Should welfare recipients have to pas...
specks

Salamanca, NY

#204 Jan 17, 2013
Plowdriver wrote:
how many people saw the report on WIVB news that Assemblyman David Dipietro brings up drug testing for welfare recipients possibly later in the year, go to WIVB - "Most WNY leaders vote against gun bill". time to start circulating the petitions to get this going and make it law.
Here's where the problem is, every user knows there's something they can take along with other tricks that are used to get the pot and drugs out of their system!

Since: Oct 10

Salamanca

#205 Jan 17, 2013
duhh wrote:
I already know welfare recipients do drugs, and I also know employees do drugs, drugs are abused all over the place by every single social class so shut your mouth born again christian
You should change your username from Duhh to Ahh Haa.
My hat's of to your ability to see past the cloads..
Thanks for posting...

Since: Oct 10

Salamanca

#206 Jan 17, 2013
specks wrote:
<quoted text>Here's where the problem is, every user knows there's something they can take along with other tricks that are used to get the pot and drugs out of their system!
LMAO
Yup that is a problem.
But in wondering I have to ask..
How many that are forced to submit to the drug test for welfare do you think will have a prescription for a narcotic based pain killer ?? Maybe that is why they need the help to begian with ?

Just~A~Thought

Since: Oct 10

Salamanca

#207 Jan 17, 2013
dtf wrote:
Hell yes they should also be forced to do some type of labor each week from street cleaning to public service. why should we pay to have their lazy ass sit and do nothing while we work for our money only to have our taxes go to feed them and their 87 kids. Used to be a disgrace to be on welfare now we have generations of people who don't work. Drug test,counsel, cut them off after a period of time. and if your illegal you get nothing. get off your ass and look for a job!
Actually they did try that. Problem was people where being forced to work so many hours per week for their benefits. All OK until someone done the math and realized they where working for less than $2.00 an hour at months end... I guess the Min wage laws did not apply to people in need.
Then again if working for welfare is the way to go would not everyone working for it be subject to the same benefits as any Government paid employee ? 2-3 week paid vacations and full health ins as well as $15.00 an hour plus?
I mean after all it would be not unlike any other job our taxes pay for.

Only in the fact we may get more work done then..

LMAO
Here's your sign !!!
Worker

Buffalo, NY

#208 Jan 17, 2013
duhh wrote:
The problem I have with it is that I pay taxes, as a tax payer I don't feel like I should have to pay to test the piss of an out of work welfare collector to satisfy my on self-importance!
The reason employers drug test is simple, a break on insurance rates, it is cheaper to insure a company that doesn't hire druggies then it is to insure a company full of druggies who are more prone to injuries, also it is easier to fire a undesirable emoployee who fails a drug test!
Welfare is not accountable for home related injuries and doesn't need to insure it's recipients (in a sense)
You want to drug test people, do it from your own wallet not mine!
I already know welfare recipients do drugs, and I also know employees do drugs, drugs are abused all over the place by every single social class so shut your mouth born again christian
You don't make any sense, taxes are taken to pay out welfare but it isn't O.K to drug test them, sure just give out money with out needing to qualify. Drug test are given to employees because they present on the job hazards,OSHA usually tests for drugs for major on the job injuries. Take the cost of the test out of the recipients check, let them know what it is like to pay out rather than rake in. Did it occur to you that an undesirable employee on drugs may be productive off drugs and more employable than a person on drugs. If drugs didn't present problems then they wouldn't be illegal. Welfare doesn't insure? What the hell is medicade, most employed people pay towards their insurance through work so why should I pay for someone elses. Better yet forget the drug test and abolish Welfare, then you won't have to pay out, duhh
Figure it out

Salamanca, NY

#209 Jan 17, 2013
If someone on welfare tries to get a job and is on drugs they won't get hired. So they keep getting the welfare and keep doing the drugs. If Social Services test them and they are on drugs. No more welfare or money to buy more drugs, kids get put into foster care. Now the drug abuser has a choice. Walk the line or live in shelters. No jail to give a record to make them less able to get a job. Someone will say theres not enough shelters to do that. Well isn't that just to bad. Some people just have to find things out the hard way for themselves sometimes. When the free ride comes to a end they'll figure out where they went wrong. School of hard knocks. Free ride... OVER!

Since: Oct 10

Salamanca

#210 Jan 18, 2013
Figure it out wrote:
If someone on welfare tries to get a job and is on drugs they won't get hired. So they keep getting the welfare and keep doing the drugs. If Social Services test them and they are on drugs. No more welfare or money to buy more drugs, kids get put into foster care. Now the drug abuser has a choice. Walk the line or live in shelters. No jail to give a record to make them less able to get a job. Someone will say theres not enough shelters to do that. Well isn't that just to bad. Some people just have to find things out the hard way for themselves sometimes. When the free ride comes to a end they'll figure out where they went wrong. School of hard knocks. Free ride... OVER!
LMAO
OK, with your way of thinking given a moment of thought...

More jobs VIA tax dollars to care for their kids. More tax dollars spent to house, medical, feeding and cloth the children. Of course the added staff for the 24 hour a day job..

The parents on the street starving and feening for drugs will not just die on the side of the road.. They will soon start robbing the higher class working people. Hopefully be tossed in jail before killing any hard working people.

because they are human! After all is stripped by whatever means, they will survive by any means they can. Called Human Nature..

Open Jail doors!! So more police, police cars, gas for cars etc etc... bigger jails and more tax paid for staff to keep them behind bars.. You will feed them, pay for lawyers full medical coverage. and clothing...

That is before we mention the mental effects on said children from the trauma and abuse they will deal with under State Care..

Yes sir, I guess that your plan does make sense... That in fact will save a ton of tax dollars and make a safe environment for us and our family's..

Here is Your Sign !!

PS: Better hope your job don't go by-by too... You may find out jobs are not a dime a dozen.. Hell even you might catch a buzz to get away from the degrading reality of a handout to care for your family...
Figure it out

Salamanca, NY

#211 Jan 18, 2013
timginnery wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO
OK, with your way of thinking given a moment of thought...
More jobs VIA tax dollars to care for their kids. More tax dollars spent to house, medical, feeding and cloth the children. Of course the added staff for the 24 hour a day job..
The parents on the street starving and feening for drugs will not just die on the side of the road.. They will soon start robbing the higher class working people. Hopefully be tossed in jail before killing any hard working people.
because they are human! After all is stripped by whatever means, they will survive by any means they can. Called Human Nature..
Open Jail doors!! So more police, police cars, gas for cars etc etc... bigger jails and more tax paid for staff to keep them behind bars.. You will feed them, pay for lawyers full medical coverage. and clothing...
That is before we mention the mental effects on said children from the trauma and abuse they will deal with under State Care..
Yes sir, I guess that your plan does make sense... That in fact will save a ton of tax dollars and make a safe environment for us and our family's..
Here is Your Sign !!
PS: Better hope your job don't go by-by too... You may find out jobs are not a dime a dozen.. Hell even you might catch a buzz to get away from the degrading reality of a handout to care for your family...
Every post in here from you Ginnery's shows that you must either be part of the problem or are the problem. For the simple fact that all you want to do is protect the system that is and continues to be abused with no real answers to the problem, just respond with why the taxpayers should continue to support the people that refuse to want a job, do nothing to get a job, and make themselves unable to get a job. What your little mind has yet to figure out is the crap is going to come to a end, like it or not. So if you're so damn smart, post what you think will cure the problem. Don't say the government needs to supply them jobs because the govenment has never been in the job making business.
This feel sorry for me crap, and this the government owes me crap, is a mindset. It needs to end. So lets see your great answer as to how to stop the continued abuse of the system. Put up or SHUT UP!

Since: Oct 10

Salamanca

#212 Jan 18, 2013
Figure it out wrote:
<quoted text>
Every post in here from you Ginnery's shows that you must either be part of the problem or are the problem. For the simple fact that all you want to do is protect the system that is and continues to be abused with no real answers to the problem, just respond with why the taxpayers should continue to support the people that refuse to want a job, do nothing to get a job, and make themselves unable to get a job. What your little mind has yet to figure out is the crap is going to come to a end, like it or not. So if you're so damn smart, post what you think will cure the problem. Don't say the government needs to supply them jobs because the govenment has never been in the job making business.
This feel sorry for me crap, and this the government owes me crap, is a mindset. It needs to end. So lets see your great answer as to how to stop the continued abuse of the system. Put up or SHUT UP!
LOL More well spent TAX DOLLARS at work.

"Puchalski has not been criminally charged, but Rabey says the Erie County District Attorney's office is aware of the school's investigation. While he was investigated for over a year, Puchalski was on paid leave, earning $116,000.00 to stay home."

My point is there is a lot of abuse of the tax system. Not just to put your scope sights on people that are in need of help. Maybe you could save more by looking into real abuse.

Make note "earning $116,000.00 to stay home" while we arrest a woman for $1,500.00 in food stamps.. Yup that makes so much sence..

Or maybe "Tim McMullen has resigned from Allegany-Limestone Middle School. He was convicted on harassment charges after a woman told police, McMullen stalked her back in 2010. McMullen had been on paid leave for the last two years"

As far as the cure for the over burdened welfare problem I have posted that... Take some of that tax money and build a business and put people back to work and have the profits go into the tax base..

Yup it is that simple..
I am in no way defending abuse of the system.. FYI. I am defending the people I know that are in a catch 22.. And that is many in this area..

As far as your remark about Ginnery's I will take it for what it is worth..
whateves

Salamanca, NY

#213 Jan 18, 2013
duhh wrote:
The problem I have with it is that I pay taxes, as a tax payer I don't feel like I should have to pay to test the piss of an out of work welfare collector to satisfy my on self-importance!
The reason employers drug test is simple, a break on insurance rates, it is cheaper to insure a company that doesn't hire druggies then it is to insure a company full of druggies who are more prone to injuries, also it is easier to fire a undesirable emoployee who fails a drug test!
Welfare is not accountable for home related injuries and doesn't need to insure it's recipients (in a sense)
You want to drug test people, do it from your own wallet not mine!
I already know welfare recipients do drugs, and I also know employees do drugs, drugs are abused all over the place by every single social class so shut your mouth born again christian
EXACTLY!! It costs far more to drug test all welfare recipients than what would be "saved" from those who would lose their benefits if they tested positive. States that have done this sort of testing have found that roughly 2% test positive for drugs and the cost of testing the other 98% was far more expensive than the benefits being used by the 2%.

If you all want to be bad at math in your own personal lives, go for it. But I'm tired of people wasting money on dumb shit like this.
Figure it out

Salamanca, NY

#214 Jan 18, 2013
timginnery wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL More well spent TAX DOLLARS at work.
"Puchalski has not been criminally charged, but Rabey says the Erie County District Attorney's office is aware of the school's investigation. While he was investigated for over a year, Puchalski was on paid leave, earning $116,000.00 to stay home."
My point is there is a lot of abuse of the tax system. Not just to put your scope sights on people that are in need of help. Maybe you could save more by looking into real abuse.
Make note "earning $116,000.00 to stay home" while we arrest a woman for $1,500.00 in food stamps.. Yup that makes so much sence..
Or maybe "Tim McMullen has resigned from Allegany-Limestone Middle School. He was convicted on harassment charges after a woman told police, McMullen stalked her back in 2010. McMullen had been on paid leave for the last two years"
As far as the cure for the over burdened welfare problem I have posted that... Take some of that tax money and build a business and put people back to work and have the profits go into the tax base..
Yup it is that simple..
I am in no way defending abuse of the system.. FYI. I am defending the people I know that are in a catch 22.. And that is many in this area..
As far as your remark about Ginnery's I will take it for what it is worth..
So you think a couple of teachers income will pay for years of welfare fraud and to start some unknown business to employ just ex-welfare collectors will cure the millions of dollars being paid out every month. You sure live in a small world. This isn't just about a few of your friends. Its a NATION WIDE PROBLEM.
Figure it out

Salamanca, NY

#215 Jan 18, 2013
Hey I just looked in the Olean paper and theres 29 jobs in there. So there should be at least 29 less people off the welfare rolls by next month.
Some of the places are looking to hire more than one person. To bad theres so many. Guess its easier to sit around getting wasted and getting a welfare check than it is to go apply for a job.
Figure it out

Salamanca, NY

#216 Jan 18, 2013
correction off/ ON
it will happen

Buffalo, NY

#217 Jan 19, 2013
whateves wrote:
<quoted text>
EXACTLY!! It costs far more to drug test all welfare recipients than what would be "saved" from those who would lose their benefits if they tested positive. States that have done this sort of testing have found that roughly 2% test positive for drugs and the cost of testing the other 98% was far more expensive than the benefits being used by the 2%.
If you all want to be bad at math in your own personal lives, go for it. But I'm tired of people wasting money on dumb shit like this.
so how many of the 29 job listings have you applied for? Your so worried about the cost take it out of your welfare check. you keep saying the same worthless shit over and over and it doesn't matter to a tax payer, get a job because apparently your on drugs and welfare or you would see it for what it is, I'm sick of wasting money on worthless pieces of shit like you that defend people on drugs getting welfare bitching about tax dollars they don't even pay in towards, hopefully it will be a blood or hair test so piss off of your welfare
it will happen

Buffalo, NY

#218 Jan 19, 2013
timginnery wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL More well spent TAX DOLLARS at work.
"Puchalski has not been criminally charged, but Rabey says the Erie County District Attorney's office is aware of the school's investigation. While he was investigated for over a year, Puchalski was on paid leave, earning $116,000.00 to stay home."
My point is there is a lot of abuse of the tax system. Not just to put your scope sights on people that are in need of help. Maybe you could save more by looking into real abuse.
Make note "earning $116,000.00 to stay home" while we arrest a woman for $1,500.00 in food stamps.. Yup that makes so much sence..
Or maybe "Tim McMullen has resigned from Allegany-Limestone Middle School. He was convicted on harassment charges after a woman told police, McMullen stalked her back in 2010. McMullen had been on paid leave for the last two years"
As far as the cure for the over burdened welfare problem I have posted that... Take some of that tax money and build a business and put people back to work and have the profits go into the tax base..
Yup it is that simple..
I am in no way defending abuse of the system.. FYI. I am defending the people I know that are in a catch 22.. And that is many in this area..
As far as your remark about Ginnery's I will take it for what it is worth..
teachers are paid to educate people and make them employable, educate doesn't mean filling out your own welfare and section eight rental assistance applications. Teachers are employed and have Unions and their wages and terms of job protection are negotiated, welfare people are not employed and therefore they have no union contract protecting their welfare because it isn't employment, get it ? EMPLOYED. Anyone that opposes welfare drug tests should seek employment and it won't apply. Drug test would be an incentive to quit drugs and get a job. In all the bullshit cost of drug testing posts not one indicates the reduction of number of welfare recipients due to people choosing to no longer collect welfare rather than quit drugs and be tested.

Since: Oct 10

Salamanca

#219 Jan 20, 2013
it will happen wrote:
<quoted text>
teachers are paid to educate people and make them employable, educate doesn't mean filling out your own welfare and section eight rental assistance applications. Teachers are employed and have Unions and their wages and terms of job protection are negotiated, welfare people are not employed and therefore they have no union contract protecting their welfare because it isn't employment, get it ? EMPLOYED. Anyone that opposes welfare drug tests should seek employment and it won't apply. Drug test would be an incentive to quit drugs and get a job. In all the bullshit cost of drug testing posts not one indicates the reduction of number of welfare recipients due to people choosing to no longer collect welfare rather than quit drugs and be tested.
"teachers are paid to educate people and make them employable"
That is a big claim, both teachers used as examples was from WVIB website the day I posted it. I see there is more listed daily. Including several for sexual abuse of the kids. But hey!! Not in any way saying we should mandate a Mental Eval for teachers..
That would to much like profiling.
LOL Yes, I see you all have it under control. In my eye's it is an old saying. "Tripping over dollars to pick up pennies." But then I guess one would have to see past anger and hostility to see it as a simple bashing and degrading attack on anyone and everyone that gets help from the government in a time when they need help.

It will personaly have no effect on me in any aspect. Will not help me by lowering any taxes. Won't bother me in the least. The only long term effect will be more crime because if it comes down to a dopehead getting drugs they will.. Just it will be our stuff they are selling to get it..

Want to reduce tax burdens tell your Government the world could go without another 10 billion dollar Smart Bomb. or a 50 billion dollar fighter jet. Don't pay teachers hundreds of thousands for years while they sit at home because they committed crimes..
But hey I had enough trying to express the reality that this thought is a waist of money and a simple attack on people when they are down.

If you can not see the light, you just can't.
Medicaid is the big waist as people take a ambulance to ER room because they have a belly ache.. Not a couple hundred dollars in food to feed a family.

Have a nice day.
Note: any and all mispelled words are intentional to ensure proper reading skills of Topix users.. LMAO
it will happen

Buffalo, NY

#220 Jan 20, 2013
It isn't about people hitting a bump, it is about giving people the choice of not working and buying their drugs, the whole welfare system needs an overhaul, medicaid is abused and needs overhauled too, the idea that if you take druggies off welfare they will steal is a crock of shit because they are doing it already. The teaching system is a topic of it's own and the school board should be accountable, as druggies should be accountable to welfare. the whole government system is failing but you have to start somewhere.
whateves

Salamanca, NY

#221 Jan 20, 2013
it will happen wrote:
<quoted text>
so how many of the 29 job listings have you applied for? Your so worried about the cost take it out of your welfare check. you keep saying the same worthless shit over and over and it doesn't matter to a tax payer, get a job because apparently your on drugs and welfare or you would see it for what it is, I'm sick of wasting money on worthless pieces of shit like you that defend people on drugs getting welfare bitching about tax dollars they don't even pay in towards, hopefully it will be a blood or hair test so piss off of your welfare
Just because you are bad at math, doesn't mean you have to get defensive and resort to personal attacks. However, that is a good indication that you have lost the argument. If you want to spend money drug testing people when it does not make any economic sense, feel free to donate money out of your paycheck for that endeavor. I however can do math and understand social policy and know that this is a waste of money. Thankfully, no one of merit cares what you have to say on this matter.
whateves

Salamanca, NY

#222 Jan 20, 2013
From the Department of Health and Human Services...

"As noted above, some States anticipate drug testing TANF applicants and recipients will save money. Those who would fail the test, do not comply with the test, or are deterred from applying knowing they would be tested would help decrease the public assistance rolls. These savings, particularly savings from deterrence, are difficult to measure. However, none of the legislative costs estimates we identified estimated net savings as a result of the proposed drug testing programs. For instance, an analysis of Idaho’s public assistance programs estimated savings from removing or deterring people with substance abuse issues at $1.12 million. The cost of drug testing and treating all approved applicants was estimated to cost between $1.2 and $1.3 million.[39] In Louisiana, as noted above, drug testing for 20% of TANF recipients and treatment for those (2%) who test positive has been estimated to cost $92,487, while savings were expected to be $31,248 for those who do not comply and have their benefits terminated. The net cost for Louisiana’s proposal was estimated to be $61,239.[40] The newly enacted Florida law would allow TANF applicants who failed the drug screen to designate a payee for their children to continue to be able to receive benefits. This provision would decrease the potential savings of drug screening in that State since only savings from the adults’ benefits would be realized.[41] Savings would also be reduced if substance abuse treatment and child welfare costs that are likely to be incurred outside the TANF program were included."
Chris or Joe duhh

Buffalo, NY

#224 Jan 20, 2013
if you weren't a druggie on welfare you wouldn't be so against testing, your a good example of why we should test. Welfare cost money, you show me where any statistics show it is profitable and effective to continue with public assistance, you show me the savings to taxpayers, you explain to me why I should continue to pay for your worthless ass to keep collecting, where the profit is, you see cost doesn't mean shit to a taxpayer paying for a shit system to begin with so the cost of drug testing doesn't bother taxpayers as much as a drug test would bother a druggie, they can take it out of your welfare check so the cost to taxpayers would remain the same, your understanding of social policy involves being a part of the problem rather than a solution. New York state doesn't compare to any other state due to its population size, how many other states have New York city? How many of the quoted states have exactly the same population and welfare program costs to the taxpayers?

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