abortion

[Pro-life]

what is up with abortion why isn't it illegal it is murder the fetus has a heart beat at days 22-24 of conception and then has it stopped what kind of birth control is this. people say a women has the right to control her body but if she was aborted she never would have been given the rights. if you are responsible enough to have sex you should be responsible enough to take care of a child. it is selfish for a women to kill her child for her own health, and if your not prepared or can't afford a child theres is always adoption. you should never abuse of kill your child, a child is a gift, the most valuble

[Ms Opinion]

I personally don't agree with abortion but you have to look at it from all sides. If the government starts telling us when we can and cant have children (to abort or not abort) then what's next? What if everyone decides red is the best color and flatters everyone, therefor everyone in America ust wear red? I know it sounds way out there, but just how much control should the law have over us? CFCs have been proven bad for the environment but hair spray still exists. Smoking can cause cancer to those who smoke as well as their kids, co-workers and peers who inhale the second hand smoke---but you don't see them pulling them off the shelves.

There are a lot of "bad" things in this world, too many to even imagine..but as individuals in America we make our own choices. If my daughter is raped by a mentally retarded man and gets pregnant and wanted to abort it i would be behind her 100%. She probably wouldn't want the daily reminded of her rape and the child would probably be bounced around foster care it's entire life which is no life i would want to give a kid. So where do they draw the line? When is it acceptable? Never? There has to be some loop hole for it--there always is.

[pro-life]

Ms Opinion wrote:

I personally don't agree with abortion but you have to look at it from all sides. If the government starts telling us when we can and cant have children (to abort or not abort) then what's next? What if everyone decides red is the best color and flatters everyone, therefor everyone in America ust wear red? I know it sounds way out there, but just how much control should the law have over us? CFCs have been proven bad for the environment but hair spray still exists. Smoking can cause cancer to those who smoke as well as their kids, co-workers and peers who inhale the second hand smoke---but you don't see them pulling them off the shelves.
There are a lot of "bad" things in this world, too many to even imagine..but as individuals in America we make our own choices. If my daughter is raped by a mentally retarded man and gets pregnant and wanted to abort it i would be behind her 100%. She probably wouldn't want the daily reminded of her rape and the child would probably be bounced around foster care it's entire life which is no life i would want to give a kid. So where do they draw the line? When is it acceptable? Never? There has to be some loop hole for it--there always is.

yeah smoking is bad but is your choice not to do it, it is not the babies choice to die from abortion it is the same thing as murder.everyone says it differs because it is a choice but who's choosing,if a adult kills another adult the one killing chose to do so just like the woman having the abourtion chose to do so. the child does not choose to go through this and a woman should not have the rights to control her own body, if she were aborted she never would have got these rights and she should think about controling her own body before she has sex.

[WonderWho]

pro-life wrote:

<quoted text>yeah smoking is bad but is your choice not to do it, it is not the babies choice to die from abortion it is the same thing as murder.everyone says it differs because it is a choice but who's choosing,if a adult kills another adult the one killing chose to do so just like the woman having the abourtion chose to do so. the child does not choose to go through this and a woman should not have the rights to control her own body, if she were aborted she never would have got these rights and she should think about controling her own body before she has sex.

Abortion has a broad area of reasons to do it and reasons not to do it. I honestly don't think it is a horrible choice if the situation has been related to some trauma, such as rape or abuse. To be traumatized like this and then have to force yourself to love the result of it, is a hard thing to do. It is a proven fact that people who do horrible acts such as rape or abuse, do it because it is hereditary and to have a child with this in their family history may possibly be setting them up for their own path of destruction. I don't think the government should be allowed to tell us we can or cannot abort a fetus, however, limits do sound reasonable. These are hard choices to make, abortion is not something for narrow-minded people, this is a decision that comes with consequences and should only be considered as a last resort. Women are told that they can't get their tubes tied unless they are 21 or have had 2 kids (in some cases both), so how many abortions can a woman have before she should be mandated by law to have herself fixed so that she cannot continue to be irresponsible? Personally, I wouldn't WANT to abort a baby, honestly though, if I were raped (regardless of what the person looked like, may have as far as disease, or anything related to that person), I WOULD abort that baby. Having the constant reminder that you have been violated in such a way, is not the way I would want to raise a child.

[pro-life]

WonderWho wrote:

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Abortion has a broad area of reasons to do it and reasons not to do it. I honestly don't think it is a horrible choice if the situation has been related to some trauma, such as rape or abuse. To be traumatized like this and then have to force yourself to love the result of it, is a hard thing to do. It is a proven fact that people who do horrible acts such as rape or abuse, do it because it is hereditary and to have a child with this in their family history may possibly be setting them up for their own path of destruction. I don't think the government should be allowed to tell us we can or cannot abort a fetus, however, limits do sound reasonable. These are hard choices to make, abortion is not something for narrow-minded people, this is a decision that comes with consequences and should only be considered as a last resort. Women are told that they can't get their tubes tied unless they are 21 or have had 2 kids (in some cases both), so how many abortions can a woman have before she should be mandated by law to have herself fixed so that she cannot continue to be irresponsible? Personally, I wouldn't WANT to abort a baby, honestly though, if I were raped (regardless of what the person looked like, may have as far as disease, or anything related to that person), I WOULD abort that baby. Having the constant reminder that you have been violated in such a way, is not the way I would want to raise a child.

it is extremley rare for a women to become pregnant when raped and even if it does happen it is not the childs fault, why punish the child for someone elses mistakes. it is not only the fathers child but it is the mothers as well and the mother is going to live with the tramua from the rape for the rest of her life anyways with or without the child. why not put the child up for adoption, i know it is a long and hard process and can also be expensive but wouldnt you weather look at yourself in the mirror and say i gave my child life to someone who cares about her and loves her other than i selfishley took my childs life away.

[SWVA Traveller]

Abortion laws are discriminatory. In every discussion on abortion, we hear it is the woman's body so it is her right to choose. If a couple is engaged, and they choose to have intercourse before the marriage, and as a result get pregnant, the woman can get an abortion by law. But the man has no legal voice in the matter. He may want to start a family and will love the child and be a great parent. It was his sperm, and he was in a committed relationship so he should have a voice in the matter, but the courts will not let him be included.

Also, if two college kids get drunk, have a one night stand, and she gets pregnant, he has no no legal voice to request an abortion. Yet he will be forced to pay child support until their kid turns 18.

[Kitteh]

Im not even sure why this is being brought up. For centuries there have been those against it and those for it. Medical Doctors write papers on it, scientists do studies on it. No one is going to change their opinion on it. To expect a rape victim to carry a baby for 9 months just to turn around and give it up isn't very logical. Until you've been raped you don't know the trauma and the stress. The feeling of being dirty and having something 'dirty' inside of you. You look at it as a precious embryo with a heart beat. To a rape victim it's just a reminder. When strangers ask her what she's going to name it or what it's going to be, etc. she has to tell them "oh. i was raped. im giving it up." (she doesn't HAVE to, but it's what she is thinking)

No law should make early-term abortion illegal. Let's say you've been wanting to get pregnant your entire life and you finally get pregnant and the government says you can't keep it so they make you have an abortion. You'd be traumatized for life! Now put the shoe on the other foot. You're a 19 year old going to college and one day when you're going to your dorm a guy grabs and rapes you. You don't want a kid right now (it's not your dream), it's not your dream. You certainly didnt ask to be violated. Now the government is telling you that you have to keep something you dont want and didnt ask for. It works the same way.

[pro-life]

SWVA Traveller wrote:

Abortion laws are discriminatory. In every discussion on abortion, we hear it is the woman's body so it is her right to choose. If a couple is engaged, and they choose to have intercourse before the marriage, and as a result get pregnant, the woman can get an abortion by law. But the man has no legal voice in the matter. He may want to start a family and will love the child and be a great parent. It was his sperm, and he was in a committed relationship so he should have a voice in the matter, but the courts will not let him be included.
Also, if two college kids get drunk, have a one night stand, and she gets pregnant, he has no no legal voice to request an abortion. Yet he will be forced to pay child support until their kid turns 18.

I completly agree with you this world is so messed up not only does the father have a say in this but the child never has a chance to say there first word. people never think about what they would have lost if they were aborted they are so self centered and selfish

[pro-life]

Kitteh wrote:

Im not even sure why this is being brought up. For centuries there have been those against it and those for it. Medical Doctors write papers on it, scientists do studies on it. No one is going to change their opinion on it. To expect a rape victim to carry a baby for 9 months just to turn around and give it up isn't very logical. Until you've been raped you don't know the trauma and the stress. The feeling of being dirty and having something 'dirty' inside of you. You look at it as a precious embryo with a heart beat. To a rape victim it's just a reminder. When strangers ask her what she's going to name it or what it's going to be, etc. she has to tell them "oh. i was raped. im giving it up." (she doesn't HAVE to, but it's what she is thinking)
No law should make early-term abortion illegal. Let's say you've been wanting to get pregnant your entire life and you finally get pregnant and the government says you can't keep it so they make you have an abortion. You'd be traumatized for life! Now put the shoe on the other foot. You're a 19 year old going to college and one day when you're going to your dorm a guy grabs and rapes you. You don't want a kid right now (it's not your dream), it's not your dream. You certainly didnt ask to be violated. Now the government is telling you that you have to keep something you dont want and didnt ask for. It works the same way.

so it isnt logical to give your child away but it is to kill it

[Kitteh]

pro-life wrote:

<quoted text>so it isnt logical to give your child away but it is to kill it

Do you care as much about everything with a heartbeat? Do you kill wasps, bugs, spiders, worms when you fish? I bet you do. They all have heart beats but I bet you don't value them like you do a human. Why is that? Why is a 8 week fetus with no personality any more important than a bug or a dog or a cat? I don't see you rallying on here for those! Why do you value human life so highly over everything else that has a heartbeat. God made it all so why is one higher on the list to you? Yes, i would have an abortion before i'd give a kid away if i knew it had mental problems or a deformity. Mark it clueless, mean, or whatever you think. As irrational as I sound to you, you sound ten times more irrational for thinking you can control people's body and what's in it. It's none of your business who has sex and who aborts babies for whatever reason. It's not going to effect you or your family and it won't change anything about your life, your ability to go to heaven, your ability to go to work, or anything else. Shut up and quit trying to change the world, for hundreds of years people just like you have been trying to stop abortion and you never win. The government is not going to tell every woman in America what to do with her body, because it's OUR body and God gave us the freedom to do what we want with it. We will reap the consequences when it's our time and you won't have anything to do with it.

[pro-life]

pro-life wrote:

<quoted text>FYI i don't fucking kill bugs and i don't give a damn if you believe me or not you fuckin dumb ass.its not that i don't value them but its not a law that you can just kill them cuz you don't want them. yeah it is YALLS body but its the childs body thats getting killed BUT THATS NOT YOUR BODY WHY THE FUCK DO YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU DO WITH IT BITCH. a eight week fetus is JUST as important but APPARANTLY I CANT CONTROL WHAT GETS KILLED AND WHAT DOESN'T. srry but obviously you have fuckn mental problems and your mom didn't abort you. if you was aborted than you would not have the chance to be on here runnin your fuckin mouth for your opinion NOW WOULD YOU. it is very rare for a girl to get pregnant by rape and if she does its not the kids fault. she will live with the trama from the rape for the rest of her life with or without the kid and its not just the fathers child it is the mothers too. since you have so much time to be on here runnin your mouth why don't you go to youtube and watch the silent scream. don't watch the thirty minute video there are a few others on there but im sure you will find the right one( its a ultrasound of a abortion)

its part three

[Believe]

Wow, someone is angry that they can't get their way. I pray that you aborted yours since you have such horrible model language. Not once did i call anyone a name on here, and in case you're not aware of what a forum is, it's for OPINIONS. Before you call someone a dumbass you may want to have a dictionary handy.
For someone so strong against abortion i find it hilarious that as soon as someone protests your opinion you think they should have been aborted. You are really undereducated. As far as watching videos, I had to do a senior seminar on abortion and I've seen one done as well. So while you sit your whining butt at home trying to change the world an issue that's never going to change, i use my degree to make a real difference. I work with rape victims, which by the way, reminds me that your made up statistics of "it's rare for a raped woman to get pregnant" is so far off the charts. I don't know who put you in charge of rape victims' ovulation but since you can prevent it and know all the statistics about it i hope you use your special powers so that more of them don't get pregnant, because many of them have and do.

Before you rant on a public forum and call people names you need to research your topic well. I'm assuming you're a narrow minded uneducated man but I could be wrong. Sadly my degree doesn't include mind reading, however i can naturally sense bullshit from a few miles away.

I also would like you to explain what you mean when you say "since you have so much time to be on here..." I learned how to operate a computer several years ago in college and unlike you that probably hunts and pecks all day on the keys, i've managed to type this entire thing in about 3 minutes. Do you see me posting all over the place during the entire day? no. Now quit belly-aching and admit you're mindless tirade will get you nowhere in this country. Posession is 9/10 of the law. If the baby is in a woman's womb it's her's to decide what is best for the situation she is in. Adios kiddo.

[pro-life]

okay for one i never said she shoud be aborted i said if she was she wouldn't have the chance for her opinion about it and i did put my opinion and nothing more it is my opinion that she is a dumbass i never said i could prove it.

[Rain Man]

Kitteh wrote:

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Do you care as much about everything with a heartbeat? Do you kill wasps, bugs, spiders, worms when you fish? I bet you do. They all have heart beats but I bet you don't value them like you do a human. Why is that? Why is a 8 week fetus with no personality any more important than a bug or a dog or a cat? I don't see you rallying on here for those! Why do you value human life so highly over everything else that has a heartbeat. God made it all so why is one higher on the list to you? Yes, i would have an abortion before i'd give a kid away if i knew it had mental problems or a deformity. Mark it clueless, mean, or whatever you think. As irrational as I sound to you, you sound ten times more irrational for thinking you can control people's body and what's in it. It's none of your business who has sex and who aborts babies for whatever reason. It's not going to effect you or your family and it won't change anything about your life, your ability to go to heaven, your ability to go to work, or anything else. Shut up and quit trying to change the world, for hundreds of years people just like you have been trying to stop abortion and you never win. The government is not going to tell every woman in America what to do with her body, because it's OUR body and God gave us the freedom to do what we want with it. We will reap the consequences when it's our time and you won't have anything to do with it.

So you are saying bugs and worms mean the same as a child?? Ask yourself, what have it had been yourself that was aborted.

[pro-life]

Rain Man wrote:

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So you are saying bugs and worms mean the same as a child?? Ask yourself, what have it had been yourself that was aborted.

finally somebody understands my point i have said that so many times that they wouldn't been on her writing there opinions if they were aborted and they just don't understand that there parents had the chance to abort them and if they had they wouldn't have what they have today

[pro-life]

Believe wrote:

Wow, someone is angry that they can't get their way. I pray that you aborted yours since you have such horrible model language. Not once did i call anyone a name on here, and in case you're not aware of what a forum is, it's for OPINIONS. Before you call someone a dumbass you may want to have a dictionary handy.
For someone so strong against abortion i find it hilarious that as soon as someone protests your opinion you think they should have been aborted. You are really undereducated. As far as watching videos, I had to do a senior seminar on abortion and I've seen one done as well. So while you sit your whining butt at home trying to change the world an issue that's never going to change, i use my degree to make a real difference. I work with rape victims, which by the way, reminds me that your made up statistics of "it's rare for a raped woman to get pregnant" is so far off the charts. I don't know who put you in charge of rape victims' ovulation but since you can prevent it and know all the statistics about it i hope you use your special powers so that more of them don't get pregnant, because many of them have and do.
Before you rant on a public forum and call people names you need to research your topic well. I'm assuming you're a narrow minded uneducated man but I could be wrong. Sadly my degree doesn't include mind reading, however i can naturally sense bullshit from a few miles away.
I also would like you to explain what you mean when you say "since you have so much time to be on here..." I learned how to operate a computer several years ago in college and unlike you that probably hunts and pecks all day on the keys, i've managed to type this entire thing in about 3 minutes. Do you see me posting all over the place during the entire day? no. Now quit belly-aching and admit you're mindless tirade will get you nowhere in this country. Posession is 9/10 of the law. If the baby is in a woman's womb it's her's to decide what is best for the situation she is in. Adios kiddo.

by the way the women who say they are raped more than likley aren't there just to embarresed to admitt they had a one night stand or had sex and got pregnant before marrige

[Ken O]

Abortion is a no-win argument. Whether you are pro or anti abortion, it is not likely you will change your mind regardless of the facts. I think radio show personality Neal Boortz has it right. He will talk about almost anything on his show except abortion. When sonmeone brings up abortion, he cuts them off.

[pro-life]

The story is told of a mother who stepped into a doctor's office while carrying a one-year-old baby. Seating herself near her family physician, she said. "Doctor, I want you to help me out of trouble. My baby is only one year old, and I have conceived again. Surely, you understand why I do not want to have children so close together."
"What do you expect me to do?" asked the physician.
"Oh, anything to get rid of it for me," she replied.
After thinking for a moment the doctor said, "I can suggest a better method of helping you. If you object to having two children so near together, the best way would be to kill the one on your lap, and it makes no difference to me which one I kill. Besides, it might be dangerous for you if I undertook to kill the younger one."
As the doctor finished speaking, he reached for a knife and asked the mother to lay the baby out on her lap and turn her head the other way. At that moment, the woman almost fainted away, before rising from her chair and screaming, "murderer."
A few words of explanation from the doctor soon convinced the young mother that his offer to kill her one-year-old was no worse than her request for the destruction of her unborn child. Either way, it
would be murder. The only difference would be in the age of the child.

i found this on the internet but theres no writers name

[coconutcream]

Ken O wrote:

Abortion is a no-win argument. Whether you are pro or anti abortion, it is not likely you will change your mind regardless of the facts. I think radio show personality Neal Boortz has it right. He will talk about almost anything on his show except abortion. When sonmeone brings up abortion, he cuts them off.

i don't understand what your saying

[saltville]

The National Abortion Federation states that out of the 1.3 million abortions done each year less than 5% of them are because of a rape,birth defect, or health problems. That is just ridiculous. And by the way God didn't give us the freedom to have abortions our government did. God created man and woman to, what does the Bible say "be fruitfull and multiply" It is a sin to kill a human being, and that's what abortion does. At eight to 10 weeks the human child or fetus can suck its thumb, jump, do somersaults, squint its eyes to block out the light, frown, swallow, and move its tongue, but it has no personality huh? I'm not trying to sound rude, I used to think that abortion was okay under certain circumstances, but not anymore. Do you guys know what they do to the child to get it out of you? Horrible horrible things and yes they can feel it. Things like putting a tube in you with a little knife on the end, cutting the baby up, and sucking it out, injecting saline into the womb so that the child chokes and suffers severe burns. Some children even live through this. There are so many horrible things. If you do believe in abortion PLEASE look at this website at what happens to a child.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/abortiontypes/