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Horrified

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#1 Dec 18, 2012
I am so horrified, by what I hear from salemites and read on this site. Twenty children are horribly murdered, and your first reaction is "stay away from my guns!" The president goes to comfort the grieving families and your response is "how dare that n***** interrupt my football!" Do you have no decency?

If your child were in a collision and the other driver were only concerned with his paint job, how would you feel? If the president had said nothing about this tragedy, would you be happier?

How did there get to be so many people in this town with no sense of empathy?

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#2 Dec 18, 2012
Horrified wrote:
I am so horrified, by what I hear from salemites and read on this site. Twenty children are horribly murdered, and your first reaction is "stay away from my guns!" The president goes to comfort the grieving families and your response is "how dare that n***** interrupt my football!" Do you have no decency?
If your child were in a collision and the other driver were only concerned with his paint job, how would you feel? If the president had said nothing about this tragedy, would you be happier?
How did there get to be so many people in this town with no sense of empathy?
Unfortunately, its not only our town but most of our nation. We have become polarized to the point where every issue is made political which takes away the humanity of it. The last generation grew up post 9/11 where we have been involved in war, death and terrorist threats every day with thug life dominating the music scene, I do what I want attitudes, playing first person violent killing video games, both parents working outside the home too busy and too tired for sit down to eat and talk dinners...How would we have ended up any other way?
Keep our rights

Jefferson City, MO

#3 Dec 18, 2012
Horrified wrote:
I am so horrified, by what I hear from salemites and read on this site. Twenty children are horribly murdered, and your first reaction is "stay away from my guns!" The president goes to comfort the grieving families and your response is "how dare that n***** interrupt my football!" Do you have no decency?
If your child were in a collision and the other driver were only concerned with his paint job, how would you feel? If the president had said nothing about this tragedy, would you be happier?
How did there get to be so many people in this town with no sense of empathy?
why do you assume people have no sense of empathy? Immediately after the CT massacre, Obama and Bloomberg and the likes started talking about more gun control. Gun rights people are just reacting to their response. I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. That does not make me any less empathetic. People get very emotional after incidents like this. That does not make gun control laws any more effective.
Salemite

Rolla, MO

#4 Dec 18, 2012
Keep our rights wrote:
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why do you assume people have no sense of empathy? Immediately after the CT massacre, Obama and Bloomberg and the likes started talking about more gun control. Gun rights people are just reacting to their response. I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. That does not make me any less empathetic. People get very emotional after incidents like this. That does not make gun control laws any more effective.
I have not heard the president say anything about gun control. Bill O'reilly said the same thing last night and he is not exactly an Obama supporter. Every clear thinking person realizes that banning guns is not the answer, but some limitations are needed.

If you listen to some from Dent County you need 30 rounds and night optics to kill a deer. In my day a 30/30 with one shot and 100,000 candle power light would do the trick.
Horrified

United States

#5 Dec 18, 2012
Keep our rights wrote:
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why do you assume people have no sense of empathy? Immediately after the CT massacre, Obama and Bloomberg and the likes started talking about more gun control. Gun rights people are just reacting to their response. I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. That does not make me any less empathetic. People get very emotional after incidents like this. That does not make gun control laws any more effective.
I own a gun myself, and I intend to go on doing so. When I first heard about Sandy Hook I had to question this though, i don't see how I could not, if giving up my old 30-30 meant this would never happen again I would do it, I wouldn't be happy about it but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Of course 30-30s are seldom used for crimes or massacres, not all guns are created equal, and different types call for different approaches. I would like someone to explain to me why in Gods name we need people running around with .223 ASSAULT RIFLES like to the one Lanza used to kill a room full of babies? Why can't we do background checks for EVERY sale? Why can't we ban 30+ round magazines? If you're out hunting and you miss 29 times you should probably have just stayed home, that extra bullet isn't going to matter. When do you need a semiauto rifle with 30 rounds to defend yourself? Did you piss off a small country somewhere?

The NRA and the right-wing ideologues are the real enemies of gun owners, they feed their audience a steady stream of venomous lies and make divisive issues out of measures that should be no-brainers. The vast majority of Americans don't want to ban all guns, they want to ban a few guns and regulate sales and ownership. If the NRA and compatriots keep up their absolutist mantra, if they keep obstructing all attempts to do something about this, if this keeps happening, eventually they (and you) will wake up in a world where most of their fellow citizens no longer believe in gun-ownership at all. The thing about that kind of absolutism, saying "all guns or no guns!" is that eventually the no guns option is going to start looking pretty good. Especially in six and seven year olds aren't safe in their classroom anymore.

But the thing that really gets to me, right at the pit of my soul, is that so many people hear that 20 children are murdered isn't " oh my God! How horrible! It's "oh my God! They might take my guns!"

People are more important than things. And at the end of the day a gun is nothing but property.
Salemite

Rolla, MO

#6 Dec 18, 2012
Horrified wrote:
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I own a gun myself, and I intend to go on doing so. When I first heard about Sandy Hook I had to question this though, i don't see how I could not, if giving up my old 30-30 meant this would never happen again I would do it, I wouldn't be happy about it but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Of course 30-30s are seldom used for crimes or massacres, not all guns are created equal, and different types call for different approaches. I would like
someone to explain to me why in Gods name we need people running around with .223 ASSAULT RIFLES like to the one Lanza used to kill a room full of babies? Why can't we do background checks for EVERY sale? Why can't we ban 30+ round magazines? If you're out hunting and you miss 29 times you should probably have just stayed home, that extra bullet isn't going to matter. When do you need a semiauto rifle with 30 rounds to defend yourself? Did you piss off a small country somewhere?
The NRA and the right-wing ideologues are the real enemies of gun owners, they feed their
audience a steady stream of venomous lies and make divisive issues out of measures that should be no-brainers. The vast majority of Americans don't want to ban all guns, they want to ban a few guns and regulate sales and ownership. If the NRA and compatriots keep up their absolutist
mantra, if they keep obstructing all attempts to do something about this, if this keeps happening, eventually they (and you) will wake up in a world where most of their fellow citizens no longer believe in gun-ownership at all. The thing about that kind of absolutism, saying "all guns or no guns!" is that eventually the no guns option is going to start looking pretty good. Especially in six and seven year olds aren't safe in their classroom anymore.
But the thing that really gets to me, right at the
pit of my soul, is that so many people hear that 20 children are murdered isn't " oh my God! How horrible! It's "oh my God! They might take my guns!"
People are more important than things. And at the end of the day a gun is nothing but property.
Very well stated, there is middle ground on which an answer can be found. Both extremes will not listen, but some compromise in the middle would work. We were able to feed and heat West Berlin and put a man on the moon, we are a country that solves problems and what is a bigger problem than our kids being murdered whether in a school or on the street.
John

Belton, MO

#7 Dec 18, 2012
Salemite wrote:
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I have not heard the president say anything about gun control. Bill O'reilly said the same thing last night and he is not exactly an Obama supporter. Every clear thinking person realizes that banning guns is not the answer, but some limitations are needed.
If you listen to some from Dent County you need 30 rounds and night optics to kill a deer. In my day a 30/30 with one shot and 100,000 candle power light would do the trick.
You need to watch more news. President Obama talked about revisiting the assault weapons ban in one of the presidential debates before this happened. The number of rounds in the clip had little influence on the outcome of this sad situation.
Salemite

Salem, MO

#8 Dec 18, 2012
John wrote:
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You need to watch more news. President Obama talked about revisiting the assault weapons ban in one of the presidential debates before this happened. The number of rounds in the clip had little influence on the outcome of this sad situation.
So why do we need assault rifle with a high capacity clip?

Since: Mar 12

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#9 Dec 18, 2012
For the love of God kids, clips are what hold rounds until they are loaded into the magazine. It's the high capacity mags you are wanting to bitch about. And no, there probably isn't a single valid reason for a civilian to own one, but like the old rich guys riding Harleys some guys get their rocks off on shooting one, and this is America. We were founded by a bunch of hard headed rebels who wanted to do things freely their own way, and I don't see that it has changed much. Mental health background checks and trigger locks when not in use should make everyone happy here no?
Salemite

Salem, MO

#10 Dec 18, 2012
salem guy wrote:
For the love of God kids, clips are what hold rounds until they are loaded into the magazine. It's the high capacity mags you are wanting to bitch about. And no, there probably isn't a single valid reason for a civilian to own one, but like the old rich guys riding Harleys some guys get their rocks off on shooting one, and this is America. We were founded by a bunch of hard headed rebels who wanted to do things freely their own way, and I don't see that it has changed much. Mental
health background checks and trigger locks when not in use should make everyone happy here no?
Clip is slang just like Harley is slang Mental health checks would be a good start. I don't want to give upy guns either but there has to be some change in the way things are now.

Since: Mar 12

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#11 Dec 18, 2012
Lets all take a deep breath here. Nobody wants dead kids, on that we all agree. Mental health background checks and trigger locks are in my mind perfect solution to this problem.
Oh Dear

AOL

#12 Dec 18, 2012
who has even asked for all guns to be given up? I've never heard that. Not one time have I heard that. Nobody wants to come in and take everybody's guns away from them. That's ludicrous. Just some kind of control, not total abolishment.
Somebody please tell me who exactly has said they want to take all your guns away from you?

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#13 Dec 18, 2012
I haven't said a word about anyone taking any kind of guns away...? Who are you wanting to argue with? I think we kind of agree even maybe...?
Oh Dear

AOL

#14 Dec 18, 2012
OK There's 5 or 6 threads on topix that are so upset I'm sure most are NRA advocates that are in fear that somebody's going to come in and take all their guns. Which is so not true. I've never heard anyone say they want to take all of them away. Some of these fools aren't listening. In the words of Judge Judy, "Shut your mouth,and listen. There's a reason God gave you two ears and only one mouth." Not you of course.
Keep our rights

Jefferson City, MO

#15 Dec 18, 2012
Banning assault rifles or large capacity clips is just the beginning for the gun grabbers. It may sound good at first but it won't have the effect you think it will. If you should ever find yourself in a gun fight, how many rounds do you want your clip to hold? Should we also pass a law about how many clips you can own? Don't think that by outlawing these weapons that they will go away. Such weapons will still be available on the black market.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#16 Dec 18, 2012
Oh Dear wrote:
OK There's 5 or 6 threads on topix that are so upset I'm sure most are NRA advocates that are in fear that somebody's going to come in and take all their guns. Which is so not true. I've never heard anyone say they want to take all of them away. Some of these fools aren't listening. In the words of Judge Judy, "Shut your mouth,and listen. There's a reason God gave you two ears and only one mouth." Not you of course.
All good, I was confused myself
Fargo

Salem, MO

#17 Dec 18, 2012
You folks are sheep, I can smell the matted wool stench from here. Let me ask you all a question. How many kids died in the year between 2003 and 2004 in our schools? Ready for it? 49! Which one of you cared in 2003 or 2004. How many kids have died since 1999? Come on, throw me a bone here, show the concern! The answer, 284! How many of you knew that, or cared two weeks ago. 41 from stabbings since 1999. 130 from shootings, since 1999. 49 suicides, 34 murder/suicides, 16 beaten to death. Know why that doesn't matter, because guns and politics aren't involved. The population of our country is 311,800,000 people. Does anyone want to calculate the percentage of shooting deaths since 1999 for the population. Do you know that shark attacks are higher with 179 between 2006 and 2010. But its those pesky beaches and those crazy folks that want to actually go swimming in the ocean. The chances for a child getting shot in a school is less then the probability or chance of getting bit by a shark. Imagine that. I suggest banning goth loners would have a better chance at impacting this tragedy.
pumpkin

Fairfax, VA

#18 Dec 18, 2012
Horrified wrote:
I am so horrified, by what I hear from salemites and read on this site. Twenty children are horribly murdered, and your first reaction is "stay away from my guns!" The president goes to comfort the grieving families and your response is "how dare that n***** interrupt my football!" Do you have no decency?

If your child were in a collision and the other driver were only concerned with his paint job, how would you feel? If the president had said nothing about this tragedy, would you be happier?

How did there get to be so many people in this town with no sense of empathy?
I understand what you're saying but I also want to clear up what my feelings were. I personally upset with the president but not because of football or gun control. I was upset because he used this horrible situation to boost himself. This man got on tv speaking scripture, praying etc. I have no problem with any of that and I support more of it. It was who it came from. A man who missed the national day of prayer, wants prayer out if schools, fails to cover his heart in the pledge. That's hypocritical. And it was a show. Had he proven differently in the prior 4 years I'd feel differently.
Oh Dear

AOL

#19 Dec 18, 2012
pumpkin wrote:
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I understand what you're saying but I also want to clear up what my feelings were. I personally upset with the president but not because of football or gun control. I was upset because he used this horrible situation to boost himself. This man got on tv speaking scripture, praying etc. I have no problem with any of that and I support more of it. It was who it came from. A man who missed the national day of prayer, wants prayer out if schools, fails to cover his heart in the pledge. That's hypocritical. And it was a show. Had he proven differently in the prior 4 years I'd feel differently.
Shhow me where he wants prayer out of schools. I've seen him plenty of times covering his heart. Do you know any of this for fact or just posting gossip?
Oh Dear

AOL

#20 Dec 18, 2012
I'm going to check on him missing the national day of prayer. I don't know that for a facgt either

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