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Ruidoso School Board recall petition goes forward

There are 39 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Jul 3, 2012, titled Ruidoso School Board recall petition goes forward. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

A state judge, in allowing a recall petition targeting two members of the Ruidoso Municipal School District Board to go forward, ruled there are sufficient facts presented by the petitioner to warrant the recall effort.

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Really

Ruidoso, NM

#25 Jul 11, 2012
Arrogance wrote:
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Isn't is a little arrogant to expect the schools in a town filled with store clerks, laborers and waiters to be excellent? Schools in Vail Colorado are about the same. The gene pool of the servant class cannot support great schools.
Who said anything about excellent? How about just adequate, not graded by the state as an F rated district. Is that to much to ask Mr. Arrogance? You my friend have your head in the sand if you believe that all school districts in all small towns need to be rated with F (failing) components of the district. Here you go wise guy: http://www.greatschools.org/colorado/vail/602... . Our elementary school recieved an F.
nmle2180

Ruidoso, NM

#26 Jul 12, 2012
Michael Morris wrote:
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How do you come to that conclusion? My comments were about corrupt and criminal acts by elected officials, namely voting themselves a legal defense fund in an election case. An unlawful act. That has nothing to do with Harris.
Another Board member used the Board's attorney (in 08 I believe) when she faced recall. That set a precedent. There's no difference now.
just wondering

Ruidoso, NM

#27 Jul 12, 2012
Is anyone aware just how difficult it is to terminate a teacher's contract? Almost impossible. Until that changes at state level we will continue to have teachers that are unqualified working with excellent teachers. What other profession are you not held accountable for growth and success? That problem alone will continue to breed mediocrity in our schools.
just wondering

Ruidoso, NM

#28 Jul 12, 2012
And I might add, until parents take responsibility for sending their children to school prepared to learn, rested, fed and with the expectation of appropriate behavior there will be little change. The schools should not be expected to deal with every problem involved in rearing children. As parents that is our responsiblity.
I Say

Nogal, NM

#29 Jul 12, 2012
Failing wrote:
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Who cares about what Vincent and Gladden have done within the school board. What have they done for our kids? They have been the two members with the most tenue on a board that has run this school district into the ground...you do not understand, it is not about the board. It is about the kids and our kids are failing under the continued leadership of Vincent, Gladden, and Harris. They have had a role in the status of the educational standards in this district that CONTINUE ON A STEADY DECLINE. I do not care that the three of them are all friends and/or they want control of the school board. The entire board needs to go and the district needs some unbiased educators, that have no political connections, ties or asperations in Ruidoso to come manage this mess until our kids can once again obtain an adequate education here. Again, its about the kids not the damn school board. The school board works for the kids and the tax payers and not themselves.
While I am inclined to agree with you, the question is: Where are all the parents of these kids that have not been taught properly?
If the standards have been on a steady decline for sometime, why has it taken this issue for anyone to say anything? It's the same issue as with the Village Council, It is one group of people who support people that THEY can control and manipulate. How do you think Salas got in? You are absolutely right as to the Board working for the kids and taxpayers, who are the parents that voted them in. Unless the parents are allowing the special interest crowd to continue to run everything in this community, whether they have kids in the system or not.
The Kettle is Black

Ruidoso, NM

#30 Jul 12, 2012
nmle2180 wrote:
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Another Board member used the Board's attorney (in 08 I believe) when she faced recall. That set a precedent. There's no difference now.
Vincent.
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Ruidoso, NM

#31 Jul 12, 2012
The Kettle is Black wrote:
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Vincent.
http://www.ruidosonews.com/ruidoso-breaking_n...

Since: May 10

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#32 Jul 12, 2012
No lawyer am I but it does sound like a precedent was set when an atty represented the entire board regarding a previous recall attempt -per their votes,
Parent with students in R

Alto, NM

#33 Jul 12, 2012
Ruidoso Voter wrote:
http://ruidosofreepress.com/vi ew/full_story/19253243/article -Support-of-school-board-actio n?instance=left_column
Glad to hear there are people with similar views who live here.
Dual Standards

United States

#34 Jul 13, 2012
The Kettle is Black wrote:
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Vincent.
Seems to be in Ruidoso that there two standards being applied; one standard for the majority of citizens and another standard for the Vincent family. The reasons why the Vincents are in the news on almost a daily basis is because they feel entitled to violate the rules and the standards that the rest of us live by. Rhonda Vincent is no more entitled to be school board president than her husband is entitled to be fire chief. This is the fame school board member that was teaching school receiving pay from the District and was serving as a school board member at the same time in blatant violation of the school board policies.
Rate Payer

Biloxi, MS

#35 Jul 13, 2012
Dual Standards wrote:
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Seems to be in Ruidoso that there two standards being applied; one standard for the majority of citizens and another standard for the Vincent family. The reasons why the Vincents are in the news on almost a daily basis is because they feel entitled to violate the rules and the standards that the rest of us live by. Rhonda Vincent is no more entitled to be school board president than her husband is entitled to be fire chief. This is the fame school board member that was teaching school receiving pay from the District and was serving as a school board member at the same time in blatant violation of the school board policies.
I don`t know any thing about these people, but something you wrote I disagree with,(I am not disagreeing with you,but with the policy)Why shouldn`t a person be a teacher and a school board member at the same time .What better person to keep the board informed about textbooks that are no good or other "well laid plans" Some School board members run because they want to slash the budget,or promote religion or something that won`t help the kids get ahead.Some vendor comes in and gives a hard sell to ill informed this person could say this is junk and here is why etc.Anyway I am not oppossed to it.
your neighbor

Ruidoso, NM

#36 Jul 13, 2012
Rate Payer wrote:
<quoted text> I don`t know any thing about these people, but something you wrote I disagree with,(I am not disagreeing with you,but with the policy)Why shouldn`t a person be a teacher and a school board member at the same time .What better person to keep the board informed about textbooks that are no good or other "well laid plans" Some School board members run because they want to slash the budget,or promote religion or something that won`t help the kids get ahead.Some vendor comes in and gives a hard sell to ill informed this person could say this is junk and here is why etc.Anyway I am not oppossed to it.
Rate player...most rational people agree. In fact, perhaps ALL future school board members should be teachers also. After all, who would have better insight into the job? But no one should be allowed to violate policy and still serve on the board, or to set different standards/precedents for present members. She was also involved in a borad recall attempt in 2008. The last school board president has recently stated in a public forum that Vincent should be president now because of her education? Why? Is she entittled? Her husband, without any education or experience outside his present position, has become fire chief for the city and that position, in any other city would require a considerable education specific to the field. No dual standards?
Rate Payer

Biloxi, MS

#37 Jul 14, 2012
Well I agree that policies should be adhered to ,but I disagree with this policy as a waste of good experience.
What

Ruidoso, NM

#38 Jul 14, 2012
I believe it is a state law, not local policy that prohibits teachers from serving on a school board while employed by the district. Former teachers may serve on school boards tho'.
Why

Nogal, NM

#39 Jul 14, 2012
Have parents and other voters keep voting these people in?

With Vincent,(interum) fire chief, At least you can blame Debi Lee, Mayor Alborn and the council for letting her get away with it. THEY COULD STOP HER you know. They are her bosses not the other way around.
Isn't there a parent organization that could keep an eye on the board members? Doesn't Board Policy include at minimum, one parent and one Student Representative? If not, someone should find out why not. If they do, who are these reps. and how personally or socially tied to board members are they?
And there should be a retired teacher as adviser to the curriculum, but only as adviser.
And it is curious that Ms. Vincent would be more qualified over any one "because of her education"
Since it doesn't mean squat regarding HER husbands HIGHLY PAID position!
Disappointed

United States

#40 Jul 15, 2012
"Isn't is a little arrogant to expect the schools in a town filled with store clerks, laborers and waiters to be excellent? Schools in Vail Colorado are about the same. The gene pool of the servant class cannot support great schools."

I find your comment rude and representative of all that is wrong with Ruidoso, Village Hall, and the school board. In a town such as Ruidoso, there aren't many job opportunities and many of those who wait tables in our restaurants make as much as those with bachelor degrees who work in other sectors. This has nothing to do with the gene pool or intelligence but everything to do with the atmosphere in this town. My husband and I mistakenly brought our son to this school district from another state. He came from a school that pushed accountability from the top administrators, to the teachers, to the parents, down to the students and out to the community. Parents were given the opportunity to purchase low cost books monthly from Scholastic instead of the once or twice a year book fairs here. Kids participated in BookIt! Accelerated Reader and Math from kindergarten up. Students had homework on a regular basis and parents were required to sign off on a daily communication sheet. Teachers also were required to give parents their email addresses. When I enrolled my child here, I was simply told to send a note with my child if I had any concerns. The teachers here received their education from the same or similar institutions as the teachers from over there. The demographics are similar as well. The difference is management and atmosphere. This town is cancerous and bad attitudes such as yours feed it. We have talented teachers and caring parents; I think we can do without the "our children suck" mentality.
nmle2180

Ruidoso, NM

#41 Jul 17, 2012
The Kettle is Black wrote:
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Vincent.
Yes, Vincent, although who doesn't really matter. It set a precedent.
Oh Brother

Biloxi, MS

#42 Jul 18, 2012
Oh Brother wrote:
Man o man! you guys in Ruidoso are consumed with tearing each other apart!How can a town atract the best people when you see what happens to who ever decides to get a job there?
Yep after a couple of weeks I still think that!I just can`t believe with all the real problems like fires floods,horse dopping, waste water issues,etc etc.The town needs to be distracted by this nonsence.I mean that`s what elections are for!
Plain sight

Alamogordo, NM

#43 Jul 20, 2012
Oh Brother wrote:
<quoted text> Yep after a couple of weeks I still think that!I just can`t believe with all the real problems like fires floods,horse dopping, waste water issues,etc etc.The town needs to be distracted by this nonsence.I mean that`s what elections are for!
That is the way it is all over. Look at the rez next door. The new government changed the dividend payment so everyone has to file federal paperwork which was obviously unpopular. This along with other actions are meant to distract everyone from the embezzlement being carried on right under the noses of the people by their political leadership. By the time anyone finds out the files will be shredded and the money gone.

When you see the distraction look at the other hand.

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