Mass. mom goes on trial in baby's death

A Massachusetts woman accused of killing her 9-month-old daughter months after regaining custody of the baby is going on trial for murder.

[Desiree]

Worthy of the death penalty in my eyes.

[Peppy]

I don't know the woman, but I assume her mental capacity is quite limited. Any reasonable woman that did not want or could not handle a child, could have given the child up for adoption.

I know it would never fly, but I believe their should be some minimal competenence level required for being a parent.

[Unrepessed]

Peppy wrote:

I don't know the woman, but I assume her mental capacity is quite limited. Any reasonable woman that did not want or could not handle a child, could have given the child up for adoption.
I know it would never fly, but I believe their should be some minimal competenence level required for being a parent.

Are you advocating eugenics???

Your post is offensive and should be removed

[Pro gun]

Maybe we should bounce her head off something???

[sick and tired]

What an awful thing to do to a helpless child! So many people cannot have kids and some that can do this?? Put her in solitary confinement for life!

[Pro gun]

Solitary confinement? How about six feet under?

[Meme]

Give her a good shake and slam her to the wall. If she survives, put her away and throw out the key!

[Ocean56]

Peppy wrote:

I don't know the woman, but I assume her mental capacity is quite limited. Any reasonable woman that did not want or could not handle a child, could have given the child up for adoption.
I know it would never fly, but I believe their should be some minimal competenence level required for being a parent.

The licensing argument again? I've seen this raised before, and it just doesn't fly, because it isn't a valid argument. We have laws requiring all people to get licenses to drive cars, yet these laws don't prevent accidents caused by idiots who do dangerous things while driving. Most of these idiots do have their licenses at the time of the accidents.

If licensing laws for driving cars can't prevent serious and even fatal accidents caused by incompetent or irresponsible drivers, they aren't going to prevent abuse or neglect of children by bad and incompetent parents either.

[Ocean56]

Meme wrote:

Give her a good shake and slam her to the wall. If she survives, put her away and throw out the key!

Yeah, more violence, that really "solves" the problem. How about just allowing the courts to determine what this woman's sentence should be, if she is found guilty?

[Peppy]

Ocean56 wrote:

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The licensing argument again? I've seen this raised before, and it just doesn't fly, because it isn't a valid argument. We have laws requiring all people to get licenses to drive cars, yet these laws don't prevent accidents caused by idiots who do dangerous things while driving. Most of these idiots do have their licenses at the time of the accidents.
If licensing laws for driving cars can't prevent serious and even fatal accidents caused by incompetent or irresponsible drivers, they aren't going to prevent abuse or neglect of children by bad and incompetent parents either.

I said right up front that it wouldn't fly. Did you read my post?

The point is obvious. This woman never should have been entrusted to take care of a small child. She murdered the kid. Most likely she is not mentally stable.

And you are wrong on your last point, we have child protective services in every state. They take children away from unfit parents all the time. Sometimes they are just too late to save the kid.

[disgusting]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Yeah, more violence, that really "solves" the problem. How about just allowing the courts to determine what this woman's sentence should be, if she is found guilty?

yes, violence does solve it. if it was YOUR child she murdered, you wouldnt want to sit down with the woman and talk it over, rationalize her behavior. WHO CARES. the world will never benefit from her kind. anyone that can kill a 9 month old baby is plenty capable of killing ANYONE. i say, keep her around long enough to beat her to death, then let the devil teach her the lessons that apparently no one ever taught her.

[Terrible]

No she doesnt need the death penalty thats just putting her out of her misery of rotting in the PENTATENTRY. Let her sit there for the rest of her life and think about what she did.

[joanne]

I see this all the time they give children back only to return to the same situation. What is wrong with the people working to save our children? Just because they go to a class does not mean they have changed. They go because they are forced. They learn nothing. If children are being abused they need to take them for good. The abuse will not stop...

[Ocean56]

Peppy wrote:

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I said right up front that it wouldn't fly. Did you read my post?
The point is obvious. This woman never should have been entrusted to take care of a small child. She murdered the kid. Most likely she is not mentally stable.
And you are wrong on your last point, we have child protective services in every state. They take children away from unfit parents all the time. Sometimes they are just too late to save the kid.

I'm not wrong at all. I'm well aware that CPS agencies are in every state. Even CPS agents cannot prevent ALL deaths of children killed by abusive parents, any more than requiring a parent to pass some special test can.

Yes, this woman was an unfit parent from the beginning, I don't disagree with you on that point, and I have to wonder if she even WANTED to be a mother at all. Many women are pressured by family, relatives and church communities to have children but they don't have the guts to tell the nosy parkers they DON'T want kids and they should mind their own bleeping business. If more women who know they don't want kids, temporarily or permanently, would tell nosy relatives and faith-based dictators to keep their pro-baby OPINIONS to themselves, maybe we'd be reading far FEWER horror stories like this one. Just a thought.

[Ocean56]

disgusting wrote:

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yes, violence does solve it. if it was YOUR child she murdered, you wouldnt want to sit down with the woman and talk it over, rationalize her behavior. WHO CARES. the world will never benefit from her kind. anyone that can kill a 9 month old baby is plenty capable of killing ANYONE. i say, keep her around long enough to beat her to death, then let the devil teach her the lessons that apparently no one ever taught her.

NO, violence does NOT solve it, no matter how many STUPID claims you make to the contrary. Also, it was her OWN child she murdered, not a child left in her care, so that's a lousy argument on your part.

If you really think that beating someone to death will solve ALL problems, then you're just as likely to commit a violent crime as THIS woman did, against the first person who pisses you off for some reason. I hope for your sake that you don't act on your violent urges, and for the sakes of all around you.

[Ocean56]

joanne wrote:

I see this all the time they give children back only to return to the same situation. What is wrong with the people working to save our children? Just because they go to a class does not mean they have changed. They go because they are forced. They learn nothing. If children are being abused they need to take them for good. The abuse will not stop...

This I definitely agree with. If a parent is proven to have committed ONE abusive act against a child, the abusive parent gets all her/his children, however many she/he has, AWAY from that parent permanently.

[Pro gun]

So you don't think if we just started handing out the death penalty to rapist and murderers it wouldn't change anything? Well let's try it and if it doesn't work we'll stop.

[Ocean56]

Pro gun wrote:

So you don't think if we just started handing out the death penalty to rapist and murderers it wouldn't change anything? Well let's try it and if it doesn't work we'll stop.

The death penalty is still in force in plenty of states. It HASN'T changed anything, if you use the failed argument that it's supposed to "deter future homicides." As for THIS case, if this mom is found guilty by a jury, a life sentence without the possibility of parole is sufficient.

Maybe one day, militant religionists will quit pressuring women to have children they may never have wanted to begin with. Not every woman is suited for motherhood, and faith-based dictators should keep their collective snouts OUT of women's sexual and reproductive choices. When women who either have doubts about children or clearly DON'T want children and are pressured to have them anyway, it's a recipe for possible child neglect and abuse.