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Added property tax would pay for Ruidoso water bond issue

There are 63 comments on the Hispanic Business story from Feb 5, 2014, titled Added property tax would pay for Ruidoso water bond issue. In it, Hispanic Business reports that:

Feb. 04 --Besides electing a new mayor and voting on people to fill three seats on the village council, Ruidoso voters will be asked March 4 to approve a $3 million general obligation bond issue to pay for water system improvements and extension.

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Since: May 10

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#1 Feb 5, 2014
We must vote NO on this. They are already raising the water rates to pay for the needed repairs and updates. We are going to be stuck with that but there is no need to get stuck with increased property taxes supposedly for the very same thing. VOTE NO.
Water Please

Biloxi, MS

#2 Feb 5, 2014
Everyone should wait to see what they are going to do in Santa Fe and then sell the voters on what is needed depending on what they do up there. why vote to spend money if you don`t have to.
Yvonne

Anaheim, CA

#3 Feb 5, 2014
Oh, goodie. Let's see if the voters will be smart or more stupid than we ever dreamed possible.
Need H2O

Ruidoso, NM

#4 Feb 5, 2014
GladysSmith wrote:
We must vote NO on this. They are already raising the water rates to pay for the needed repairs and updates. We are going to be stuck with that but there is no need to get stuck with increased property taxes supposedly for the very same thing. VOTE NO.
The increased fees included in the water are for ongoing maintenance, not for replacing the current pipes. For too long those in power have neglected to run things properly by building an adequate reserve for ongoing maintenance. Now we are saddled with building that reserve AND replacing the old pipes. You can't maintain something that is already broken, you have to repair or replace. The pipes are currently in such a sad state that they must be replaced.

Since: May 10

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#5 Feb 5, 2014
Need H2O wrote:
<quoted text>The increased fees included in the water are for ongoing maintenance, not for replacing the current pipes. For too long those in power have neglected to run things properly by building an adequate reserve for ongoing maintenance. Now we are saddled with building that reserve AND replacing the old pipes. You can't maintain something that is already broken, you have to repair or replace. The pipes are currently in such a sad state that they must be replaced.
I'm afraid I do not see it your way. The project to replace the pipes was scheduled to be done years ago. How was it that funds were available then and then not? I recall something about diverting those monies to make repairs that were needed after the Hurricane hit which were to be reimbursed by FEMA. The pipe replacement was "put on a back burner", I believe was the expression used by a village official back then. What happened to the FEMA reimbursement funds? The pipes have been barely holding together with iffy patchwork in the years that have followed.

I have some very real concerns and suspicions about the saga of our water pipes. Something is most definitely awry. VOTE NO.
Water Please

Biloxi, MS

#6 Feb 6, 2014
Went on the NM web site and they list the money requests by the County`s name and how much they want and what it`s to be used for. There is a 3,000,000 request to put in radio controlled water meters .When they replaced the water meters around here the old pipes crumbled as they were being done and now the pipes are leaking all over the place more than before they touched them.
Need H2O

Ruidoso, NM

#7 Feb 7, 2014
GladysSmith wrote:
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I'm afraid I do not see it your way. The project to replace the pipes was scheduled to be done years ago. How was it that funds were available then and then not? I recall something about diverting those monies to make repairs that were needed after the Hurricane hit which were to be reimbursed by FEMA. The pipe replacement was "put on a back burner", I believe was the expression used by a village official back then. What happened to the FEMA reimbursement funds? The pipes have been barely holding together with iffy patchwork in the years that have followed.
I have some very real concerns and suspicions about the saga of our water pipes. Something is most definitely awry. VOTE NO.
Those FEMA funds were to relocate the sewer lines which are located in the river, not water lines. I agree that project is taking way too long.
Actually

Ruidoso, NM

#8 Feb 7, 2014
The previous FEMA money was primarily for fixing the bridges washed out by the flood.

The monies being requested from the state by the bill put in by Zack Cook is the state's matching funds for the new FEMA money to relocated the main sewer line out of the river from the reservation all the way to the plant, approx 6 miles. This project is only in preliminary design. It has not been funded yet. Ruidoso and Ruidoso Downs are still fighting over what % each should pay in matching funds.

The new rates are being proposed to cover the costs of operations of the water facilities not the replacement of water lines.

The bond issue is proposed to begin replacing water lines around town.

You cannot perform regular maintenance on water lines, you have to replace them. You set up a schedule based on their longevity and do an ongoing replacement program that never ends because the new lines begin to deteriorate the minute you replace them.Hopefully technology in materials is better today than 20, 30, 40 years ago and new lines have an extended life.

The last time we had a regular replacement program was prior to 2003, since then only one major project was done, during Nunnally's administration. We have more than 200 miles of water lines. A big two million dollar project of line replacement will do maybe two miles or so of lines. You have to design the project (you have gas lines, and other utilities that must be identified and worked around),dig trenches to lay line, attach the lines to each property, fill and compact the trenches and then repave the streets.

None of this includes funds for the cover of grindstone dam or the replacement of alto lake.

Vote for the bond or not, it and update treatment plants and pumps, buy or rent water rights, drill wells and on and on. This is just water, sewer is a totally separate enterprise fund with all these same issues. Same with solid waste/forest waste enterprise funds. Each of these are essentially a separate business that must cover their own expenses. Our monthly VOR bills include all of these, it is not just our water bill. The bill does break it down.
Actually

Ruidoso, NM

#9 Feb 7, 2014
last paragraph after the first comma, should read it "costs money to update" treatment
Water Please

Biloxi, MS

#10 Feb 7, 2014
To Actually you seem like you know where the various money goes. In the Ruidoso News the other day the reporter wrote that when or if the bond passes they will decide how the money is spent. Here is the thing I am wondering about. Up in Santa Fe there is a specific water project for 3 million to replace old water meters with new automated meters for the Village of Ruidoso. I am guessing that this other money is going to fix the problems that are created when you start replacing these meters. I Think that if this money is going for the upgrade of these meters it`s just a big huge give away to the water meter sales company. And unless the Village gives an answer as to where the money is supposed to go what is the average voter supposed to think ? I don`t care about some outside company getting all this money unless it is a true improvement to the water pipes. It seems like the two projects are related but no one is saying. Do you have any better info on this than I can find on my own so far .I can`t even find a copy of the bond to read.I don`t really think that saying pass the bill then we will decide how the money is spent is a good way to pass a bond.
Actually

Ruidoso, NM

#11 Feb 7, 2014
I understand they asked for a total of 9 million on various water and sewer projects. I saw this number somewhere. The matching funds are an actual legislature bill just for Ruidoso (maybe the downs as well) much of the rest is from the capital outlay that the legislature doles out.

The bond issue might have to go for the match on the FEMA sewer project if the bill does not pass. This could only happen if the language on the bond election would allow sewer projects as well. The Village has no real choice on the sewer project as the army corp of engineers wants the line out of the river.
Actually

Ruidoso, NM

#12 Feb 7, 2014
The house bill actually asks for $9 million for match. here is the bill. So they have ask for more than $9 million because they have capital outlay requests as well. If they get the matching funds from the bill I doubt they will get anything else.

HOUSE BILL 162

INTRODUCED BY
Zachary J. Cook and Phil A. Griego

AN ACT RELATING TO DISASTERS; MAKING AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE STATE MATCH FOR INFRASTRUCTURE RECOVERY IN RESPONSE TO THE 2008 FLOOD DAMAGE TO THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN RUIDOSO; DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO:

SECTION 1. APPROPRIATION.--Nine million one hundred
fifty-nine thousand dollars ($9,159,000) is appropriated from
the general fund to the homeland security and emergency
management department for expenditure in fiscal years 2015
through 2019 to plan, design and construct improvements to the
wastewater infrastructure in Ruidoso that was damaged by the
2008 severe flooding within the village limits and as required
by the presidential declarations of emergency and the federal
emergency management implementation plan. Any unexpended or
unencumbered balance remaining at the end of fiscal year 2019
shall revert to the general fund.

SECTION 2. EMERGENCY.--It is necessary for the public
peace, health and safety that this act take effect immediately.
Water Please

Biloxi, MS

#13 Feb 7, 2014
In the list by County Go to LC go down 3 items below the sewer project,.there is a request for 3 million for automated water meters .2014 regular session capital outlay requested capital outlay projects 2014 dated Feb.5th 2014 I don`t know if that was kicked out or if it passed or what last night or what happened to that request.
Shontell

Paramount, CA

#14 Feb 8, 2014
Actually wrote:
The previous FEMA money was primarily for fixing the bridges washed out by the flood.
The monies being requested from the state by the bill put in by Zack Cook is the state's matching funds for the new FEMA money to relocated the main sewer line out of the river from the reservation all the way to the plant, approx 6 miles. This project is only in preliminary design. It has not been funded yet. Ruidoso and Ruidoso Downs are still fighting over what % each should pay in matching funds.
The new rates are being proposed to cover the costs of operations of the water facilities not the replacement of water lines.
The bond issue is proposed to begin replacing water lines around town.
You cannot perform regular maintenance on water lines, you have to replace them. You set up a schedule based on their longevity and do an ongoing replacement program that never ends because the new lines begin to deteriorate the minute you replace them.Hopefully technology in materials is better today than 20, 30, 40 years ago and new lines have an extended life.
The last time we had a regular replacement program was prior to 2003, since then only one major project was done, during Nunnally's administration. We have more than 200 miles of water lines. A big two million dollar project of line replacement will do maybe two miles or so of lines. You have to design the project (you have gas lines, and other utilities that must be identified and worked around),dig trenches to lay line, attach the lines to each property, fill and compact the trenches and then repave the streets.
None of this includes funds for the cover of grindstone dam or the replacement of alto lake.
Vote for the bond or not, it and update treatment plants and pumps, buy or rent water rights, drill wells and on and on. This is just water, sewer is a totally separate enterprise fund with all these same issues. Same with solid waste/forest waste enterprise funds. Each of these are essentially a separate business that must cover their own expenses. Our monthly VOR bills include all of these, it is not just our water bill. The bill does break it down.
FEMA funds do not always go where they are supposed to go or do what they are supposed to do. Ask the former mayor of New Orleans who's set to go to prison for what he did with the monies he got after Hurricane Katrina.
azariah

Ruidoso, NM

#15 Feb 9, 2014
Shontell wrote:
<quoted text>FEMA funds do not always go where they are supposed to go or do what they are supposed to do. Ask the former mayor of New Orleans who's set to go to prison for what he did with the monies he got after Hurricane Katrina.
And Gov. Christie..... Just when you thought he could not get too big for his britches, he did.
Being Hosed

Ruidoso, NM

#16 Feb 9, 2014
I just wish I could trust the Village of Ruidoso. If I were to vote to raise my property taxes to fix the water line etc. That the money would actually go for that. That the Village of Ruidoso NM would act on it, get to work so that we the citizens could tell that they are working to restore the water lines. I am just afraid that for the next three years monies would be gathered in the name of fixing the water lines. And some 5 years from now, we would be asked to have another vote to raise our taxes to fix the water lines. I just have no trust or maybe the correct word is confidence in The Village of Ruidoso to do anything. It's gone, the confidence and trust is just gone. So I say NO> Let them eat cake rather than drink water.
Amused

Ruidoso, NM

#17 Feb 9, 2014
You'll be drinking the water or lack of it too
Yvonne

Anaheim, CA

#18 Feb 9, 2014
Being Hosed wrote:
I just wish I could trust the Village of Ruidoso. If I were to vote to raise my property taxes to fix the water line etc. That the money would actually go for that. That the Village of Ruidoso NM would act on it, get to work so that we the citizens could tell that they are working to restore the water lines. I am just afraid that for the next three years monies would be gathered in the name of fixing the water lines. And some 5 years from now, we would be asked to have another vote to raise our taxes to fix the water lines. I just have no trust or maybe the correct word is confidence in The Village of Ruidoso to do anything. It's gone, the confidence and trust is just gone. So I say NO> Let them eat cake rather than drink water.
You are justified in your lack of trust. After reading candidate Battin's ads for Mayor, wherein he claims he is in SUPPORT of the GoTax, I am seething mad. This man, as a County Commissioner, was in favor of the GRT, too. I can't figure out how he fits in to fiscally conservative, highly Republican Lincoln County. This guy is a proven tax and spend guy...and he's campaigning for MORE money to be handled by the VOR after they've just been found guilty of fraud in the delivery of our water! They haven't spent all the FEMA money for the projects it was intended for, either.

Since: Jul 11

Ruidoso NM

#19 Feb 9, 2014
Yvonne wrote:
<quoted text>You are justified in your lack of trust. After reading candidate Battin's ads for Mayor, wherein he claims he is in SUPPORT of the GoTax, I am seething mad. This man, as a County Commissioner, was in favor of the GRT, too. I can't figure out how he fits in to fiscally conservative, highly Republican Lincoln County. This guy is a proven tax and spend guy...and he's campaigning for MORE money to be handled by the VOR after they've just been found guilty of fraud in the delivery of our water! They haven't spent all the FEMA money for the projects it was intended for, either.
Just saw that ad. Makes me wanna hurl. A big fan of his seems to be Marianne Mohr, the general manager of the Ruidoso News. Hopefully their misleading news stories and purposeful omission of other worthy news stories will not help this fraud get elected. There have been way too many worthless phonies and self-serving politicians leading us down the garden path here in Ruidoso. The VOR is not to be trusted. They have proven themselves to be capable of misdeeds and deceit of the public. These kind of charlatans must be stopped.
Water Please

Biloxi, MS

#20 Feb 9, 2014
The other guy that is running just got a van given to his boys and girls club by the Hubbard Foundation and Gas co . On his Facebook like page he has Battin . Is there any one not connected to the Hubbard`s ?. It like that Kevin Bacon thing 7 degrees of separation.

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