Little Bear Fire aftermath leaves Rui...

Little Bear Fire aftermath leaves Ruidoso relying solely on groundwater wells

There are 13 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Aug 7, 2012, titled Little Bear Fire aftermath leaves Ruidoso relying solely on groundwater wells. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

Because surface water is running thick with sediment and ash after the Little Bear Fire, the village of Ruidoso is forced to depend solely on its groundwater supply wells for the foreseeable future, Ruidoso officials contend.

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pants on fire

Cloudcroft, NM

#1 Aug 7, 2012
So, Ruidoso is facing Level V water ristrictions and may lose half of its phantom water rights in Eagle Creek, even before the fire destroyed the watershed, Presumably the EIS will recommend even less wet water under any new permit..

The village fathers and mothers need to SPECIFICALLY advise the worst case scenerio regarding current consumptive use and future development in Ruidoso if Bonito Lake doesn't come back and the NFS curtailment proposal for a new permit comes to reality. By my calculation, there is not enough water left to support the current population, much less allow for any growth in year around or seasonal occupancy.

Ruidoso really bungled its obligation to its citizens and now the taxpayers will pay for the failure to keep water permits up to date. The current manager and her lap dog bryant will paint a rosey picture; but, I say it ain't so. If everything is ok, let's see facts not platitudes.

May we please have the heads of the elected officals and attornys who recklessly allowed this mess to happen ? Why aren't the contract attorneys being sued for negligence ????
NMCritter

Dillwyn, VA

#2 Aug 7, 2012
Um first off, Ruidoso doesn't get water from Bonito Lake and it is the prior administration's fault that we are in the water crises that we're in. Unfortunately Debbie Lee or anyone else that is running this Village in the ground had nothing to do with the currant water rights.
What I want to know is, why did prior administration let Bonito get sold to Alamogordo? Why didn't that water stay in this county?
Also, this means people need to stop watering lawns!!!!!! The golf courses and parks should also fall under this restriction as well!!!!
RuiRes

Garland, TX

#3 Aug 8, 2012
Back in the 1950's when the railroad decided to sell its water interests in Bontio Lake and Eagle Creek, the railroad decided to sell Bonito Lake to Alamogordo and the air force base. Ruidoso was never in the running to purchase Bonito Lake.

Lincoln County citizens back then (not just Ruidoso) thought a new "Lincoln County War" would arise due to the sale of the lake and water rights to Alamogordo. Refer to the old Ruidoso News articles for more background.

The Railroad sold their Eagle Creek interests to Ruidoso, and out of that came an inter-community water association that served Capitan and Ft. Stanton for a time. That was eventually dissolved leaving Ruidoso holding Eagle Creek.

Ruidoso has a significant problem with lack of available water within Eagle Creek, and this should concern all citizens. Depending on what happens, this will likely also impact Lincoln County because of the significant economic benefit that Ruidoso brings to the County.

For whatever reason, there is much contempt and anger towards Ruidoso and its water history.
henrietta awry

Harrison, NY

#4 Aug 8, 2012
RuiRes wrote:
Back in the 1950's when the railroad decided to sell its water interests in Bontio Lake and Eagle Creek, the railroad decided to sell Bonito Lake to Alamogordo and the air force base. Ruidoso was never in the running to purchase Bonito Lake.
Lincoln County citizens back then (not just Ruidoso) thought a new "Lincoln County War" would arise due to the sale of the lake and water rights to Alamogordo. Refer to the old Ruidoso News articles for more background.
The Railroad sold their Eagle Creek interests to Ruidoso, and out of that came an inter-community water association that served Capitan and Ft. Stanton for a time. That was eventually dissolved leaving Ruidoso holding Eagle Creek.
Ruidoso has a significant problem with lack of available water within Eagle Creek, and this should concern all citizens. Depending on what happens, this will likely also impact Lincoln County because of the significant economic benefit that Ruidoso brings to the County.
For whatever reason, there is much contempt and anger towards Ruidoso and its water history.
Can you site your sources for the above claims? I had been told many times that Ruidoso allowed the water rights to Bonito Lake get away. I'm not doubting you, but I would like to know the truth. I think we're in for big problems due to the lack of water access necessary to provide for the citizens of our town and county.
RuiRes

Ruidoso, NM

#5 Aug 8, 2012
By Ruidoso not being in the "running" for the purchase of Bonito Lake, I mean from a financial, but especially political perspective. This was also true of other local communities that protested the sale to Alamogordo - even as far away as Roswell - which contended that the railroad had lost its water rights due to lack of use (Roswell filed suit in 1954).

Below is part of an article from the Ruidoso News from 11-27-1953 where the Ruidoso News Editor comments on a letter written by Senator Morgan (Morgan also owned the Alamogordo News and was supportive of the sale):

Ruidoso News Editor’s Note: The following is an editorial written by State Senator and Editor M. E. Morgan of the Alamogordo News. By his words, you would feel the senator-editor would, if he could, throttle the still, small voice of a minority. And we over here in Lincoln are a minority, for we do not have the well-placed and influential friends that Otero County has –…– and their current almost impregnable position in regard to Bonito water. They have purse strings of the U.S. Treasury open to them to aid in their fight. And, maybe it's a very small flick of his conscience that puts into his article the word "grab" which is so fittingly apt.

Senator Morgan's editorial is then printed, partly included below, where he wonders why "Lincoln county communities are making the big howl".

Morgan continues, "One would think that the railroad company, from reading some press reports of comments from spokesmen of the Lincoln County communities, that the railroad company is going to turn loose their water rights for new appropriations by big grabs by the strongest contenders."

Morgan wrote that Lincoln County communities "appear to be fussing over how much each should pay for a feasibility report ... in the meantime, Alamogordo has retained its own engineers to make a feasibility report...".

Morgan concludes his letter, "In the meantime communities of Lincoln County should not try to 'mess up' Alamogordo's deal for the Bonito water -- a deal no one of them or even a group of them could probably handle financially. Indeed, Alamogordo would be out of luck in handling the Bonito line were it not for the prospect of the U.S. Government supplying the pipeline to convey water here."

The following is quoted from Representative Drake:

“A new Lincoln County War” will result if Alamogordo acquires the Southern Pacific water rights above the Bonito Lake, the lake itself and the use of the Nogal Lake”, according to one spokesman for Lincoln County, Representative L.S.(Heavy) Drake.

The war was lost at the offices of Southern Pacific Railroad in San Francisco.
neighbor bosley

United States

#6 Aug 9, 2012
The forests are dead. They are reseeding burned hillsides. We are in a drought. Look at the area affected by the white fire. The seed only took in some places. All development needs to stop while the infrastructure is evaluated. No one I know in ruidoso drinks the water. It is preposterous that the water rights to our lake were sold to a desert city. If you open up the big book of stupid government... ruidoso would be feautured in every chapeter. County commissioners celebrating with big dee after they scammed the working people of this county into the tax to save the track? How about we get those two kids who started the white fire and their parental units to clims some mountains and plant some trees? The mountainsides that weren't charred are blanketed with dead trees. Dead. We have faulty water pipes and no water. The wuality of air is getting worse due to the lack of trees.
Good Night Nurse

Ruidoso, NM

#7 Aug 9, 2012
When you live close to nature, you should expect to take what nature gives you. There have been fires, there has been a huge fire, and there will be more fires. If you can't deal with it, move. We are getting monsoonal rains that are greening up the forest and the river was almost dead this time last year but is running full now. Sure it's muddy but so is the Rio Grande. Where do you live? I've got water and I 'll always have water, even if I have to truck it in myself. Actually, I 'd rather bring in my own water, by truck or by well, so that I don't have to rely on the local government agency I get it from now. And oh my God, how do people in the plains or the big cities breathe without trees? Your air quality statement is ridiculous.
Little Stinker

Ruidoso, NM

#8 Aug 9, 2012
Good Night Nurse wrote:
And oh my God, how do people in the plains or the big cities breathe without trees? Your air quality statement is ridiculous.
Just shows how much you know. Without the trees we have no natural source of oxygen. Now we will half to truck oxygen in, and there will be another tax imposed on us to pay for it. OMG what are we to do???
Good Night Nurse

Ruidoso, NM

#9 Aug 9, 2012
Little Stinker wrote:
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Just shows how much you know. Without the trees we have no natural source of oxygen. Now we will half to truck oxygen in, and there will be another tax imposed on us to pay for it. OMG what are we to do???
Hahahahahahaha! Are you Jackie P.? The sky is falling, the sky is falling, and all of the Hondo Valley is going to be flooded out... Oh, wait, we're in a drought. I 'm confused. which is it?
Foot Note

Ruidoso, NM

#10 Aug 9, 2012
Little Stinker wrote:
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Just shows how much you know. Without the trees we have no natural source of oxygen. Now we will half to truck oxygen in, and there will be another tax imposed on us to pay for it. OMG what are we to do???
Will we half to pick up the bill for the extra oxygen needed at the track?
Bait

Ruidoso, NM

#11 Aug 9, 2012
Foot Note wrote:
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Will we half to pick up the bill for the extra oxygen needed at the track?
Do You want to keep the track or loose all that revenue it generates.
Opportunist

Ruidoso, NM

#12 Aug 9, 2012
I'm heading over tomorrow to see Bertha at the business license department at Village Hall to get my license to open up a new oxygen tank store. That's right! A new business in town to serve everybody who is in fear of gasping for air due to the severe conditions we have here in Ruined-oso.
NMCritter

United States

#13 Aug 11, 2012
Opportunist wrote:
I'm heading over tomorrow to see Bertha at the business license department at Village Hall to get my license to open up a new oxygen tank store. That's right! A new business in town to serve everybody who is in fear of gasping for air due to the severe conditions we have here in Ruined-oso.
I know its sarcasm, but I wouldn't open a business in this town! This is the most business unfriendly town!!!! ;-)

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