School strip-search case reaches just...

School strip-search case reaches justices this week

There are 55 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Apr 18, 2009, titled School strip-search case reaches justices this week. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

When Savana Redding, now 19, talks of what happened to her in 8th grade, it is clear the painful memories linger.

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annonymous

Midlothian, IL

#1 Apr 18, 2009
Searching bags, lockers, shoes, even pockets is one thing, but strip searching a child?
School Principal

Springfield, IL

#2 Apr 18, 2009
As a principal in an Arizona elementary school, I know it's my responsibility to make sure the students learn their lessons, and those lessons don't stop with reading and writing and arithmetic. We are responsible for socializing our kids. Lord knows the parents don't know how to do it. So that's where we come in.

We need to inculcate our children with a healthy respect for the law and for authority. The reason we have so much trouble in this country is because there isn't that old fashioned respect for the law.

And that strip search wasn't just about that girl. No - it was done to send a message. Now every student in that school KNOWS that they can be strip searched at any time, especially if another grade school student says they saw them with some contraband.

Also, that strip search helps that girl go into adulthood knowing that the State has the ultimate authority to do what they want with her body. That should put the fear of God in her, should she ever even THINK, FOR EVEN A SECOND, that she might have an abortion, say, if she were to get pregnant.

IF the state says she can have an abortion, then she can have one. And IF the state says she can't have an abortion then she can't have one. It's as simple as that. And if the state says she has to have an abortion, then that's what's going to happen.

She might as well learn this now, before she does something sinful like having sex without being married, thinking that she can get away with it.

So a lesson was learned, and who was harmed, really?

I'm confident the courts will uphold our right to carry out strip searches whenever we think we should.

If that girl can't handle a little strip search in the nurse's office, what's she gonna do when she gets out in the real world?
Stony Stoner

Loomis, CA

#3 Apr 18, 2009
Power trips by adults in charge of children.
These people act like they are prison guards.
They should be arrested for child abuse.
allison

United States

#4 Apr 18, 2009
No they don't need the right to keep every pill out of their school. Middle schoolers can most certainly take an ibuprofin safely. They can take their own prescriptions as well. It is very easy to tell the difference between kids on narcotics and a kid with an aspirin. This draconian overreaching makes no sense and tv Supreme Court will agree!
School Principal

Chicago, IL

#6 Apr 18, 2009
I regret causing you a little discomfort, Mr. Arizona.

But only a tiny bit. You see, you live in a state where those kinds of beliefs are taught daily. It's important to the people in Arizona that the government has the authority to do whatever is necessary in order to assure complete compliance with the law. The majority of the citizens in Arizona have elected leaders whose rhetoric is closely linked to this philosophy.

"We, the leaders, are smarter than the citizens, and we have a moral obligation to assure that everyone follows the moral law that we deem correct."

If you don't think so, look at your laws, and the means which are used by the authorities to enforce them. Oh, this case - a principal ordering a girl to be strip searched, in order to find out if she had a Midol tablet in her underclothes.

If you don't think that's an invasion of a person's right to privacy, then you will be joining the chorus of voices calling for even stricter sentances for possession of drugs, etc.

Think about it!

“Killah89107”

Since: Apr 08

Las Vegas, Nevada

#7 Apr 19, 2009
You have got to be the single most retarded person I've ever dealt with on the internet.

First off, you don't even live here, so you have absolutely no room to even speak, let alone write paragraphs of your immense idiocy.

Secondly, if a school gets away with strip searching a student without a warrant, without parental consent, and without justifiable cause, then the legal system that you want students to have a healthy respect would go to hell in a hand basket.

Thirdly, don't lecture me on the laws of a state you don't even live in. Hell, I don't think you've ever been here.

Finally, how dare you suggest that your personal beliefs are more right than the civil liberties granted to us under the Bill of Rights. This has nothing to do with abortions, fornication, or anything your one-track little mind can think of. This is a clear-cut violation of Ms. Redding's rights. Don't mistake it as anything else. If the Bill of Rights is somehow amended to include your dumbshit views, then, and ONLY then can you talk about it.

I suggest that you stick to forums on issues that affect you, like the weather in Chicago or something that won't make you look like you have Down Syndrome.
Joe American

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Apr 19, 2009
How can educators teach our children critical thinking skills while demonstrating such an utter lack of those same skills themselves? We need to make teaching degree curriculum much more difficult for the sake of our children.
retiree

Bloomingdale, IL

#11 Apr 19, 2009
Of course, if the dear child had died due to complications from taking ibuprofin (unlikely, but remotely possible), the Mother would have sued the district for NOT doing enough to make certain that her child was safe from herself.
mike

Oswego, IL

#12 Apr 19, 2009
School Principal wrote:
As a principal in an Arizona elementary school, I know it's my responsibility to make sure the students learn their lessons, and those lessons don't stop with reading and writing and arithmetic. We are responsible for socializing our kids. Lord knows the parents don't know how to do it. So that's where we come in.
We need to inculcate our children with a healthy respect for the law and for authority. The reason we have so much trouble in this country is because there isn't that old fashioned respect for the law.
And that strip search wasn't just about that girl. No - it was done to send a message. Now every student in that school KNOWS that they can be strip searched at any time, especially if another grade school student says they saw them with some contraband.
Also, that strip search helps that girl go into adulthood knowing that the State has the ultimate authority to do what they want with her body. That should put the fear of God in her, should she ever even THINK, FOR EVEN A SECOND, that she might have an abortion, say, if she were to get pregnant.
IF the state says she can have an abortion, then she can have one. And IF the state says she can't have an abortion then she can't have one. It's as simple as that. And if the state says she has to have an abortion, then that's what's going to happen.
She might as well learn this now, before she does something sinful like having sex without being married, thinking that she can get away with it.
So a lesson was learned, and who was harmed, really?
I'm confident the courts will uphold our right to carry out strip searches whenever we think we should.
If that girl can't handle a little strip search in the nurse's office, what's she gonna do when she gets out in the real world?
God I hope you aren't really a pricipal. You sound like a felon to me.
I guarantee if you had done this to my kid, I would strip you naked and dump you hogtied in the mall.
You are a frightening Nazi moron.
And by the way, the State doesn't have the right to do anything they want.
I hope somebody puts you down before you really ruin a bunch of children.
Jason Lee

River Grove, IL

#13 Apr 19, 2009
Generally speaking, I don't think strip searching is that much of a big deal as long as it's done by a nurse/teacher/school official of the SAME SEX, AND it's done RESPECTFULLY ...

BUT to do it over a suspicion of extra-strength ibuprofen? Now THAT seems a bit weird.

Since: Jan 09

Hinsdale, IL

#14 Apr 19, 2009
School Principal wrote:
As a principal in an Arizona elementary school, I know it's my responsibility to make sure the students learn their lessons, and those lessons don't stop with reading and writing and arithmetic. We are responsible for socializing our kids. Lord knows the parents don't know how to do it. So that's where we come in.
We need to inculcate our children with a healthy respect for the law and for authority. The reason we have so much trouble in this country is because there isn't that old fashioned respect for the law.
And that strip search wasn't just about that girl. No - it was done to send a message. Now every student in that school KNOWS that they can be strip searched at any time, especially if another grade school student says they saw them with some contraband.
Also, that strip search helps that girl go into adulthood knowing that the State has the ultimate authority to do what they want with her body. That should put the fear of God in her, should she ever even THINK, FOR EVEN A SECOND, that she might have an abortion, say, if she were to get pregnant.
IF the state says she can have an abortion, then she can have one. And IF the state says she can't have an abortion then she can't have one. It's as simple as that. And if the state says she has to have an abortion, then that's what's going to happen.
She might as well learn this now, before she does something sinful like having sex without being married, thinking that she can get away with it.
So a lesson was learned, and who was harmed, really?
I'm confident the courts will uphold our right to carry out strip searches whenever we think we should.
If that girl can't handle a little strip search in the nurse's office, what's she gonna do when she gets out in the real world?
This is absolutely appalling.

What you're "teaching" these children is that if one of them has a grudge against another, they can run to the principal with a bald-faced LIE and humilate that other child b/c they know that narrow-minded people like you, who are supposed to look out for their well-being, will willfully traumatize a child based on nothing more than the word of another child.

Forgive me if I don't congratulate you on your smug, self-satisfied willingness to humilate a child.

Since: Jan 09

Hinsdale, IL

#15 Apr 19, 2009
retiree wrote:
Of course, if the dear child had died due to complications from taking ibuprofin (unlikely, but remotely possible), the Mother would have sued the district for NOT doing enough to make certain that her child was safe from herself.
Did you miss the part where they found absolutely NO ibuprofin on this girl and NO REASON to believe they would except the word of another child?
Jason Lee

River Grove, IL

#16 Apr 19, 2009
E_E_E wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you miss the part where they found absolutely NO ibuprofin on this girl and NO REASON to believe they would except the word of another child?
And how dangerous could Ibuprofen (i.e., Advil or Motrin) really be anyway?
NOT a School Principal

Springfield, IL

#17 Apr 19, 2009
Whoa there!

I was being SARCASTIC!

I'm not a school principal.

I believe it's wrong for a student to be strip searched.

I was trying to show that there is a connection between the attitude and behavior of this principal with the attitudes and behavior of people who want to exert their will over a woman who is pregnant - to prevent her from having an abortion, because THEY believe that it's morally wrong.

That's what I was trying to do.

I'll be more direct with my comments in the future.

“Now Retired”

Since: Apr 09

Closer than you think

#18 Apr 19, 2009
School Principal wrote:
And that strip search wasn't just about that girl. No - it was done to send a message.
I hope this post was inflammatory by design!
Arbitrary strip searching [yes an ibuprofen headache pill is arbitrary] of children withour parent or law enforcement consent is a violation of their rights/civil liberties! Using a child as a MESSAGE to other *Jesus wept*
School Principal wrote:
Now every student in that school KNOWS that they can be strip searched at any time, especially if another grade school student says they saw them with some contraband.
So a malicious child can cause severe embarresment and harrasment of another child by hinting the child may have contraband!!
School Principal wrote:
Also, that strip search helps that girl go into adulthood knowing that the State has the ultimate authority to do what they want with her body.
Which country is this again? Draconian and almost unbelievable the power some state officials believe they possess. I hope you have no objections when the parents wish to strip search YOU when someone hints maybe you have contraband. You and people like you are a disgrace!

“Now Retired”

Since: Apr 09

Closer than you think

#19 Apr 19, 2009
DAMN you got me School Principal but your post does raise very valid points. Well done Grrr ;)

“Killah89107”

Since: Apr 08

Las Vegas, Nevada

#20 Apr 19, 2009
Omar Little wrote:
DAMN you got me School Principal but your post does raise very valid points. Well done Grrr ;)
No it doesn't. It raises points that can only be described as illegal, immoral, and idiotic.

“Now Retired”

Since: Apr 09

Closer than you think

#21 Apr 20, 2009
Semantics .. See my post above the one which you quoted :)

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#22 Apr 20, 2009
The principle was being sarcastic !

Too many love their govt and hate their country. Schools have become gun free security zones with drop-out rates climbing and learning rates declining.

What happens when two students fist fight at school ? Both the attacker and the victim get suspended. The school rewards the student that doesn't want to be there and punishes the one who wants to be there. The delinquent gets revenge, the achiever gets victimized.

It's time for a repeal of mandatory attendance laws.

Local police also use the school to capitalize. School employees do anything the cops tell them to do (at school). They do it for safety. More and more the school is a place for security purposes, not for learning purposes. It becomes a place for crime directed toward higher achievers. Cops can target their personal enemies at school.

If rumor has it a student is carrying opium then call the cops and let them determine if probable cause exists. Same for weapons. Or, search them and send them home if they have contraband (but don't strip search them.)

School shootings (caused by gun controls) are creating security zones at our schools. Respect the Constitution if you want to avoid blowback (strip searches).

“Snow days!”

Since: Nov 08

A winter wonderland

#23 Apr 20, 2009
mike wrote:
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God I hope you aren't really a pricipal. You sound like a felon to me.
I guarantee if you had done this to my kid, I would strip you naked and dump you hogtied in the mall.
You are a frightening Nazi ****.
And by the way, the State doesn't have the right to do anything they want.
I hope somebody puts you down before you really ruin a bunch of children.
I think that School Principal was trying to demonstrate the mentality of those who would strip-search a child. I don't think he was serious. Altho, if he is serious, he oughta be horsewhipped.

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