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Clean Out The Teachers In Grainger County

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Truth Will Stand

White Pine, TN

#1 Sep 26, 2010
News: North Carolina had teachers that were not teaching the children what they should learn. They nonimated one teacher to go and study the teachers that were not helping these children . The one teacher replaced 5 teachers and the children over doubled their learning. This one child got B`s and C`s and after those low learning teachers were replaced , he made A`s. All school systems should learn from this and get better education for their children. Each teacher should be evuated and make them get out or staighten up. Grainger Co is in need for good teachers. Alot of them just do not care.
BEA2004

Powell, TN

#2 Sep 26, 2010
I will second this and have to amen alot teachers will pass a child to get him or her out of her class I am a example of teachers who didnt care it is hard for me to find work cause I stink at math even cashiers at mc d's have to have math skills
Grainger Teacher

Morristown, TN

#3 Sep 26, 2010
BEA2004 wrote:
I will second this and have to amen alot teachers will pass a child to get him or her out of her class I am a example of teachers who didnt care it is hard for me to find work cause I stink at math even cashiers at mc d's have to have math skills
Bea, I'll bet you were one of those students who spent more time disrupting class and disturbing the learning of your classmates. How DARE you get on here and talk down about your teachers. I'll bet all I have that EVERY teacher you had in Grainger County tried their best to get you to learn, but you refused and so did your parents. Now you whine because you can't get a job! You are an example of what's wrong with education....unmotivated students and parents who want to blame their children's failures and their own failures on someone else! I'll even go further...when the teachers did give you failing grades, and you had to be disciplined, I'll bet Mommie and Daddy were at the school screaming that their little darling was being mistreated. I've heard it for years, and seen it as well. Only another uneducated idiot would believe or listen to anything you would have to say about education.
Grainger Teacher

Morristown, TN

#4 Sep 26, 2010
Truth Will Stand wrote:
News: North Carolina had teachers that were not teaching the children what they should learn. They nonimated one teacher to go and study the teachers that were not helping these children . The one teacher replaced 5 teachers and the children over doubled their learning. This one child got B`s and C`s and after those low learning teachers were replaced , he made A`s. All school systems should learn from this and get better education for their children. Each teacher should be evuated and make them get out or staighten up. Grainger Co is in need for good teachers. Alot of them just do not care.
May I ask what qualifies you to make the statements you've made. I don't believe your little story about North Carolina. I'll bet you've left out SEVERAL IMPORTANT FACTS in the story! You expect us to make fine oak furniture with knotty pine wood. Send us better prepared children, and parents who truly care about the children's education, and maybe you'll get more. Thank the Tennessee Legistative bodies for what's wrong in Tennessee Schools. They are the one's who made the mess, not the teachers. Grainger County has some of the best teachers/educators in the country. They have to pass the same tests as any other teacher in the country. The problem is with the parents and students themselves. Parent's don't want their kids to learn....they just want them to pass. Kids don't want to learn because their parents don't motivate them to learn. Look in the mirror if you want the "TRUTH" of the problem!
Truth Will Stand

White Pine, TN

#5 Sep 26, 2010
Grainger Teacher wrote:
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May I ask what qualifies you to make the statements you've made. I don't believe your little story about North Carolina. I'll bet you've left out SEVERAL IMPORTANT FACTS in the story! You expect us to make fine oak furniture with knotty pine wood. Send us better prepared children, and parents who truly care about the children's education, and maybe you'll get more. Thank the Tennessee Legistative bodies for what's wrong in Tennessee Schools. They are the one's who made the mess, not the teachers. Grainger County has some of the best teachers/educators in the country. They have to pass the same tests as any other teacher in the country. The problem is with the parents and students themselves. Parent's don't want their kids to learn....they just want them to pass. Kids don't want to learn because their parents don't motivate them to learn. Look in the mirror if you want the "TRUTH" of the problem!
The national news told this about the teachers in NC this morning Sunday. Nothing was made up by me. That is what the teachers are for to take a child and learn from start. Teachers put the blame on the parents. I agree that parents should step back and let the school teachers do their job , but the teachers should do their jobs. I know for a fact from students and looking with my own eyes that teachers need to have more education and use it. That is what the teachers are paid for. The Legistative System are not the blame for the knowledge that teachers have when in a class room. If a teacher knowledge was up to date then it should be used to teach not to let the kids get by with anything. I know that there are some good teachers but when a kid goes from one class to the other day by day that those kids should be taught with the knowledge of the class that they are in. Now a days teachers are liking in their skills. Maybe that is why that teachers do not want to do their jobs as you quoted "Parents do not want their kids to learn.....just to pass. Poor attitude for the teachers. That would make a teacher just let them get by with alot of stuff and then give them a grade to get them out of your hair. This is sad. No wonder kids are not making grades like they should.
Grainger Teacher

Morristown, TN

#6 Sep 26, 2010
You are totally clueless! ALL teachers in Grainger County have passed the NATIONAL exam to be a certified teacher...ALL TEAHCERS! You can't get a license to teach in Tennessee without it. Do you have one of those? Think you could pass any of the tests? I'll bet not. Poor attitude for teachers? You need to step into a teacher's shoes for a week or so and show us just how to do our jobs. We teach the STATE MANDATED CURRICULUM. We are evaluated constantly. Guess what? Check the evaluations and see whether teachers are not doing what we are told to do by the State Department of Education, and see that we are teaching EXACTLY what is prescribed for your children. I agree...the entire system is broken...but it was not broken by the teachers. We have fought all this Ract to the Top garbage, we have fought all this testing, but you parents keep putting idiots in office to go to Nashville and take away more of our precious teaching time. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE! I think it's funny. When you have a toothache, you go to your Dentist. When you need a shot, you go to your doctor. When your car needs fixing, you go to a mechanic. When you want to eat, you to go a restaurant. When you want to know something about education, you get on Topix, gossip among yourselves, talk to your elected officials, listen to the garbage coming out of Nashville and Washington, D.C.........everywhere but to a teacher...the very ones trained to educate! Frustrated because your kids aren't learning what you want them to learn? Don't blame us...we are teaching what you want taught, the way you want it taught, as directed by the people you put in office to tell us how to do our jobs. We have state legislators, local legislators, and even school board members who just barely made it through high school directing the course for education! And...you have the nerve to get on here and blame teachers! Teachers are in the clasroom every day of the school year teaching! It is sad that students are not there learning as they should! Why is that...not the teacher's fault, but the fault of the parents! Yes, it is my job to teach, but it's your duty as a parent to send me something that can be taught, or is ready to learn. I fully believe that we should close the schools completely, and let you highly qualified parents educate your kids at home. Prepare them for the future though...I'll be doing the same thing, except your kids will be working for my kids because mine will be instructed by an educated, certified, experienced teacher who is a professional in the field of education. Just tell your kids to remember and address their bosses....my kids....as sir and mam!
BEA2004

Powell, TN

#7 Sep 26, 2010
Look I never caused trouble I just trouble learning its called adhd and no teachers were willing to help me until my sophomore yr of high school and I thank god everyday for two wonderful teachers Mrs.Farrah and MRS. JArnigan who thanks to them I was able to get the help I needed and graduate I had A and B's from there own out and NO my parents never came to the school and fussed they whooped my butt my brother fell through the cracks though and never got certified to get help.. Not all teachers are like but some care more about socializing and whether students like them than the education of others and as for the JOB the basic skills were tought in 3rd and 2nd grade
Truth Will Stand

White Pine, TN

#8 Sep 26, 2010
Grainger Teacher wrote:
You are totally clueless! ALL teachers in Grainger County have passed the NATIONAL exam to be a certified teacher...ALL TEAHCERS! You can't get a license to teach in Tennessee without it. Do you have one of those? Think you could pass any of the tests? I'll bet not. Poor attitude for teachers? You need to step into a teacher's shoes for a week or so and show us just how to do our jobs. We teach the STATE MANDATED CURRICULUM. We are evaluated constantly. Guess what? Check the evaluations and see whether teachers are not doing what we are told to do by the State Department of Education, and see that we are teaching EXACTLY what is prescribed for your children. I agree...the entire system is broken...but it was not broken by the teachers. We have fought all this Ract to the Top garbage, we have fought all this testing, but you parents keep putting idiots in office to go to Nashville and take away more of our precious teaching time. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE! I think it's funny. When you have a toothache, you go to your Dentist. When you need a shot, you go to your doctor. When your car needs fixing, you go to a mechanic. When you want to eat, you to go a restaurant. When you want to know something about education, you get on Topix, gossip among yourselves, talk to your elected officials, listen to the garbage coming out of Nashville and Washington, D.C.........everywhere but to a teacher...the very ones trained to educate! Frustrated because your kids aren't learning what you want them to learn? Don't blame us...we are teaching what you want taught, the way you want it taught, as directed by the people you put in office to tell us how to do our jobs. We have state legislators, local legislators, and even school board members who just barely made it through high school directing the course for education! And...you have the nerve to get on here and blame teachers! Teachers are in the clasroom every day of the school year teaching! It is sad that students are not there learning as they should! Why is that...not the teacher's fault, but the fault of the parents! Yes, it is my job to teach, but it's your duty as a parent to send me something that can be taught, or is ready to learn. I fully believe that we should close the schools completely, and let you highly qualified parents educate your kids at home. Prepare them for the future though...I'll be doing the same thing, except your kids will be working for my kids because mine will be instructed by an educated, certified, experienced teacher who is a professional in the field of education. Just tell your kids to remember and address their bosses....my kids....as sir and mam!
When the kids take the test to see how they how learned, that will show who is teaching the kids. Most of them fails. Sure you may have the certificate for teaching but that does not mean nothing. Each teacher or whoever has to do their job and do it right or they fail. It is easy to sat behind a desk and do noting and pass those kids and Grainger County is fair behind on learning those kids. You can blame it on the parents but the parents puts their trust in you teachers to do a good job. That is what your education for teaching is suppose to do. A good teacher does his/her job and does it well.
Grainger Teacher

Morristown, TN

#9 Sep 26, 2010
Truth Will Stand wrote:
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When the kids take the test to see how they how learned, that will show who is teaching the kids. Most of them fails. Sure you may have the certificate for teaching but that does not mean nothing. Each teacher or whoever has to do their job and do it right or they fail. It is easy to sat behind a desk and do noting and pass those kids and Grainger County is fair behind on learning those kids. You can blame it on the parents but the parents puts their trust in you teachers to do a good job. That is what your education for teaching is suppose to do. A good teacher does his/her job and does it well.
And Grainger County has good teachers. It was said well when said, "You can't fix stupid.". Once again, you prove the validity of that statement. You also prove your ignorance as to what teachers in Grainger County do. If a student is "passed on", it is for a good reason....usually for making the grade or for the benefit of the entire class coming up. You need to learn a few truths about Grainger County Schools before you make such unsupported statements.
Looking Glass

Gate City, VA

#10 Sep 26, 2010
Truth Will Stand wrote:
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When the kids take the test to see how they how learned, that will show who is teaching the kids. Most of them fails. Sure you may have the certificate for teaching but that does not mean nothing. Each teacher or whoever has to do their job and do it right or they fail. It is easy to sat behind a desk and do noting and pass those kids and Grainger County is fair behind on learning those kids. You can blame it on the parents but the parents puts their trust in you teachers to do a good job. That is what your education for teaching is suppose to do. A good teacher does his/her job and does it well.
I'm saying this right here and right now because when it comes to education I'm so fed up with the mindless crap that I see scattered mindlessly on here. First of all, if "most" students or teachers or any part of the school system failed the state tests, they would have been gotten rid of or the problems in some way would've gotten fixed.
When I graduated the state was more worried about graduation rates than test scores. Are you gonna blame the graduation rate on teachers too? Students are sent to school with the goal to pass, not excell. I've witnessed this time and time over. That isn't the teacher's fault it is the parent's. If you can't motivate your child to study, learn, succeed, and move on to college, then why even waste your breath talking about the teachers???
The state will not allow the schools to fall away from the standards that have been set (notice that I used the right word and the correct tense of the word "set") before them. I agree, just because they have a certification to do a job doesn't mean that they are doing it right, but parents have a duty to motivate the student also. And they don't! Like your words, grammar, and spelling... your teacher may very well have sucked, but if your parents had supported you in school, and if you had a desire to learn, you would have learned what you wanted to learn! Instead, you choose to blame someone else. Do you feel better? Is it now easier to learn the grammar and basic english mistakes that you just now flubbed over?
My parents motivated me to go to college... they always said "WHEN you go to college" not "if" and encouraged me to think of all the options I had readily available to me and made sure that I knew all I had to do was reach out and take it. Before I even got to high school I had already learned all the coursework for high school level spanish because I TAUGHT MYSELF. I WANTED TO LEARN AND NO ONE WOULD STOP ME. I took it into my own hands. Parents are supposed to provide the car, the student is supposed to study the working of it and learn how to drive, and the teacher is there to help you drive it! It isn't all on the teacher's shoulders it's partly the parent's job too and when you send a teacher a student who isn't prepared for class you are wasting everyone's time. STOP BLAMING THE TEACHERS! Do your job and your duty before you start breathing down someone else's neck.
Call me Frank

United States

#11 Sep 26, 2010
After a year of remedial classes to get me caught up on what I should have been taught by the Grainger school system I recieved my four year college degree five years after leaving Rutledge.
The majority of teachers in the Grainger Couty system are not getting it done. I can count on one hand the teachers who were actually teaching for the right reasons. Many of our teachers need to quit raisig cattle, growing tomatoes and playing county politics their main concern and start treating their teaching position as something other than a sideline.
someone who visits G jail

United States

#12 Sep 26, 2010
does anyone on here visit the grainger county jail?
Grainger Teacher

Morristown, TN

#13 Sep 27, 2010
Looking Glass wrote:
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I'm saying this right here and right now because when it comes to education I'm so fed up with the mindless crap that I see scattered mindlessly on here. First of all, if "most" students or teachers or any part of the school system failed the state tests, they would have been gotten rid of or the problems in some way would've gotten fixed.
When I graduated the state was more worried about graduation rates than test scores. Are you gonna blame the graduation rate on teachers too? Students are sent to school with the goal to pass, not excell. I've witnessed this time and time over. That isn't the teacher's fault it is the parent's. If you can't motivate your child to study, learn, succeed, and move on to college, then why even waste your breath talking about the teachers???
The state will not allow the schools to fall away from the standards that have been set (notice that I used the right word and the correct tense of the word "set") before them. I agree, just because they have a certification to do a job doesn't mean that they are doing it right, but parents have a duty to motivate the student also. And they don't! Like your words, grammar, and spelling... your teacher may very well have sucked, but if your parents had supported you in school, and if you had a desire to learn, you would have learned what you wanted to learn! Instead, you choose to blame someone else. Do you feel better? Is it now easier to learn the grammar and basic english mistakes that you just now flubbed over?
My parents motivated me to go to college... they always said "WHEN you go to college" not "if" and encouraged me to think of all the options I had readily available to me and made sure that I knew all I had to do was reach out and take it. Before I even got to high school I had already learned all the coursework for high school level spanish because I TAUGHT MYSELF. I WANTED TO LEARN AND NO ONE WOULD STOP ME. I took it into my own hands. Parents are supposed to provide the car, the student is supposed to study the working of it and learn how to drive, and the teacher is there to help you drive it! It isn't all on the teacher's shoulders it's partly the parent's job too and when you send a teacher a student who isn't prepared for class you are wasting everyone's time. STOP BLAMING THE TEACHERS! Do your job and your duty before you start breathing down someone else's neck.
Well said!
Grainger Teacher

Morristown, TN

#14 Sep 27, 2010
Call me Frank wrote:
After a year of remedial classes to get me caught up on what I should have been taught by the Grainger school system I recieved my four year college degree five years after leaving Rutledge.
The majority of teachers in the Grainger Couty system are not getting it done. I can count on one hand the teachers who were actually teaching for the right reasons. Many of our teachers need to quit raisig cattle, growing tomatoes and playing county politics their main concern and start treating their teaching position as something other than a sideline.
OK Frank......I will agree that there are a few...and it is a very few....wo do exactly what you say. It's that way in every profession. But....can you say you put all you could have into your classes when you were in school? How often did the teachers have to stop teaching to discipline you? How much work and study did you do on your own? The majority of teachers in Grainger County ARE GETTING IT DONE. There are a few...a very small few...who probably need to go. But....if we are going to get rid of teachers, let's get rid of the parents who are not motivating their children, the County Commissioners who do not fund properly, the legislators who come up with these stupid programs like Race to the Top, and punish the students who refuse to learn. Bet none of you are willing to do any of that....are you? Thank the teachers of Grainger County for teaching you what you needed to graduate, but scold yourself for not doing your part in needing the remedial classes!
Looking Glass

Gate City, VA

#15 Sep 27, 2010
Frank, I can agree we are behind... but it isn't the teachers. They are doing specifically what the state says to do and if they weren't then the state would be down their neck, not people on Topix that can hardly type and want to talk about education! I'm working on my college education right now and I applaud you for doing the same. In fact this ISP you see from Johnson City is because I'm in a dorm room on ETSU's campus. We have no room to get ahead aside from the state's commands when it comes to education so what are we to do? We need to start motivating our students better and try to approach the situation from every angle instead of dropping unprepared children on a small group of people to make up for the fact that parent's no longer take the responsibility to NUTURE their children anymore. Yes, I can think of a few who need to go, but they don't come anywhere near the problem- they still have to teach the same "state-approved" stuff as the others. On another note, I had a professor at UT that gave me some very insightful information once. Upon a statement that I wrote in a paper referencing the difficulties of going to a small rural school (lack of options in classes, lack of diversity in style) he wrote to the side one small sentence... "Never allow any institution to determine what you will learn; you will get back what you put into it." I have that paper folded up and have kept it in the back of my wallet in the bottom of my purse since.:)
Frank

United States

#16 Sep 27, 2010
Ah, ETSU home sweet home. I see you are on track to also becoming a teacher. You are right about one thing, it's hard to be both a parent and a teacher in a seven hour day. One problem I see is that a teacher is required to teach in a way that allows the student to pass a state given test at the end of the year so both the teacher and student can be evaluated. A lot of this criteria is not getting it done for the students in the real world and criples the teacher at the same time. If something needs changinng at the state level who better to change it than the teachers. I commend you for your desire to teach all I ask is that you give it a 100% and always keep in mind the responsibility in which you shoulder.
Looking Glass

Gate City, VA

#17 Sep 27, 2010
Frank wrote:
Ah, ETSU home sweet home. I see you are on track to also becoming a teacher. You are right about one thing, it's hard to be both a parent and a teacher in a seven hour day. One problem I see is that a teacher is required to teach in a way that allows the student to pass a state given test at the end of the year so both the teacher and student can be evaluated. A lot of this criteria is not getting it done for the students in the real world and criples the teacher at the same time. If something needs changinng at the state level who better to change it than the teachers. I commend you for your desire to teach all I ask is that you give it a 100% and always keep in mind the responsibility in which you shoulder.
First off, you should know how dangerous it is to assume things, "Frank". You don't know me, so don't act like you do. Actually, I'm studying medicine. In fact most people in and around the town and school know me exactly for that. And that alone probably has just now made my identity aware to several people. I don't have the patience to deal with spoiled drugged up brats and whiny know-it-all parents.
Actually, teaching has become as difficult as healing. Everyone thinks they can do their job better than someone who spent 6-20 years learning how. So now you've got insurance companies and gov't officials saying "Hey, I don't know the first thing about what you do, but I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna go." So now we've got idiots making OUR jobs harder. Don't get me wrong, not all officials are stupid and wrong (and unlike everyone else, I'm not going to blame Obama for the constantly insufficient healthcare issues).
But yes, you are right, the idiots whose job descriptions have nothing to do with teaching are crippling our education system. But to change that it'll take everyone. I guess everyone has forgotten, but we still vote on important issues even when they don't involve a last name, someone's "grandpappy", or high school popularity. But no, everyone would rather vote according to politcal party and other things that don't matter from way back when. They label people and never listen to what anyone else has to say. They label THEMSELVES and center their opinions around some other dumbass that based THEIR opinions on the label! So yeah, it'll take some voting based on...(OH NO! SHE'S GONNA SAY IT!!!) RESEARCH!!!!
Could Be

United States

#18 Sep 27, 2010
Grainger Teacher wrote:
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OK Frank......I will agree that there are a few...and it is a very few....wo do exactly what you say. It's that way in every profession. But....can you say you put all you could have into your classes when you were in school? How often did the teachers have to stop teaching to discipline you? How much work and study did you do on your own? The majority of teachers in Grainger County ARE GETTING IT DONE. There are a few...a very small few...who probably need to go. But....if we are going to get rid of teachers, let's get rid of the parents who are not motivating their children, the County Commissioners who do not fund properly, the legislators who come up with these stupid programs like Race to the Top, and punish the students who refuse to learn. Bet none of you are willing to do any of that....are you? Thank the teachers of Grainger County for teaching you what you needed to graduate, but scold yourself for not doing your part in needing the remedial classes!
It is true that we have some wonderful educators in Grainger County, but there is also some that need to be shown the door. The school system get's most of the tax dollars in our county but has no accountability. If you make it past 3 years you will get tenure and then will not be fired no matter what you do or don't do. That is what’s wrong with the system. If you are a great educator then you get paid the same as so teacher. I think we should pay the ones getting the job done more and make it harder for the ones just taking up space to stay.
Grainger Teacher You may be great (and I hope you are) but is right for all teacher (even the ones that are just there for a check) to get a pass and not have to answer for their lack of effort.
In my Opinion the Teachers Union is killing the American Education System by protecting the teachers that are just there draw a check or coach a team sport.You may think there is a small group but we will never know because the union will protect them and they will never go away.

Grainger Teacher, How do you like it that some people are given better paying jobs at Central Office just because of who they know not if they are Qualified for the position or not.
Now tell me that nothing is wrong with the School system but the parents of the children are the only ones to blame.
Frank

United States

#19 Sep 27, 2010
Sorry ETSU pre. med. student for assuming that someone with your obvious intelect was just studying to become a teacher. You make some good arguments best of luck to you.
Tell The Truth

White Pine, TN

#20 Sep 27, 2010
Grainger Teacher wrote:
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OK Frank......I will agree that there are a few...and it is a very few....wo do exactly what you say. It's that way in every profession. But....can you say you put all you could have into your classes when you were in school? How often did the teachers have to stop teaching to discipline you? How much work and study did you do on your own? The majority of teachers in Grainger County ARE GETTING IT DONE. There are a few...a very small few...who probably need to go. But....if we are going to get rid of teachers, let's get rid of the parents who are not motivating their children, the County Commissioners who do not fund properly, the legislators who come up with these stupid programs like Race to the Top, and punish the students who refuse to learn. Bet none of you are willing to do any of that....are you? Thank the teachers of Grainger County for teaching you what you needed to graduate, but scold yourself for not doing your part in needing the remedial classes!
Frank said it for alot of these kids. It is a shame and naturally the teachers will say they are smart but these kids and parents know Grainger schools need smart and intelligent teachers. THEN our schools will be smarter. It is a SHAME that the school system is in such a shape and another thing , maybe some of the legislators will read these comments of you school teachers and know how polite that our kids have in school.

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