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Salamanca school board to host "closed" executive session

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Silly Sally

Utica, NY

#1 Jan 8, 2010
Just read through the Olean Times Herald, and a small news item caught my attention.

The Salamanca school board will be hosting a closed executive session at 5 p.m. Tuesday before their regularly scheduled 6:30 meeting to discuss a "personnel issue."

I know it's probably not an issue, but why would Olean spend the newsprint on it if it wasn't a big deal? Just wondering what Crandall and company would be discussing ... Crist?
Whatever

United States

#2 Jan 8, 2010
Just what the heck is this all about? Not a mention of any of this on the school website or our illustrious Salamanca Press. It has been nearly 60 days since Principal Crist was put on administrative leave... where are the teachers in this? Why haven't they shown their support? This meeting Tuesday will just add to the circus that Mr. Hay and his board of puppets have created. There needs to be a total upheaval of the current board in May....
Silly Sally wrote:
Just read through the Olean Times Herald, and a small news item caught my attention.
The Salamanca school board will be hosting a closed executive session at 5 p.m. Tuesday before their regularly scheduled 6:30 meeting to discuss a "personnel issue."
I know it's probably not an issue, but why would Olean spend the newsprint on it if it wasn't a big deal? Just wondering what Crandall and company would be discussing ... Crist?
Mr_Nice_Guy

Austell, GA

#3 Jan 10, 2010
> where are the teachers in this? Why haven't they shown their support?

Because, like you and me, they want to keep their jobs.

> There needs to be a total upheaval of the current board in May....

Nice idea, but very much not likely. We'll have, at most, two board members to replace, but more likely just one. One board member replaced - Martin?- won't matter much, in the big scheme. Our chance was last year, when Crandall was up for re-election - except we voted him back in. But, by all means, let's do vote for someone who _won't_ just back the status quo. That hasn't gotten us anywhere.
Silly Sally

Buffalo, NY

#4 Jan 13, 2010
Some briefs from the meeting last night:

The executive session was held from 5-6:30, as was written in the Times-Herald.

To begin the meeting, Crandall said the following: "The board met with its attorney in an executive session to discuss matters related to the employment history of a particular person. Anyone requesting information on this matter should be advised that in the interest of privacy of all concerned, and the attorney-client privilege, there will be no comment."

Jody Wheeler, who was appointed to the deputy treasurer position in October, resigned effective January 11.
unknown

Lowville, NY

#5 Jan 13, 2010
Lol on this lovely meeting...So funny that it's a closed session and due to privacy matters won't be discussed. How private is it when Doug Hay is discussing matters with his "buddies" over at the high school/middle school...Lots of information regarding Chuck being leaked....Only can come from one person.
Bob Crandall is priming his wife to become the business manager while Doug is priming his NIECE to become a superintendent somewhere...It's all a big game and the big shots think that everyone around them are stupid..
As far as the teachers are concerned...they were used for information...however, 99% of the teachers information wasn't taken by the lawyers, it was pushed to the wayside. Amazing that most of the information used by the lawyers was by people who don't even work at Seneca....
Whatever

United States

#6 Jan 13, 2010
I have been to the last two meetings and it makes me ill and sad to think that this is happening in our district. I am at a loss as to how to change things...people are afraid of retaliation if they speak their mind? It is our constitutional right to be able to do so...If what the previous poster says is true, Crandall is only looking out for himself. Since he has already bilked the city for an unpaid grant for a business that failed, I guess he will have to rely on his wife to "keep him" in retirement! As to how he was re-elected? I don't know of anyone who voted for him! I do know that he sent his father around east end to sign his petition...God love you Roger...too bad I can't say the same for your son. The community needs to wake upo or we will be the laughing stock of wny! If you support Principal Crist, you need to be present at the next board meeting!
Mr_Nice_Guy

Kittrell, NC

#7 Jan 13, 2010
> Amazing that most of the information used by the lawyers was by people who don't even work at Seneca

Would that info be from the IT dept.?

> in the interest of privacy of all concerned, and the attorney-client privilege, there will be no comment.

"Attorney-client privilege." Nice touch, there, Bob. Makes it seem all official-like. Except who is the _real_ client, here? It's our money that pays for these lawyers. It's our district. The district and its resources are supposed to benefit the children and the community. The board members are just elected to manage things and will be replaced, at some point. Bob makes this sound a tad too personal, methinks.
Mr_Nice_Guy

Kittrell, NC

#8 Jan 13, 2010
> Lots of information regarding Chuck being leaked....Only can come from one person.

Not really. Board members are notorious for violating their obligation to respect employee confidentiality.

Ray Cenni, when he was interim supt, had to call the board members in specifically to remind them of this obligation because he'd gone to let a district employee know of his / her employment termination and learned that the person had already heard of it through "back-channel" sources. Since it was only discussed among the board the night before, one of the board members had to have said something to a spouse about it. I'm sure it's not any different with this board. First-hand access to the "dirt" is almost like a perk to board members.
disgusted citizen

Lockport, NY

#9 Jan 14, 2010
I am just wondering if an investigative reporter from outside of the area could be made aware of the situations going on in the Salamanca School System. I mean EVERY situation--from the daily fights in the school due to poor leadership by the principals to the poor leadership of the crooked school board members.

I'm thinking someone like Al Vaughters or another Buffalo area reporter. Hell I bet even the major networks would have a MAJOR career boost with these horror stories.
whatswrong here

Buffalo, NY

#10 Jan 14, 2010
Whatever wrote:
I have been to the last two meetings and it makes me ill and sad to think that this is happening in our district. I am at a loss as to how to change things...people are afraid of retaliation if they speak their mind? It is our constitutional right to be able to do so...If what the previous poster says is true, Crandall is only looking out for himself. Since he has already bilked the city for an unpaid grant for a business that failed, I guess he will have to rely on his wife to "keep him" in retirement! As to how he was re-elected? I don't know of anyone who voted for him! I do know that he sent his father around east end to sign his petition...God love you Roger...too bad I can't say the same for your son. The community needs to wake upo or we will be the laughing stock of wny! If you support Principal Crist, you need to be present at the next board meeting!
I'd say we already are the laughing stock of WNY!
disgusted citizen

Buffalo, NY

#11 Jan 15, 2010
disgusted citizen wrote:
I am just wondering if an investigative reporter from outside of the area could be made aware of the situations going on in the Salamanca School System. I mean EVERY situation--from the daily fights in the school due to poor leadership by the principals to the poor leadership of the crooked school board members.
I'm thinking someone like Al Vaughters or another Buffalo area reporter. Hell I bet even the major networks would have a MAJOR career boost with these horror stories.
I just want to clarify that I'm not referring to the "poor leadership of principals" to being Mr. Crist. I was referring to the middle school and high school principals.
whatswrong here

Buffalo, NY

#12 Jan 15, 2010
What are they trying to do to the school system in Salamanca? The Middle School and High School are all messed up and have terrible reputations. Now they are going to wreck Seneca School with this scandal. Salamanca is a joke and it was such a nice place just a few short years ago.
unknown

Poland, ME

#13 Jan 22, 2010
SO here we are again another meeting and still no information on the outcome of Chuck Crist. As a member of the community, just a concern on how this is happening to out school district. Where in the world would our district be without Doug Hay, Bob Crandall and all of their ass kissing co workers? Bob steals money from several of his past co workers, but he's a great asset to our school. Doug talks highly in the newspaper of budget cuts and yet we pay him a very HIGH stipend for gas mileage---why don't we cut back on his stipend for gas to keep our budget where it needs to be instead of cutting out jobs? Why can't Doug and his fellow members of the board stop running their mouths so that information regarding Chuck Crist aren't leaked out to the public? They shouldn't be discussing anything regarding upcoming events or topics at their board meeting regarding Mr. Crist. Talking about keeping things confidential and actually doing it are two different things. Mr. Crist sure has a law suit on his hands. I think us tax payers should do something about this very soon.
Edna

United States

#14 Jan 24, 2010
I'd also like to know whats going on with Chuck Crist. As someone that pays his salary, I believe this matter should be made public. Why isnt anything being said? Is it because its "Chuck Crist"? What the heck. How is this any different than Dupont? Maybe not the same circumstances, but the Press was all over that story like white on rice. THE TAX PAYERS AND PARENTS DESERVE TO KNOW!!!

Also, whats going on with Jody Wheeler? Why would she just get a position and already resign? Whats this all about????
unknown

Poland, ME

#15 Jan 24, 2010
Dear Edna,
Just for the record....Chuck's situation is so far different than Mike DuPont...Please don't compare the two...It's being kept for legal purposes...Pick up a law book.
Edna

United States

#16 Jan 24, 2010
Unknown, wow, you seem to be a bit protective. I did not compare Crist and Dupont. I was making reference that Dupont was a school figure as is Crist. Re-read my post. I'd like to borrow your law book, since you seem so knowledgeable.
unknown

Poland, ME

#17 Jan 24, 2010
Dearest Edna or Should I say Abby,
I am not protective of him but to use the man's name in the same paragraph as DuPont is wrong. "Chuck Crist" used in parenthesis makes it sound like you have some ill feelings against him..I may have a book or two that you can read..Mike DuPont's story was all over the news because it deserved to be all over the news...Totally different situation.
Mr_Nice_Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Jan 24, 2010
In truth, DuPont's story was publicized because someone filed charges against him, taking the matter largely out of the district's hands. No one's filed charges against Mr. Crist - as far as I know - so it's still an "internal" matter as far as the BOE is concerned. And, of course, they'll hide behind "confidentiality" as long as they can. I suppose this is good, in some respects - Mr. Crist deserves some discretion in this matter - but this BOE isn't really helping the situation by dragging it out so long. They're acting like a bunch of giddy teen-aged girls with "juicy" gossip.
Truth

Valley Falls, NY

#19 Jan 26, 2010
"Whatever" is absolutely right. If you support Principal Crist, it is imperative that you show this support by attending the board meeting tonight. If you can, please attend both the 5:00 opening before executive session and the 10:00 p.m. reconvene. Hoping and praying that the members of the BOE finally come to the realization that this is all a PERSONAL VENDETTA initiated by Doug Hay and do the right thing by voting to reinstate Principal Crist tonight. Board members, please see Doug Hay for who he really is and do the right thing and stand up to him. I am still wondering how a person with no degree or experience in education landed a job as Superintendent of any school system. Was the Salamanca Central School District really that hard-up? I'm sure there is more to this story and hopefully the truth will come out. The staff, the school and the kids do not need unqualified Doug Hay, but they DO need their friend and Principal back!!!! What a loss it will be if he is not reinstated. Again, members of the board, we are counting on you to see what Doug Hay is capable of and put a stop to it tonight.
unknown

United States

#20 Jan 26, 2010
I agree with the comments. Seneca School is a train wreck & Doug Hay is the conductor.

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