Police chiefs voice concerns to AG ab...

Police chiefs voice concerns to AG about Ariz. law

There are 39 comments on the El Paso Times story from May 27, 2010, titled Police chiefs voice concerns to AG about Ariz. law. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Arizona's new immigration law and similar proposals in other states would lead to an increase in crime, some police chiefs from around the country told Attorney General Eric Holder in an hourlong meeting Wednesday.

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New Phase of Law

United States

#1 May 27, 2010
The changing face of law enforcement, dealing with crime, is a challange to some selected chiefs.

Just as organizations like Border Action Network bring a busload to testify, the selected chiefs do not represent the Nation NOR its population.

The Nation in a two-one ration WANT the enforcement of the new immigration regulations and that cannot be denied.

To wait for a dysfunctional federal government to decide what to do will result in further chaos.

Get it done, get them rounded up.
They defy US law, steal, and whine for more.

Since: Jun 08

Woodbridge, VA

#2 May 27, 2010
OK, when WE cracked down on illegals here, we saw a decrease in overall crime while the county to our north that basically stated it would be a safe haven, saw increases in various things. The county over the border and north of that one (also basically sanctuary) saw a rise as well!

Yup, this argument holds a lot of water with me.

Once you step over the border or fail to book a ticket for when your visa expired (or fail to submit the paperwork to renew it or apply for citizenship), then you are already breaking the law.

I'll bet there are a lot of officers who would like to step into the chief's jobs and then open up more officer positions for people looking for a job and who wish to go into law enforcement.
Duty to ENFORCE

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#3 May 27, 2010
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America;when in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.— Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government..

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands....

These profound words still mean the same....

Becaus ethe federal government has FAILED to secure our borders, this discussion occurs.

FEDS=FAILURE

Do your job... or get out of the way
Private Party

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#4 May 27, 2010
Biker Mom wrote:
OK, when WE cracked down on illegals here, we saw a decrease in overall crime while the county to our north that basically stated it would be a safe haven, saw increases in various things. The county over the border and north of that one (also basically sanctuary) saw a rise as well!
Yup, this argument holds a lot of water with me.
Once you step over the border or fail to book a ticket for when your visa expired (or fail to submit the paperwork to renew it or apply for citizenship), then you are already breaking the law.
I'll bet there are a lot of officers who would like to step into the chief's jobs and then open up more officer positions for people looking for a job and who wish to go into law enforcement.
Yes for sure, the "invited" sharing the same beliefs were staged in opposition to the US popular will.
How long are we going to put up with the shenanigans of the "socialist empire"?
blablabla

El Paso, TX

#5 May 27, 2010
probably a bunch of illegal cops opposing this law and complaining.. moment of truth, when a cop asks another for his/her papers!
Terri

Sendai, Japan

#6 May 27, 2010
The whole premise of the story is based on Ex-Police Chief William Gates of Los Angeles who started that failed campaign 30 years ago pushing the now proven not to work policy of not asking for papers. 30 years ago before Gates enacted his policy, there was no illegal alien problem. As a direct result of Gates failed policy, we now DO have an illegal alien problem.

The policy of not asking for papers has been failing for 30 years. The day you start asking for papers (Detecting) then following thought with deportations (Enforcement), on that day, crime in America will decrease.

I do not buy this story one bit. In fact I would consider it all negative propaganda. Of course AG Holder needs a good excuse, so busing in some mexican sheriffs to testify gives him a good excuse I guess.
Bill

Plano, TX

#7 May 27, 2010
Why didn't El Paso have representation there? I think I know why, they consider El Paso part of Mexico.
ArizonaFightingF orUS

United States

#8 May 27, 2010
New Phase of Law wrote:
The changing face of law enforcement, dealing with crime, is a challange to some selected chiefs.
Just as organizations like Border Action Network bring a busload to testify, the selected chiefs do not represent the Nation NOR its population.
The Nation in a two-one ration WANT the enforcement of the new immigration regulations and that cannot be denied.
To wait for a dysfunctional federal government to decide what to do will result in further chaos.
Get it done, get them rounded up.
They defy US law, steal, and whine for more.
This helps them defy the law. Note: I wouldn't travel to LA ever again if my life depended on it. Boycott LA.

L.A. County sheriff can't be sued for releasing illegal immigrant accused of killing football star, judge rules
May 26, 2010 | 4:21 pm
A Los Angeles County Superior Court judge on Wednesday threw out a lawsuit by the parents of a high school football star who had sued the Sheriffs Department for releasing from jail an illegal immigrant suspected of killing their son.

'The parents of Jamiel Shaw II, a running back who was recruited by Stanford and Rutgers universities before he was gunned down in 2008, had accused the sheriff of negligence, wrongful death and civil rights violations for letting Pedro Espinoza out onto the streets instead of turning him over to immigration authorities.

Espinoza, a 21-year-old who prosecutors say was a member of the 18th Street gang in the United States illegally, had been released from jail a day before the shooting after serving time for an earlier offense. His criminal case, in which he faces the death penalty, remains pending.

Shaws family alleged in their suit that because of an agreement allowing local agencies to enforce federal immigration law, the Sheriffs Department was liable for Shaws death.

At the time of the suits filing, immigration law experts said the argument that a sheriff or warden could be held liable for releasing an illegal immigrant who goes on to commit a crime was unprecedented.

In dismissing the suit Wednesday, Judge Charles F. Palmer found that the federal-local partnership did not mean the sheriff had a mandatory duty to transfer illegal immigrants after they completed their sentences.

-- Victoria Kim
TEA

United States

#9 May 27, 2010
Funny they did mention they belong to a group of progressives called ~~PERF~~... Look it up without the ~~...
ArizonaFightingF orUS

United States

#10 May 27, 2010
Bill wrote:
Why didn't El Paso have representation there? I think I know why, they consider El Paso part of Mexico.
El Paso officials were too busy getting their black "BOYCOTT HATE" painted on their arms......and taking pictures no less. Wonder why the Times isn't publishing a daily journal of the boycott hate crowd.....especially of those innocent children who were used for this ridiculous publicity stunt.
TEA

United States

#11 May 27, 2010
Should have been didn't mention
scamp

AOL

#12 May 27, 2010
Where is the credibility in a hand- picked "blue ribbon committee" of scripted yes men? Point in fact is that Los Angeles is the undisputed gang capital of the world and the spawning vat and safe haven for criminal thug groups like La Mara Salvatrucha; MS13. MS13 in the US; about 10k in head count , is comprised of 90% illegal aliens and now operates throughout the Northern hemisphere and at last check was at war with Nashville's own newly established "Brown Pride" gang of illegal alien thugs.
Same so about MS 13, but different targets, in southern Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Are we supposed to say; "Good job, LA", your policies are very impressive"? Just what the world needed, right, a US city being command center and importer/ exporter of gang thug terrorists for the northern hemisphere. So tell us again what the LAPD Chief does for a living aside from mutual back scratching with the politically protected illegal alien gang thugs and applies the principles of the three monkeys.
brenda

AOL

#13 May 27, 2010
Being in the country illegally is a crime. What the problem is? Them police chiefs need replacements.
Joe

Hilmar, CA

#14 May 27, 2010
brenda wrote:
Being in the country illegally is a crime. What the problem is? Them police chiefs need replacements.
Yes it is!
In it Together

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#15 May 27, 2010
ArizonaFightingForUS wrote:
<quoted text>
This helps them defy the law. Note: I wouldn't travel to LA ever again if my life depended on it. Boycott LA.
L.A. County sheriff can't be sued for releasing illegal immigrant accused of killing football star, judge rules
May 26, 2010 | 4:21 pm
A Los Angeles County Superior Court judge on Wednesday threw out a lawsuit by the parents of a high school football star who had sued the Sheriffs Department for releasing from jail an illegal immigrant suspected of killing their son.
'The parents of Jamiel Shaw II, a running back who was recruited by Stanford and Rutgers universities before he was gunned down in 2008, had accused the sheriff of negligence, wrongful death and civil rights violations for letting Pedro Espinoza out onto the streets instead of turning him over to immigration authorities.
Espinoza, a 21-year-old who prosecutors say was a member of the 18th Street gang in the United States illegally, had been released from jail a day before the shooting after serving time for an earlier offense. His criminal case, in which he faces the death penalty, remains pending.
Shaws family alleged in their suit that because of an agreement allowing local agencies to enforce federal immigration law, the Sheriffs Department was liable for Shaws death.
At the time of the suits filing, immigration law experts said the argument that a sheriff or warden could be held liable for releasing an illegal immigrant who goes on to commit a crime was unprecedented.
In dismissing the suit Wednesday, Judge Charles F. Palmer found that the federal-local partnership did not mean the sheriff had a mandatory duty to transfer illegal immigrants after they completed their sentences.
-- Victoria Kim
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United States

#16 May 27, 2010
why are they telling Holder? he hasn't evern read the bill.
Too Simplistic

El Paso, TX

#17 May 27, 2010
Rally now? Did YOU guys have a massive Hispanic population on the border of Mexico? Please enlighten me on how your state's situation is comparable.
It is amusing that you idgits have an opinion about what police chiefs should be thinking even though I seriously doubt any of you are in law enforcement yourselves. You are aware that most police forces are understaffed, right? That means that dealing with this would not allow them to put as much focus on investigating other crimes such as burglaries, thefts, muggings, sexual assaults, regular assaults etc. etc. etc. Oh that's right! I forgot, only illegals do those kinds of things.
Do you tards really think that if a cop arrests someone for not having their papers, they will just take the person to jail, and that's it? They would have to spend time creating reports, then trying to find the person's identity which requires time and MORE fingerprint examiners and fingerprint database computers. Then once that is all done, they process them to be sent them over to ICE.
You see, they already do this, but if they start doing this through the cops, do you realize how many people they would be dealing with on a daily basis???? Do you have any comcept of the fact that not only would this overburden the police forces that are already lacking in numbers, federal agencies that are just not equipped to handle that volume would not be able to keep up.
Get a brain, do research, analyze objectively, then create an opinion.
Biker Mom wrote:
OK, when WE cracked down on illegals here, we saw a decrease in overall crime while the county to our north that basically stated it would be a safe haven, saw increases in various things. The county over the border and north of that one (also basically sanctuary) saw a rise as well!
Yup, this argument holds a lot of water with me.
Once you step over the border or fail to book a ticket for when your visa expired (or fail to submit the paperwork to renew it or apply for citizenship), then you are already breaking the law.
I'll bet there are a lot of officers who would like to step into the chief's jobs and then open up more officer positions for people looking for a job and who wish to go into law enforcement.
Too Simplistic

El Paso, TX

#18 May 27, 2010
I did not know tea made people partisan zombies with no common sense. Or is it just people who are partisan zombies with no common sense that like to drink kool-aid, I mean tea?
TEA wrote:
Funny they did mention they belong to a group of progressives called ~~PERF~~... Look it up without the ~~...
really dummmm

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#19 May 27, 2010
Too Simplistic wrote:
Rally now? Did YOU guys have a massive Hispanic population on the border of Mexico? Please enlighten me on how your state's situation is comparable.
It is amusing that you idgits have an opinion about what police chiefs should be thinking even though I seriously doubt any of you are in law enforcement yourselves. You are aware that most police forces are understaffed, right? That means that dealing with this would not allow them to put as much focus on investigating other crimes such as burglaries, thefts, muggings, sexual assaults, regular assaults etc. etc. etc. Oh that's right! I forgot, only illegals do those kinds of things.
Do you tards really think that if a cop arrests someone for not having their papers, they will just take the person to jail, and that's it? They would have to spend time creating reports, then trying to find the person's identity which requires time and MORE fingerprint examiners and fingerprint database computers. Then once that is all done, they process them to be sent them over to ICE.
You see, they already do this, but if they start doing this through the cops, do you realize how many people they would be dealing with on a daily basis???? Do you have any comcept of the fact that not only would this overburden the police forces that are already lacking in numbers, federal agencies that are just not equipped to handle that volume would not be able to keep up.
Get a brain, do research, analyze objectively, then create an opinion.
<quoted text>
Being in law enforcement, currnetly assignbed to serve your community, the crime i get are related to criminal illegals. Two birds-one stone.
I like efficiency.
Beyond simplistic

United States

#20 May 27, 2010
I just had to give you a version suitable to your intellect
Your being rude just gets me in such a good mood to go to work,
be seeing you!

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