Court Debates Strip Search of Student

Court Debates Strip Search of Student

There are 51 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Apr 21, 2009, titled Court Debates Strip Search of Student. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

The United States Supreme Court spent an hour on Tuesday debating what middle school students are apt to put in their underwear and what should be done about it.

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“Watch out for snakes!”

Since: Mar 08

Over There

#1 Apr 21, 2009
Once again, another form of social engineering.

"We are doing this for your child's well being and safety in schools."

These will be the talking points.
What is accomplished is kids will now be conditioned to give up privacy and civil liberties to authority figures, as part of the new norm.
On the girl in question:
She "might" have been hiding an ibuprofen pill in her underwear? Well for the love of God, just go ahead and assign her a firing squad to make her an example.

WTF

“There's one for ya!”

Since: Oct 08

here, now

#2 Apr 21, 2009
There needs to be a sign put above the entrance of all Government Schools. Maybe the stimulus will pay for it.

"Abandon All Rights, Ye Who Enter Here"

These school admins should have been publicly stripped, then tarred and feathered after being pelted with rotten fruit and dog shite by the entire middle school student body.
No Law

Pulaski, TN

#3 Apr 22, 2009
The biggest part of the problem is that teachers, principles and superintendent are outside of the law.

What the girl was suspected of is a criminal matter, not a school policy matter, transferring prescription drugs to unauthorized persons or drug trafficking.

This is a police matter and they should have been called to address the situation as the girl was separated from the rest of the students.

Anyone suspected of this such activity has the legal right to due process. The school denied her due process in exchange for getting her into her underwear and looking at her breasts.

To me that is just a bunch of predators.

The police are out of the loop in all schools and the rule of law means nothing on school property unless it is a rape, killing or such thing.

If you have a reasonable suspicion that the student has drugs then the only proper thing to do is separate them from the other students and call the police.

Had they don't that the matter would have been resolved almost a decade ago. But no, the school is outside of the law of any civic duty of reporting suspected crime.

They should be sued and thrown out of their jobs.
Citizen

Evergreen Park, IL

#4 Apr 22, 2009
It is paramount that very very strict guidelines are established for conducting these types of very invasive searches on a minor. It must NEVER be conducted by school personell and in some instances not even by police but by medical personell. Simply suspecting that somebody 'may have' contraband hidden in their undergarments should never be grounds to give anybody a legitimate excuse to view a young girls private parts. I was particularly disturbed by Antonin Scalia's comments in this matter.
Seeking truth

Evansville, IN

#5 Apr 22, 2009
That's what happens in a police state. It's the GOP MO. Guilty until proven innocent. For Christ's sake, the girl was an honor student with NO previous behavioral problems. Let's just follow stupid rules and leave our brains at the door, unless of course the alleged perps are rich influential people in the community,(read) GOP campaign contributors! Then special rules apply.
Seeking truth

Evansville, IN

#6 Apr 22, 2009
Heatherfeather wrote:
There needs to be a sign put above the entrance of all Government Schools. Maybe the stimulus will pay for it.
"Abandon All Rights, Ye Who Enter Here"
These school admins should have been publicly stripped, then tarred and feathered after being pelted with rotten fruit and dog shite by the entire middle school student body.
Yeah, just like the new cameras at airports that take digital nude pictures of EVERYONE who flies. These are all vestiges of the failed and perverted BUSH policies.
shadow

Avon, IN

#8 Apr 22, 2009
Heatherfeather wrote:
There needs to be a sign put above the entrance of all Government Schools. Maybe the stimulus will pay for it.
"Abandon All Rights, Ye Who Enter Here"
These school admins should have been publicly stripped, then tarred and feathered after being pelted with rotten fruit and dog shite by the entire middle school student body.
hell we should put that sign at airports.
shadow

Avon, IN

#9 Apr 22, 2009
people need to start standing up for there rights again. heres how it SGOULD have went down.

me: so whats this about?

staff: we have recived a tip that you are holding subtances we whould like to ask you to please remove your cloths for a search

me: is the tip credible?

staff: we cant discuss that.

me: are you a cop?

staff: your going to-

me: i suggest you get one on the line then before i sue you and the people responsible for this so badly they will take the food out of your childrens mouth to pay me. kapeash?

or at least thats what i whould have done.

“There's one for ya!”

Since: Oct 08

here, now

#10 Apr 22, 2009
shadow wrote:
<quoted text> hell we should put that sign at airports.
I won't fly anymore due to those onerous restrictions which do nothing to improve air safety.

Besides, we have an RV, so we never have to leave home!

Since: Jul 07

United States

#11 Apr 22, 2009
since when do these kids have rights. The parents should have been called and witnessed the search. Should we have more columbines? should 5 year olds carry plastic 22's in their shorts and be immune. You want security or you don't - make up your mind cause it may affect you and your children. But don't say it's wrong when it affects you after your choice and then bitch and sue about it. The parents and the kids should be aware of the rules. If you don't like them find another school or home school.
shadow

Avon, IN

#12 Apr 22, 2009
wyojake wrote:
since when do these kids have rights. The parents should have been called and witnessed the search. Should we have more columbines? should 5 year olds carry plastic 22's in their shorts and be immune. You want security or you don't - make up your mind cause it may affect you and your children. But don't say it's wrong when it affects you after your choice and then bitch and sue about it. The parents and the kids should be aware of the rules. If you don't like them find another school or home school.
aparrently you did not read it they were not cops they did not have the authority. and why do you say kids dont have any rights? there american.
Jason Lee

River Grove, IL

#13 Apr 22, 2009
Really, what's the big deal here?

As long as the searchee is the same sex as the searched and acts professionally how could this be so degrading?

It doesn't seem that different from using a lockeroom etc.
No Law

Pulaski, TN

#14 Apr 22, 2009
Seeking truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, just like the new cameras at airports that take digital nude pictures of EVERYONE who flies. These are all vestiges of the failed and perverted BUSH policies.
What I would like to see is someone obtain a legal and up to date copy of one of those images, not in test mode or before they refined the image process, censor it with some black lines or whatever and put it on line so that the general citizenry can actually see just how explicit these images are that are taken of them.

Plus one guy involve with that interviewed on a news show said that they keep those images on record for 40 years but at the next airing of the show that comment was edited out.

Either way they got all those pics of all those naked minors and kids and in my opinion that is illegal unless it is the police investigating illegal porn.

Plus some or many of these airport security screeners are private contractors so that just deepens the matter with possessing such photography.

I wonder if a flier could use the freedom of information act to get a copy of their own naked persons from these screeners?
No Law

Pulaski, TN

#15 Apr 22, 2009
Jason Lee wrote:
Really, what's the big deal here?
As long as the searchee is the same sex as the searched and acts professionally how could this be so degrading?
It doesn't seem that different from using a lockeroom etc.
Sex predator school employees and gym teachers in the locker room and showers already see enough naked kids on a daily basis, you gotta add illegal strip searches to the list.

You work for the school?

What's next? Nude schools like nude beaches?

Since: Jul 07

United States

#16 Apr 22, 2009
shadow wrote:
<quoted text> aparrently you did not read it they were not cops they did not have the authority. and why do you say kids dont have any rights? there american.
By the rules they don't have to be cops and they are authority. They aren't adults. This bullshit about kids having equal rights to adults is part of the problem - not the cure.
No Law

Pulaski, TN

#17 Apr 22, 2009
School policy supercedes the law and legal rights obviously and that has to stop.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#18 Apr 22, 2009
No Law wrote:
School policy supercedes the law and legal rights obviously and that has to stop.
run for the school board or attend the meetings. Teach in a school in an inner city you may see why.
shadow

Avon, IN

#19 Apr 22, 2009
wyojake wrote:
<quoted text>
By the rules they don't have to be cops and they are authority. They aren't adults. This bullshit about kids having equal rights to adults is part of the problem - not the cure.
so your saying staff strip searching a 13 year old girl because they have a hunch is ok?
Citizen

Evergreen Park, IL

#20 Apr 22, 2009
Seeking truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, just like the new cameras at airports that take digital nude pictures of EVERYONE who flies. These are all vestiges of the failed and perverted BUSH policies.
I agree with you regarding those cameras; this is just so unacceptable. I also wonder about any health issues for pregnant women with those cameras. Have you ever seen those pics? They literally scan you down to the bone.
Citizen

Evergreen Park, IL

#21 Apr 22, 2009
shadow wrote:
people need to start standing up for there rights again. heres how it SGOULD have went down.
me: so whats this about?
staff: we have recived a tip that you are holding subtances we whould like to ask you to please remove your cloths for a search
me: is the tip credible?
staff: we cant discuss that.
me: are you a cop?
staff: your going to-
me: i suggest you get one on the line then before i sue you and the people responsible for this so badly they will take the food out of your childrens mouth to pay me. kapeash?
or at least thats what i whould have done.
I agree with you. If they did this kind of shit with my kids, I would take this extremely personal. I don't want to make any threats on the internet but you catch my drift.

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