I wonder

Charleston, WV

#1292 Jul 11, 2012
Godhead – He is Triune in nature, yet is one. He is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; all of whom are equal, yet with some distinct roles. Any organization that does not believe in the trinity is false.

Jesus – He is eternal God and nothing less. He was never created, and is equal to the Father and the Spirit. He became a man to die for our sins and completed the work of God for our Salvation. Any group that teaches otherwise is false.

Holy Spirit – He is not simply a mystical force, but a person of the Godhead equal to the Father and the Son. He came to convict us of sin and points us to Jesus. He does not draw attention to Himself. The gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased. He is not responsible for the activities being practiced by various sects that claim they are empowered by him. Anyone teaching that they are experiencing or using a gift of the Holy Spirit is false.

Salvation – We can only be saved by placing our trust in Jesus as our savior. Salvation is by God's grace and mercy alone, no amount of merit or works could ever get us into heaven. This can only happen by trusting in Christ as our Savior. There is no other way, any other way is false.

Eternal Security – The Bible is clear that we cannot lose our salvation. Any religion or denomination that teaches we can lose our salvation is conclusively following a works based salvation that is false.

Legalism – We are not under the Law, we are under grace. Any religion that teaches we should follow a strict set of rules and regulations, especially by observing the Law of Moses and man made laws, is fallen from Grace and is foolish. We are to be motivated by love not to sin, not the law. Any group teaching that such obedience is required is false.

View of the Bible – The Bible is the complete, perfect, infallible, inspired Word of God. There are no missing books, no mistakes, and no need for deletions. It is the final authority on all matters and no one is receiving any new or similar revelation today. Anyone who thinks any differently is false.
wonder

Charleston, WV

#1293 Jul 11, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Actually Bev - they can and they do.
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Ah yes, "Love the sinner, hate the sin". You know that this phrase is not of Christian origin? It was Mahatma Gandhi (a Hindu) who came up with it.
Anyway, how can God love people when he instructs his followers to kill people who exercise freedom of religion?
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
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Mankind certainly makes an arse of themselves. Often in the name of some religion, other times for economic reasons.
How would you define a true Christian? You know that there are literally hundreds (maybe thousands) of different Christian denominations, sects and cults? All of them claiming that their specific take on religion is the "true way".
You could try setting up a website called "True Christians Only". Then see if you can get all Christians to agree on exactly what is true.
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Lol! My plan is to grow old disgracefully.
It is clear from these passages that there are different belief systems and not all of them come from God. Paul teaches us that we should not even align ourselves with these false systems, especially to do the work of the Lord. Certainly Satan has introduced a world of religions and sects meant to confuse people and keep them from Christ and His truth. Confusion does not originate from God, we all have the ability to read His wonderful word on our own and discover the truth for ourselves. We must start by opening the Bible and reading its pages.

One of the best ways to recognize a false set of beliefs is to know what the truth is. When we read for ourselves God's Word and by doing so determine some foundational and fundamental teachings of Scripture, we can quickly rule out any belief system that would detour from it. Below I have listed a few of these fundamental teachings from the Word of God, if any religion teaches otherwise, we can be assured that they are false.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1294 Jul 11, 2012
I wonder wrote:
Godhead – He is Triune in nature, yet is one. He is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; all of whom are equal, yet with some distinct roles. Any organization that does not believe in the trinity is false.
Jesus – He is eternal God and nothing less. He was never created, and is equal to the Father and the Spirit. He became a man to die for our sins and completed the work of God for our Salvation. Any group that teaches otherwise is false.
Holy Spirit – He is not simply a mystical force, but a person of the Godhead equal to the Father and the Son. He came to convict us of sin and points us to Jesus. He does not draw attention to Himself. The gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased. He is not responsible for the activities being practiced by various sects that claim they are empowered by him. Anyone teaching that they are experiencing or using a gift of the Holy Spirit is false.
Salvation – We can only be saved by placing our trust in Jesus as our savior. Salvation is by God's grace and mercy alone, no amount of merit or works could ever get us into heaven. This can only happen by trusting in Christ as our Savior. There is no other way, any other way is false.
Eternal Security – The Bible is clear that we cannot lose our salvation. Any religion or denomination that teaches we can lose our salvation is conclusively following a works based salvation that is false.
Legalism – We are not under the Law, we are under grace. Any religion that teaches we should follow a strict set of rules and regulations, especially by observing the Law of Moses and man made laws, is fallen from Grace and is foolish. We are to be motivated by love not to sin, not the law. Any group teaching that such obedience is required is false.
View of the Bible – The Bible is the complete, perfect, infallible, inspired Word of God. There are no missing books, no mistakes, and no need for deletions. It is the final authority on all matters and no one is receiving any new or similar revelation today. Anyone who thinks any differently is false.
I'm a bit pushed for time so I'll have to be selective with my responses...

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1295 Jul 11, 2012
I wonder wrote:
Jesus – He is eternal God and nothing less. He was never created, and is equal to the Father and the Spirit. He became a man to die for our sins and completed the work of God for our Salvation. Any group that teaches otherwise is false.
If you're saying that Jesus was your god incarnate, then he's the one human who got to choose whether he'd be left or right-handed. Or perhaps he just made himself ambidextrous.

The writers of the Gospels hadn't a clue about genetic manipulation or DNA. However, we do, and that presents more problems to the fable of your god creating a human form for himself.

What DNA did your god choose for Jesus? He would have to have specifically picked out a particular DNA for Jesus, he couldn't just shuffle the cards and deal a random hand.

It seems that many people have a genetic predisposition to what you may refer to as "sins". Did your god include all those predispositions in Jesus' DNA so that he could be tempted in all ways?

Did he also include a propensity towards alcoholism? In that way he could be tempted in the same way that humans with that propensity are. There's also some evidence of people having a genetic inclination towards homosexuality. Did your god put that in Jesus' genes, too? Look around and you'll see humans struggling with problems at various different levels. Perhaps Jesus had a high sex drive or maybe he liked gambling.

If Jesus was to experience all that humans did then he must have chosen all of the above and more to go into his genetic mix.

If Jesus was to be tempted by hunger then at what level did he set his metabolic rate? Where did he pitch his pain threshold at? What about an IQ for Jesus? God couldn't have set that too high if he wanted himself to interact on the same levels as humans.

I'd say that humans are far more admirable and noble than your Jesus ever was. After all, humans are the ones who have no choice other than to deal with the DNA they get.

Now that's a real triumph compared to some imaginary being who was able to pick and choose his own DNA and genetic make up.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1296 Jul 11, 2012
I wonder wrote:
Salvation – We can only be saved by placing our trust in Jesus as our savior. Salvation is by God's grace and mercy alone, no amount of merit or works could ever get us into heaven. This can only happen by trusting in Christ as our Savior. There is no other way, any other way is false.
I guess you've heard of "The Golden Rule"?

It's all about ethical goodness on a reciprocal basis and you'll see it manifested in numerous religions in many different words. Jesus mentions it in the New Testament although he was far from being the first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

I'm sure you'll agree that wishing no harm or suffering on others is understandably a good thing. Yet harm is exactly what your god wishes on people and he expects his followers to obey him and break the Golden Rule.

Surely the merit of any religion isn't what you believe in but more about what you do? In other words, it's all about how you treat your fellow human beings. Extending the same treatment to other people that you would expect them to extend to you is undoubtedly the pinnacle of human ethical behaviour.

Also, if God/Allah/Brahma/Shiva/etc, really do exist, yet they insist that we humans must break the Golden Rule to get to Heaven; then they aren't worth thinking about.

Let's look at the god of the Bible: His main condition for us to get our pass for Heaven is not about treating our fellow humans decently and respectfully. Oh no, the Golden Rule doesn't matter to God. All that matters to him is that we love Jesus more than anyone else and with every fibre of our being.

You may like the idea of spending eternity with such a vain, egotistical, self-centred deity but not me.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1297 Jul 11, 2012
I wonder wrote:
Legalism – We are not under the Law, we are under grace. Any religion that teaches we should follow a strict set of rules and regulations, especially by observing the Law of Moses and man made laws, is fallen from Grace and is foolish. We are to be motivated by love not to sin, not the law. Any group teaching that such obedience is required is false.
Secular law is better than your god’s law - you don't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize that secular law has bested religious laws.

This may be why even Muslims and Christians are choosing Secular laws when available.

Why?

Because secular law is more forgiving and logical than religious law.

Secular law demands and allows equality of women, gays and slaves. Religious laws do not. Neither do religious laws give a good logic trail for discriminating against these groups of our society.

As our knowledge of life has increased, Secular laws have evolved and improved while your god's have been stagnant and fixed over time.

This stagnation of old laws ensure that over time, Secular laws will win out over religious laws for our hearts and minds. As they should.

If your god's laws don't evolve then they are bound to fail. This is likely why most religions have split into various sects that differ in accordance with the secular progression of the individual communities and religious sects. Most religions today have many different denominations, sects and cults, all claiming that they and they alone understand the word of their god.

Schisms like that go a long way to ensuring that secularism will increase while religion will shrink.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1298 Jul 11, 2012
I wonder wrote:
View of the Bible – The Bible is the complete, perfect, infallible, inspired Word of God. There are no missing books, no mistakes, and no need for deletions. It is the final authority on all matters and no one is receiving any new or similar revelation today. Anyone who thinks any differently is false.
The Bible tells us amongst other things that:

Pi = 3

That bats are birds.

That rabbits chew the cud.

I consider myself a fairly morally upstanding person, but I simply choose not to punctuate my life with daft rituals and belief in a god. No god, rational and all-seeing, would judge me for being evil just because I didn't want to go to church on a Sunday.

I also find that I can get by very nicely without religion. I know what is required of a good person and I can live by that quite easily. I don't need some barmy Archbishop or mad Mullah trying to tell me what I should think and how I should behave, because it's written in his holy book; which in turn was based on the ramblings of late Iron Age goat herders.

If there is a god who is going to measure our worth (which I sincerely doubt), then it's our actions and not our lip-service that it will judge us on.

Here's an example of the inspires word of your god....

Leviticus 21: 16-23

16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.

23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.

Here we see that your god discriminates against disabled people. This also includes those with flat noses, vasectomies, zits, diarrhea, too short, or missing testicles will get you cut from the list.
Anonymous

Scott Depot, WV

#1299 Jul 11, 2012
God doesn't exists.
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Lie lie liie

New York, NY

#1302 Jul 12, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
God doesn't exists.


Oh, but wonder if he does :). What do I have to lose compared to you :(

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1303 Jul 12, 2012
Lie lie liie wrote:
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Oh, but wonder if he does :). What do I have to lose compared to you :(
You make it sound like you're in favour of pretending that you believe in your god just so you can get to heaven.

Belief is not something you can just switch on/off because of some reward. Well, I certainly can't but perhaps you can.

Sounds to me as if you're reducing your religion to the level of a cheap bet. Remember, there are literally thousands of gods that humans have worshipped so the odds are stacked against you picking the right one.

So, if you choose the wrong god then you have everything to lose.

Then of course any such god may be sympathetic towards atheists for demonstrating reason and logic and not worshipping him/her/it without evidence.
Only one God

Saint Albans, WV

#1304 Jul 12, 2012
Well, there is only one God and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. I have no doubt that there is a God. I am sure that since you don't believe in Christ then you are a very sad individual. I absolutely love to talk to God each day abut something.

If you ever get a chance please read "Heaven is real" about the little boy that went to heaven. God bless you:).
In the name of abortions

Culloden, WV

#1305 Jul 12, 2012
Now that they control a majority of statehouses across the nation, Republicans are attempting a bold power grab to disenfranchise voters and repeat the Florida election debacle of 2000.
Right now, states with Republican governors or new GOP majorities are ramming through bills designed to make it harder for people to vote.
They'll stop at nothing to steal the Presidency.
We have to act now to stop these bills from becoming law. The Democratic Governors Association is the only organization devoted solely to electing Democratic governors who will veto any and all attempts to limit voter rights. Use the form at the right to stand with the DGA and demand that Republicans stop their politically-motivated attempts to suppress votes.
Anonymous

Scott Depot, WV

#1306 Jul 12, 2012
if your so called book of made up fairy tales is correct I'm pretty sure Jesus is not God, but is his son, for a christian you are really stupid, also if there was no evolution and we were all created by god, then why don't we see new animals and why do some animals not exist? it's because we evolved, there is proof of that there is how ever no proof at all that we came from thin air.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#1307 Jul 12, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
if your so called book of made up fairy tales is correct I'm pretty sure Jesus is not God, but is his son, for a christian you are really stupid, also if there was no evolution and we were all created by god, then why don't we see new animals and why do some animals not exist? it's because we evolved, there is proof of that there is how ever no proof at all that we came from thin air.
lmbo!!!
Jesus is God incarnate... In the flesh (part of the Trinity, Father, Son Holy Ghost)!
Of course there is an evolutionary process....you use to be a baby didn't you? Although you still sound like one (with the "stupid name callin'"), I'm assuming your older than 10 yrs...correct?
Man didn't actually come out of thin air (ya might wanna retract that childish namecalling...no wonder you wanted ta be anonymous! Lolol!

And FYI: Genesis 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
DarksLightness

United States

#1308 Jul 13, 2012
In the name of abortions wrote:
Now that they control a majority of statehouses across the nation, Republicans are attempting a bold power grab to disenfranchise voters and repeat the Florida election debacle of 2000.
Right now, states with Republican governors or new GOP majorities are ramming through bills designed to make it harder for people to vote.
They'll stop at nothing to steal the Presidency.
We have to act now to stop these bills from becoming law. The Democratic Governors Association is the only organization devoted solely to electing Democratic governors who will veto any and all attempts to limit voter rights. Use the form at the right to stand with the DGA and demand that Republicans stop their politically-motivated attempts to suppress votes.
The abortionlaw will never be reversed.the only way nowto stop them (if you not too high and mighty like some pastors kids) istounderstandwhat they aregoi.g through, and prayer IN THE MIDST ofit. N o better wordsheard in an abortion cli.ic, "ive change my mind"...all,from silent prayers and silent hearing. So Jenn, judge all you want.:-D howmany abortions have you stopped? or do you walk around pointing bony fingers.???

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1309 Jul 13, 2012
Only one God wrote:
Well, there is only one God and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. I have no doubt that there is a God. I am sure that since you don't believe in Christ then you are a very sad individual. I absolutely love to talk to God each day abut something.
If you ever get a chance please read "Heaven is real" about the little boy that went to heaven. God bless you:).
This is one of the things that annoys me about so many Christians:

Just because we choose not to believe in so much superstitious mumbo jumbo, you assume that we are "very sad individuals".

You do realise that, amongst other things, your religion means defending genocide and infanticide. It means you approve of the murder of homosexuals, as well as anyone else who wishes to exercise religious freedom.

Furthermore, you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being. You've already demonstrated that this means you're prepared to kill for those morals.

You'll excuse me if I prefer the foundation of good solid non-belief for building my ethics. My morals can be based on verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.

I'll pass on your book recommendation but not before making one of my own...

If you’re looking for some hilarious black comedy, you could do worse than pick up James Morrow’s “Godhead Trilogy”

Towing Jehovah

God has committed suicide. His body is floating in the north Atlantic, a menace to faith and navigation. It must be god's body as it’s two miles long and has no bellybutton. The heavenly host who are dying off very quickly from sympathetic death syndrome have hired an oil tanker captain to tow the body to the North Pole.

This book is possibly the kindest to god of his religion based books.

This is despite the crew's realization after running out of food that they are towing 2 miles of meat behind them. This book chapter contains several recipes.

Blameless in Abbadon

This is a sequel to Towing Jehovah. A man dying of cancer puts the corpse of god on trial for the existence of evil. The, er, um, highpoint of the book is a tour through the brain of god where they meet several saints, and biblical characters. These include the colossally perverted Saint Augustine of Hippo, Lot, his pregnant daughters and his transformed wife. He still takes her with him because he's drilled a hole in a position he can use, seeing as his daughters have lost interest, and besides, she's very useful when it comes to salting margheritas.

Eternal Footman

God’s huge skull is in orbit.....

"Cirrus clouds rimmed God's skull. He appeared to be wearing a white toupee. At least there weren't any ads today. Why the Vatican permitted the multinationals to aim their lasers at His brow was a mystery she couldn't fathom. Contemplating the Cranium Dei was depressing enough. You shouldn't have to read COKE IS IT in the bargain."
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DarksLikeness

United States

#1311 Jul 13, 2012
The underpinning ,of atrailer in apic is not going tocut it. lol

Thanks for the lost soul......
Iknowwhen

United States

#1312 Jul 13, 2012
shes slowly dying. she is going to die. The storm is coming its buiding
momentum. But,she was always faithful .....

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#1313 Jul 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>This is one of the things that annoys me about so many Christians:

Just because we choose not to believe in so much superstitious mumbo jumbo, you assume that we are "very sad individuals".

You do realise that, amongst other things, your religion means defending genocide and infanticide. It means you approve of the murder of homosexuals, as well as anyone else who wishes to exercise religious freedom.

Furthermore, you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being. You've already demonstrated that this means you're prepared to kill for those morals.

You'll excuse me if I prefer the foundation of good solid non-belief for building my ethics. My morals can be based on verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.

I'll pass on your book recommendation but not before making one of my own...

If you’re looking for some hilarious black comedy, you could do worse than pick up James Morrow’s “Godhead Trilogy”

Towing Jehovah

God has committed suicide. His body is floating in the north Atlantic, a menace to faith and navigation. It must be god's body as itÂ’s two miles long and has no bellybutton. The heavenly host who are dying off very quickly from sympathetic death syndrome have hired an oil tanker captain to tow the body to the North Pole.

This book is possibly the kindest to god of his religion based books.

This is despite the crew's realization after running out of food that they are towing 2 miles of meat behind them. This book chapter contains several recipes.

Blameless in Abbadon

This is a sequel to Towing Jehovah. A man dying of cancer puts the corpse of god on trial for the existence of evil. The, er, um, highpoint of the book is a tour through the brain of god where they meet several saints, and biblical characters. These include the colossally perverted Saint Augustine of Hippo, Lot, his pregnant daughters and his transformed wife. He still takes her with him because he's drilled a hole in a position he can use, seeing as his daughters have lost interest, and besides, she's very useful when it comes to salting margheritas.

Eternal Footman

GodÂ’s huge skull is in orbit.....

"Cirrus clouds rimmed God's skull. He appeared to be wearing a white toupee. At least there weren't any ads today. Why the Vatican permitted the multinationals to aim their lasers at His brow was a mystery she couldn't fathom. Contemplating the Cranium Dei was depressing enough. You shouldn't have to read COKE IS IT in the bargain."
ROFLMBO!!!
Iknowwhen

United States

#1314 Jul 13, 2012
Bev Grey wrote:
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ROFLMBO!!!
lmao

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