Biomass project reception more positi...

Biomass project reception more positive at Fair Haven location

There are 38 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Oct 27, 2010, titled Biomass project reception more positive at Fair Haven location. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

Same plant, different town, different reactions. Beaver Wood Energy, LLC, wishes to build two 29.5-megawatt biomass and integrated wood pellet manufacturing facilities in Vermont, but has received differing reactions from Pownal and Fair Haven.

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Liberty

Rutland, VT

#1 Oct 28, 2010
Even Tom Emero of Beaver Woods admits the Pownal location is unique and that water levels are a concern before the added burden of a biomass plant utilizing another 500 thousand + gallons daily. He also admits air quality is an issue. He believes it is a very legitimate concern. Well we agree on something after all.

"Emero said there are two issues in Pownal that don’t exist in Fair Haven: the fact that Pownal is in a valley, and residents have had problems with their wells.

He said residents have reported problems with air quality at different times of the year.

"That is a very legitimate concern," he said, adding that those issues will be addressed in the permitting process, along with worries over water sources.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#2 Oct 28, 2010
He never said it wasn't a concern.

I drive through Pownal a lot. I've never noticed any air quality issues. Where is it coming from? There is no industry nearby.

The location is in a valley, between two mountains. Water flows downhill, collects in the valley. I don't see water as being an issue. Where is the water problem? Up on the hillsides?
Kevin Hoyt

Sarver, PA

#3 Oct 28, 2010
It's a shame the town of Pownal might lose this chance because of a few concerns. The tests, permit applications and studies have all addressed these "concerns" and have shown that both the air and water problems are not really problems. As Mr. Emero has stated, these are only concerns (mostly raised by the liberals in Massachusetts) and not problems. WAKE UP Pownal, this venture means more jobs and will give Vermont the edge on being involved with the latest technology and a leader with the cleanest and most advanced energy alternative that will lessen our reliance on foreign oil.
Fair Share

Northampton, MA

#4 Oct 28, 2010
Hey Pownal, If you don't buy that used Ford Pinto right there's another guy who really wants it.

Please, Fair Haven is just a bit behind the curve in terms of education, give 'em a month and there will be plenty of folks there who won't want an incinerator.
GDog

Miami, FL

#5 Oct 28, 2010
Has this company mentioned what jobs exactly will be created, and more importantly, how much do they pay? That might be a telling figure. I would hope it would be more than a few long-term McJobs.

I understand that the construction itself will created jobs, but I think the majority of those jobs will be taken by the construction company that gets the job.
Southern VT

Grand Isle, VT

#6 Oct 28, 2010
If this doesnt pass state approval to go in Pownal, nothing ever will!

The State has always considered from Rutland down to be part of Massachusetts.
NIMBY

Bennington, VT

#7 Oct 28, 2010
GDog wrote:
Has this company mentioned what jobs exactly will be created, and more importantly, how much do they pay? That might be a telling figure. I would hope it would be more than a few long-term McJobs.
I understand that the construction itself will created jobs, but I think the majority of those jobs will be taken by the construction company that gets the job.
Yes, they have. This company has been more than open with people and far more than it's required to be. Wouldn't know it from the NIMBY camp, though. They don't listen. You've still got a moron (See above post) shouting that it'll draw 500k gallons per day...conveniently ignoring that's the max it will ever draw and the average is much, much lower.
Nice

Williamstown, VT

#8 Oct 28, 2010
Fair Share wrote:
Hey Pownal, If you don't buy that used Ford Pinto right there's another guy who really wants it.
Please, Fair Haven is just a bit behind the curve in terms of education, give 'em a month and there will be plenty of folks there who won't want an incinerator.
Exactly what I was thinking!
GDog

Miami, FL

#9 Oct 28, 2010
Mr Nimby, where has the company said what jobs will be created and how much they pay? Their website only says 50 jobs, no mention job description, no mention of pay. Other sources indicate that only a few of these jobs will be skilled needing training that may not be available locally. The rest seem like "gopher" type jobs. A Target would create the same number of crappy jobs with no noise or pollution.
done time in vermont

Argyle, NY

#10 Oct 28, 2010
some companies have a hard time finding skilled workers for even the most menial jobs in bennington.
NIMBY

Bennington, VT

#11 Oct 28, 2010
GDog wrote:
Mr Nimby, where has the company said what jobs will be created and how much they pay? Their website only says 50 jobs, no mention job description, no mention of pay. Other sources indicate that only a few of these jobs will be skilled needing training that may not be available locally. The rest seem like "gopher" type jobs. A Target would create the same number of crappy jobs with no noise or pollution.
At the public meetings they've held. You know, the ones you're far too busy to attend. Why gather facts when you can make things up?
TruthTellert

Middlebury, VT

#12 Oct 29, 2010
Liberty wrote:
Even Tom Emero of Beaver Woods admits the Pownal location is unique and that water levels are a concern before the added burden of a biomass plant utilizing another 500 thousand + gallons daily. He also admits air quality is an issue. He believes it is a very legitimate concern. Well we agree on something after all.
"Emero said there are two issues in Pownal that don’t exist in Fair Haven: the fact that Pownal is in a valley, and residents have had problems with their wells.
He said residents have reported problems with air quality at different times of the year.
"That is a very legitimate concern," he said, adding that those issues will be addressed in the permitting process, along with worries over water sources.
Provide cites for your claims.
TruthTellert

Middlebury, VT

#13 Oct 29, 2010
GDog wrote:
Mr Nimby, where has the company said what jobs will be created and how much they pay? Their website only says 50 jobs, no mention job description, no mention of pay. Other sources indicate that only a few of these jobs will be skilled needing training that may not be available locally. The rest seem like "gopher" type jobs. A Target would create the same number of crappy jobs with no noise or pollution.
What you think cars and trucks coming and going all the time do not pollute? Son, there were once 5000 cars a day going in and out the track. If we could live with that, we can live with a clean burning wood boiler.

If you know how to run a power plant with just a few skilled people, you have solved a problem the entire industry has not. But hey, thanks for proving you do not know what you are talking about.
Liberty

Rutland, VT

#14 Oct 29, 2010
TruthTellert wrote:
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Provide cites for your claims.
Don't dictate to me. I did provide cites for my claims, I quoted from the Banner article this forum is attached to. Read it yourself.
Bandit

Bennington, VT

#15 Oct 29, 2010
GDog wrote:
Has this company mentioned what jobs exactly will be created, and more importantly, how much do they pay? That might be a telling figure. I would hope it would be more than a few long-term McJobs.
I understand that the construction itself will created jobs, but I think the majority of those jobs will be taken by the construction company that gets the job.
Just stay on unemployment and welfare. Your type doesn't want to work, must be your union background.
Hawkeye

Bennington, VT

#16 Oct 29, 2010
It is really hard to figure out just what people want other than they want their lights on.
Below are objections I have heard people say and seen in numerous articles. People object to:
Nuclear-unsafe-might blow up ad NIMBY
Oil-pollutes and NIMBY
Coal-pollutes (none in Vermont )and NIMBY
Biomass-pollutes, might cause deforesting and NUMBY
Solar-needs back up, not enough sunny days, uses up too much land, takes habitats from wildlife and NIMBY
Wind-needs back up, not enough windy days, uses up too much land, harms birds, takes habitats from wildlife, ruins the view, and NIMBY
Hydro-uses to much land, harms fish/wildlife, can cause flooding and NIMBY
Hydro Quebec-dependant on an outside source, could get expensive if we have nothing in state, sends money out of country, job losses.
Cow Power-smelly-expensive-not enough available and NIMBY
Geo Thermal-too expensive and NIMBY
Natural gas-blows up (none in Vermont) and NIMBY (plants)

I hear people say all these things about various sources of energy, every source there major objections.
GDog

Miami, FL

#17 Oct 29, 2010
Since you two geniuses know everything about powerplants, why don't you use your polesmokers to tell us what jobs are going to be created and how much will they pay? I'm guessing you don't know either.
MyGuess

South Hadley, MA

#18 Oct 29, 2010
Go for (gopher) and Johnny jobs. Minimum wage. High tech paying jobs will be filled with strangers from outside of the area. Isn't that how Vermont Yankee does it?
TruthTellert

Middlebury, VT

#19 Oct 29, 2010
Liberty wrote:
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Don't dictate to me. I did provide cites for my claims, I quoted from the Banner article this forum is attached to. Read it yourself.
You gave no cites. You gave lies that you made up. Now run along and play dumbie somewhere else.
TruthTellert

Middlebury, VT

#20 Oct 29, 2010
GDog wrote:
Since you two geniuses know everything about powerplants, why don't you use your polesmokers to tell us what jobs are going to be created and how much will they pay? I'm guessing you don't know either.
I could, but you aren't smart enough to understand what power plant personnel do.

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