutals of an agenda-ridden person desperate to protect and preserve a facade.

Your details of the refutals are lacking, shallow, and opinionated, and my observation that you're like a headline-grabbing left-wing sternographer is affirmed. And I noticed your desperation to seize on technicalities so to avoid acknowledging the unsettling implications of each individuals' plight. Epic fail.

This laundry-list of victims speaks for itself, despite your desperate face-saving endeavor.

I too was very nearly on that list, but slipped through the fingers of the intolerance-enforcers.

One more example, Matt Barber of a fortune-400 company, was fired for writing an article critical of homosexuality, on his own time, on his own computer.

Pastor Scott Lively was sued for battery for using resonable force to eject a trespasser at a private conference he was in in Oregon. Lively was hit with a $4,000 settlement.

The grave injustices perpetrated against these two men mobilized them in a most formiddable way, and now they are the biggest whistleblowers against the sordid methods and motives of the gay lobby.

Crime and injustice perpetuated against myself by homosexuals also motivated me. And when -a----s like you get on public forums and employ all your verbal abuse and viciousness, it makes me step up my workrate in something that has become my expertise. So, make a good showing for your lot, if you know what I mean.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#12 Oct 15, 2012
Tom wrote:
Subjective, shamelessly-biased refutals of an agenda-ridden person desperate to protect and preserve a facade.
Your details of the refutals are lacking, shallow, and opinionated, and my observation that you're like a headline-grabbing left-wing sternographer is affirmed. And I noticed your desperation to seize on technicalities so to avoid acknowledging the unsettling implications of each individuals' plight. Epic fail.
This laundry-list of victims speaks for itself, despite your desperate face-saving endeavor.
I too was very nearly on that list, but slipped through the fingers of the intolerance-enforcers.
One more example, Matt Barber of a fortune-400 company, was fired for writing an article critical of homosexuality, on his own time, on his own computer.
Pastor Scott Lively was sued for battery for using resonable force to eject a trespasser at a private conference he was in in Oregon. Lively was hit with a $4,000 settlement.
The grave injustices perpetrated against these two men mobilized them in a most formiddable way, and now they are the biggest whistleblowers against the sordid methods and motives of the gay lobby.
Crime and injustice perpetuated against myself by homosexuals also motivated me. And when -a----s like you get on public forums and employ all your verbal abuse and viciousness, it makes me step up my workrate in something that has become my expertise. So, make a good showing for your lot, if you know what I mean.
I'm sorry that the facts got in the way of your perfectly good anti-gay rant and pathetic attempt to claim that innocent Christians are being thrown to ho-mo-SEX-u-all lions. I'm sorry that you got caught attempting to maliciously mischaracterize each of these stories in furtherance of your own agenda. I'm sorry that you were unable to to come up with any actual evidence that one word I said, or one link I gave was false and had to rely on nothing but empty rhetoric. I'm sorry that you believe that I don't deserve equal treatment under the law, for no other reason than the fact that you and your alleged God can't get over your homoerotic fantasies about my sex life. I'm sorry that you've been reduced to some of the lamest talking points of the anti-gay right.

I hadn't heard of the Scott Lively incident of which you speak and you offer no link to any proof, of course. I'd look it up, but it's Scott Lively, one of the driving voices behind the kill the gays "Christian" movement in Africa for crying out loud, author of one of the creepiest attempts at historical revisionism ever written and professional hater of the f's.

Reality check, these good Christian business owners (the photographer told the couple that they were going to hell and the owner of the inn sent at least one unsolicited email with his favorite anti-gay Bible verses to the couple who filed the complaint against him), cannot legally discriminate against ANYONE else named as a suspect class on the basis of their religious beliefs to the contrary, why they imagine that they've got a special exemption when it comes to the Gay folk and your fantasies of their sex lives, is beyond me.

The question before us is this:

Do those who have chosen to believe that people, in this case who just happen to be LGBT, deserve to be legally discriminated against, get the right to do so, simply because they say God says so?

Such a right hasn't been extended to anyone else protected by the state from the sorts of discriminatory acts that these business owners committed. When you think about it, the outcomes for them would have probably been worse for them if they had inflicted their version of God on them because she thought Muslims were going to hell or he thought that God don't approve of the race mixing. Good Christians (et al) have the right to be any kind of bigot that they say God says to be, in the public square however, civil society has placed limits on what we can and cannot do unto others based upon said right.
Alan

Harlingen, TX

#13 Oct 15, 2012
The fact you don't know the Lively case really affirms how intellectually lazy you are, really affirms the "headline-grabbing Sternographer" label. The fact is your knowledge of his involvement in Uganda is right out of the Huffington Post-type headlines. What other critical shortcuts have you employed in refuting my imput in the discussion, one can only guess.

I bet you didn't know Scott Lively took in a former-homosexual-turned-Chris tian who was dying of aids in the last year of that man's life, let him live among his wife and young boys and cared for him. That man was homeless because the apartment complex he was living at consisted of all homosexuals and they got him evicted for playing Christian music in his apartment. Kinda flies in the face of the accepted narrative that paints Christians the intolerant ones. Oh, and Lively went to Uganda to speak to offer ALTERNATIVE options for treating homosexuals there instead of the longstanding law that had penalties as harsh as the death penalty (Uganda law has the harshest punishments but almost never employs them) WHat happened is Uganda leaders chose not to take lively's advice and went ahead with putting the death penalty option back into the law.

My gay agenda victim list speaks for itself, regardless if I erred in some irrealevent, subtle nuance.

You and other gay activists' overt displays of maliciousness are above and beyond what any true Christian expresses toward homosexuals. Your standard for illustrating and confirm their hatred is by them merely saying that homosexuality is morally wrong ("the truth is hate to those who hate the truth")- that's your evidence that Christians are about nothing but organized, regulated bigotry.

But gay activists' expression of hatred and bigotry are REAL, OVERT hatred. In public forums you people are just GUSHING with defamatory, derrogatory, villifying, profane, nasty and abusive rhetoric. You throw bricks at churches. Slash tires of people with bumper stickers you don't agree with. You make it a point to organize and loudly publish the list of donors and signature signers of bills that hinder your agenda to get them blacklisted and boycotted. You purposefully seek out reputedly-Christian businesses to make examples of them, try to force their hand so you can drag them into costly litigation.

In the youtube video "attacked by tolerance", you are caught macing people and hitting them in the head with beer bottles simply because you disagreed with the message of the sign they're holding up.

I read quotes and speaches from both sides of the arguement, and it's the gays who are the very personification of the hate and intolerance of those they claim to abhor. For this, you've already abdicated any chance of "noble victimhood". You are all revolutionary facists who will spare Noone in your drive to sacrifice everybody on the altar of your rights.

(Real) Christians have a consistant narrative on this issue. The narrative of the gays' morphs and evolves whenever it is politically expedient or convenient. You employ incendiary rhetoric to exaggerate your victimhood, piggybacking it onto the Civil Rights movement to elicit a knee-jerk response, empathy-mongering to elicit feelings of shame this country still has for it's oppression of blacks.

There is no gay gene. There is no immutable characteristic to justify a suspect classification. The merits of your plight come down to embellishment and glamorization of a behavior that is condemned by every major religion. Your very personhood does not rest on your sexuality, nor does mine rest on my heterosexuality. That arguement is a farce, a con-job.

Your's is a sin movement. And to quote one Black pastor, "Dont compare your sin to my skin".
Alan

Harlingen, TX

#14 Oct 15, 2012
Some other additions to the gay agenda victim list:

Arizona Gov. Susannah Martinez was denied service at Antonio's hair salon for having previously made her views in support of traditional marriage public.

Senator Stacey Campfield was refused service ejected from a restaurant for having previously made statements critical of homosexuality in the media.

WHERE IS THEIR "EQUALITY"

They should be "equal" and get to sue and have an aggressive boycott formed against those businesses, just like if the roles were reversed, right? WRONG!!

For on this issue, there is no real "equality", but faux equality, UNILATERAL equality, where the door swings but one way - in the direction foreward for the gays, but against the direction of peoples right to oppose. There's your "equality" folks, that thing gays are constantly campaigning on.

ANd this is why, THIS IS WHY, gays lack noble victimhood to justify the dramatic changes in the law they're demanding.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#15 Oct 15, 2012
Actually dear, you were lucky that I was too lazy to bother to look up another of your alleged horror stories, finding out the truth wasn't the least bit helpful to your cause. Lively and his good Christian friends at the Oregon Citizens Association, were sued for using excessive force in ejecting a photographer trying to get a sneak peak at their anti-gay ad campaign. The jury found that he had shoved her against a wall and had dragged her twenty feet by her arm after she had fallen to the floor during their scuffle. She was awarded $20k, the defendants appeal was rejected. They got off lucky.

What is it that you would like to know about the Kampala Conference that Lively was the headline attraction for? How he claimed that all homosexuals were pedophiles and were to blame for the rise of Naziism in Germany and genocide right next door in Rwanda? How he knew he was taking his freaked out show to a country already prone to ugly fits of anti-gay hysteria resulting in deaths? How he issued an open invitation to the members of the country's Parliament to his quasi-science fiction/quasi-Christian conference on the perils of homosexuality? How he declined to discuss the subject of going all old testament on the homosexual, spoke in favor of the current law which mandated up to life in prison, but hoped they would consider forced conversion therapy to it. How when the "kill the gays" bill arose from the flames of the paranoia he helped fan the flames of, he took an, if that's what they want to do, he doesn't interfere?

Long story short, Lively has made a career of hating homosexuals and convincing others to hate them too, through any means necessary.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#16 Oct 15, 2012
As to the rest of your attempt to rationalize your hatred of me and those like me, for no other reason than your problems with your own ugly homoerotic fantasies about what you claim our "sins" to be, nice try, but I'm not biting.

The question remains, why do you want the legal right to discriminate against me? That and should I be permitted to do unto you as you propose doing unto me?
Alan

Harlingen, TX

#17 Oct 15, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Actually dear, you were lucky that I was too lazy to bother to look up another of your alleged horror stories, finding out the truth wasn't the least bit helpful to your cause. Lively and his good Christian friends at the Oregon Citizens Association, were sued for using excessive force in ejecting a photographer trying to get a sneak peak at their anti-gay ad campaign. The jury found that he had shoved her against a wall and had dragged her twenty feet by her arm after she had fallen to the floor during their scuffle. She was awarded $20k, the defendants appeal was rejected. They got off lucky.
What is it that you would like to know about the Kampala Conference that Lively was the headline attraction for? How he claimed that all homosexuals were pedophiles and were to blame for the rise of Naziism in Germany and genocide right next door in Rwanda? How he knew he was taking his freaked out show to a country already prone to ugly fits of anti-gay hysteria resulting in deaths? How he issued an open invitation to the members of the country's Parliament to his quasi-science fiction/quasi-Christian conference on the perils of homosexuality? How he declined to discuss the subject of going all old testament on the homosexual, spoke in favor of the current law which mandated up to life in prison, but hoped they would consider forced conversion therapy to it. How when the "kill the gays" bill arose from the flames of the paranoia he helped fan the flames of, he took an, if that's what they want to do, he doesn't interfere?
Long story short, Lively has made a career of hating homosexuals and convincing others to hate them too, through any means necessary.
No it's clear you never got the Lively story from an objective source. You flubbed the details, big-time. And your over-the-top hyperbole dramatizations are showing clearer and clearer, And I'm beginning to see cracks in the foundation of your rationale, but I am also being reminded why gays have simply dissappeared when myself and Mantronik began engaging them fully in debate, and taking them to task on the merits of their arguements.

The rediculous parade of witnesses that "Bull Dyke" kept summoning really blew it for them, made them lose their credibility. They were going for 200,000 and only got rewarded 5,000, and that's because the district attorney accidently-on-purpose "misplaced" the document where the plaintiff admitted in her initial statement to trespassing there.

And the gays ARE responsible for the Nazi party, where have you been living, under a rock? Ernst Rohm got the whole thing going, all the while getting it done on the downlow with a croupe of masculine homos, while simultaneously imprisoning effiminite homosexuals in work camps, somtimes working them to death (and NOT killing them outright just because they're gay, as the commonly accepted story goes) Rohm and a couple others then recruited a series of boys through molestation, one among them was the infamous Harry Hay.

I will say I disagree with Lively's proposal to the Ugandans. No (adult) should be forced to undergo therapy because their country arrested them for homosexual behavior (oh and another common myth: Uganda doesn't arrest them simply for the gay identity, only when they get caught for homosexual behavior). And another thing you must know: Uganda reserves the death penalty for STRAIGHTS who molest girls! That Kampala conference was convened to envision some similar protections to protect their boy counterparts. And that's just right off the top of my head.
Alan

Harlingen, TX

#18 Oct 15, 2012
Uhh - 2nd paragrph referrs to the Lively plantiff, and no no 5,000, 4,000

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#19 Oct 16, 2012
That was quite the display of mental masturbation on your part, but with all that fluttering of your hands to distract the audience, you forgot to answer the question.

Why do you want the legal right to discriminate against me?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#20 Oct 16, 2012
Just so you know, as worded, The Anti-Homosexuality Bill, 2009, called for the death penalty for any third conviction under the law.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-conte...

Part III, section 7, aiding and abating homosexuality, makes it theoretically possible to put someone to death for 'homosexuality' who not only isn't "homosexual", but also has never even committed a "homosexual" act as defined under the law.

Thankfully the Ugandan Parliament is pretty much a chaotic mess that has bigger problems to not cope very well with and the few in the body that have anything resembling a conscience have managed to keep this homo hunt to a simmer on the back burner. There are those who try to drag it back to the fore every now and again (like the attempt last week to have the Congress of the African Union approve a condemnation of homosexuality and a suggestion that all nations on the continent make their laws tougher), but since all it manages to do is provoke international outrage and threats to the transfusions keeping the country alive, they find other thinks to not do anything about.
Alan

Harlingen, TX

#22 Oct 16, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
That was quite the display of mental masturbation on your part, but with all that fluttering of your hands to distract the audience, you forgot to answer the question.
Why do you want the legal right to discriminate against me?
Because you are a footsoldier in an army of revolutionaries who have a clear track record of being the biggest threat to christianity and American values than anyone else in History.

"Revolutionaries", in that you're seeking to radically transform the culture to accomodate something condemned by every major world religion, something demonstrably and objectively socially-harmful.

Homosexuality is the only sin that is garishly celebrated and promoted. Christians are periodically busted for their own dirty closets - their own proclivities, but there's a huge difference: Christians don't let the occaisional lifestyle calamity , the occaisional fall from grace, define their very identity as a human being. Homosexuals do, though. And their mission is to pass this philosophy on to the next generation.

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