High School Dress Code
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Royse City Mom

Royse City, TX

#1 Dec 6, 2009
Is there really anything we can do to change the dress code at the high school? It is really getting out of hand. I moved to Royse City to get away from the controlling big wigs of Dallas. I had children so that I could raise them, not the city in which I live in. They have to wear what they are told unless they are the few that get the special treatment then they get away with wearing pants painted on and their boobs or stomachs hanging out. They have to wear their hair a certain way as well, again only if they don't fall under the "special" category. Now they have a teacher walk down the hall with a shopping cart remove "hoodies" from the kids wearing them. This is the only warmth these kids have and now they have to throw them in cart unmarked with a lot of other unknowns. They can't wear coats in class and they think if you wear a hoody you're going to kill someone. They law states that a dress code can be enforced if it shows to improve the learning of the students and it does not interfere with the class lessons, a lot of the teachers hate the dress code because it takes away from their lessons.
Dawgdad

United States

#2 Dec 6, 2009
No theres not.

Since: Sep 09

Arlington, TX

#3 Dec 6, 2009
I like the dress code for the most part. I don't really understand why hoodies aren't allowed on campus, but I have not attempted to discuss this with any of the administration. I don't have a problem with them not being allowed, but I also don't see a problem with students being allowed to keep them in their lockers during the school day, which is allowed at other campuses.

Regarding your complaint that parents should "raise" their children...Unfortunately, many parents choose not to raise their children. Additionally, we all know that children can deceive their parents. Just because your children leave the house dressed in a way that you approve of, doesn't mean that they are dressed the same way when they get to school. I like the idea that other people, whether it be teachers, administrators, or my neighbors, are watching out for my family; making sure that my children are both safe and behaving in appropriate ways. It takes a village, right?

On another note, children, especially high school children, need to get used to the idea that they are going to need to follow rules about dress throughout their futures. Just the other day I explained to my son, who incidentally has been rebeling against the dress code, that when he gets a job he must follow their dress code or face the consequence of getting fired. The military also has a strict dress code with consequences for those that don't abide. Why not start teaching children this message in high school or before?

I really have a hard time understanding how the current dress code "takes away" from the teachers' lessons. I am open to any further explanations that you can provide. Also, I would suggest that if you truly have a problem with the dress code, the first step you should take is to contact the administration to obtain their explanations. They may have reasons that you haven't even considered.
Regular Reader

Houston, TX

#4 Dec 6, 2009
I've dealt closely with parents and kids of all ages for many years now.

Our kids are good, there was absolutely no need to go to the dress code. It was crooked and wrong from the beginning. The school convinced a local merchant to carry the clothing so it would be available here, and not send our sales tax money to another city, but the schools then directed parents to Dallas stores. Then even posted those stores (Levines)advertisements inside the school. Needless to say that RC business had to close, lost money.

I know also that some kids were allowed to wear Izod and other logos, when other not as popular kids were made to cut them off.

Parents had a terrible time coming up with these uniforms. It was a financial burden on parents that was unnecessary, and did nothing for moral, school spirit, or safety in the schools.

My personal take on all the school issues is that they started when Principal Setliff came to town.
(I would like to call it what it was but we have to be careful here). Our schools and kids have not been the same since. The school board realized their error, but just moved him into an ISD Office administrative position and continued to pay him and his "two for one" wife.

With Setliff in charge our school colors changed and our logo changed. What a screw up. With the original Royse City Gold and the Collegiate Font for our RC, we looked loud and proud. The stands looked like a sea of bright RC Gold, now we look like gold lame drag queens. That staement is not against our great kids, it's about the stupid newcomer who thought he'd make his mark by changing our historical school color and logo.

It is sad that people come to our town and screw things up. From city hall to the schools. This includes our latest HS Principal. The things I have heard from people (first hand) makes it sound like this guy has no flexability, and has also hurt moral and spirit for teachers and students.

We used to have such school spirit all over town.

If you can't tell, I feel strongly about this.
There is so much that newcomers to RC don't know.
Wish there was a way to let you all know the crap that has happened in the past so you could know why stuff is like it is, and make educated decisions.
Loving Life

Forney, TX

#5 Dec 6, 2009
Well, Regular Reader, I agree with some of what you write, but I am an old timer to this town (graduated here in 1985) and have sent my three children through this system. And having seen WAY too much exposure on kids for way too long, I have no problem with the dress code. I grow weary of attending sporting events only to be forced to see young ladies dressed like hookers and the underwear of every young man around me. If parents had made their children dress appropriately, it never would have come to this. I am not a fan of "big brother", but since too many kids are given free rein on their appearance, choices had to be made. My kids griped and complained about the code. My youngest still does. But they conformed as expected and didn't die from it.
Donnald

Euless, TX

#6 Dec 6, 2009
Regular Reader wrote:
I've dealt closely with parents and kids of all ages for many years now.
Our kids are good, there was absolutely no need to go to the dress code. It was crooked and wrong from the beginning. The school convinced a local merchant to carry the clothing so it would be available here, and not send our sales tax money to another city, but the schools then directed parents to Dallas stores. Then even posted those stores (Levines)advertisements inside the school. Needless to say that RC business had to close, lost money.
I know also that some kids were allowed to wear Izod and other logos, when other not as popular kids were made to cut them off.
Parents had a terrible time coming up with these uniforms. It was a financial burden on parents that was unnecessary, and did nothing for moral, school spirit, or safety in the schools.
My personal take on all the school issues is that they started when Principal Setliff came to town.
(I would like to call it what it was but we have to be careful here). Our schools and kids have not been the same since. The school board realized their error, but just moved him into an ISD Office administrative position and continued to pay him and his "two for one" wife.
With Setliff in charge our school colors changed and our logo changed. What a screw up. With the original Royse City Gold and the Collegiate Font for our RC, we looked loud and proud. The stands looked like a sea of bright RC Gold, now we look like gold lame drag queens. That staement is not against our great kids, it's about the stupid newcomer who thought he'd make his mark by changing our historical school color and logo.
It is sad that people come to our town and screw things up. From city hall to the schools. This includes our latest HS Principal. The things I have heard from people (first hand) makes it sound like this guy has no flexability, and has also hurt moral and spirit for teachers and students.
We used to have such school spirit all over town.
If you can't tell, I feel strongly about this.
There is so much that newcomers to RC don't know.
Wish there was a way to let you all know the crap that has happened in the past so you could know why stuff is like it is, and make educated decisions.
Before I respond fully to your post, I have one quick question? What are you talking about when you say "he changed the school colors?"
LMH

Arlington, TX

#7 Dec 6, 2009
I have to say that I'm not opposed to the school uniform, nor would I be opposed if there was no uniform. Personally, I see no reason for uniform at all so long as there is a dress code in place. The dress code does not have to include a uniform. As kids, we didn't have uniforms, we had a dress code. And I went to high school in the 80's in Virginia Beach, where it was common place to see kids wearing purple mohawks, ripped fishnet stockings, or safety pins strung from the nose to the ear, but it was not allowed in school! They didn't tell us we couldn't have a mohawk, they just said that our personal appearance couldn't interfere with class, so those with mohawks wore baseball caps! Fisnet stockings weren't allowed in school, and neither were the safety pins! We all turned out fine!

If the school administration wants to police our kids clothing, fine. But does it really have to be a uniform?

As far as the hoodies go, I don't mind them being taken up (students are allowed to wear sweaters or non hooded sweatshirts), however they took my son's hoodie on the last day of school last year and he never saw it again. What a waste of $60!!! If the school is going to confiscate our kids belongings, they need to keep a log and have the students sign for them instead of just throwing them into a lost and found bin and allowing any "joe" to claim your jacket! If the school wants our children to act responsibly, they need to show the kids what that looks like.
Regular Reader

Houston, TX

#8 Dec 6, 2009
The school color was changed from the bright gold color similar to the map on the right of your screen right now, to a drab almost flesh toned gold lame (metallic gold thread).

When we were the bright black and gold of the Pittsburgh "Steelers" as I said the sea of bright gold in the stands told the opposing team that our entire town was there (or at least it looked that way). Look at how many professional teams in sports choose this bright gold color.

I agree that no childs underwear should be showing, but I don't believe that RC really ever had that problem. A dress code would address that issue, just like the school measuring the hems of girls dresses back in the 60's did. But to solve a small issue by creating a stiffling and financially burdensome Uniform Code is overkill.

When we first came to RC the PeeWee girls drill team was wearing a gold lame "Swimsuit" for lack of a better description, we were appauled that little girl crotches were exposed that way. Why had a parent not spoken up to say what we wondered.
Soon we discovered that there was a class of parent that was living their youth over through their daughters, others I guess had never considered that there may be preditors watching these baby girls. Nightmares of Jon Bonett Ramsey.
Loving Life

Forney, TX

#9 Dec 6, 2009
I remember a few years ago, just before the school dress policy went into effect, one of the elementary schools had to call a mom because her 5th grader was wearing a black bra under a white lacey top. She was told to pick her up or bring more appropriate clothing. The mom showed up in exactly the same outfit. Good grief. So yes, Regular Reader, some parents are living vicariously through their children. But honestly, if you go to a Friday night football game and pay attention, trust me, you'll see more saggy pants w/visible underwear than you ever want to see again. You'll also get a big dose of exposed cleavage from extremely low cut blouses. As a result, my husband and I get to hear how "unfair" we are for not allowing skinny jeans and low cut shirt purchases, even though "all my friends are wearing them". Being unpopular with your teenager gets old, but hey, at least she's dressed decently!
Donnald

Euless, TX

#10 Dec 6, 2009
Regular Reader wrote:
The school color was changed from the bright gold color similar to the map on the right of your screen right now, to a drab almost flesh toned gold lame (metallic gold thread).
When we were the bright black and gold of the Pittsburgh "Steelers" as I said the sea of bright gold in the stands told the opposing team that our entire town was there (or at least it looked that way). Look at how many professional teams in sports choose this bright gold color.
I agree that no childs underwear should be showing, but I don't believe that RC really ever had that problem. A dress code would address that issue, just like the school measuring the hems of girls dresses back in the 60's did. But to solve a small issue by creating a stiffling and financially burdensome Uniform Code is overkill.
When we first came to RC the PeeWee girls drill team was wearing a gold lame "Swimsuit" for lack of a better description, we were appauled that little girl crotches were exposed that way. Why had a parent not spoken up to say what we wondered.
Soon we discovered that there was a class of parent that was living their youth over through their daughters, others I guess had never considered that there may be preditors watching these baby girls. Nightmares of Jon Bonett Ramsey.
I don't know if you are mixing up the youth sports with the RCISD sports, but I am sorry to inform you that the "Vegas Gold" in the school uniforms was introduced at RCHS over 15 years ago by the Athletic Director at the time. It took a few years to get all the uniforms changed over but by the late 90's the change was complete. The only pro teams I can think of that use that ugly yellow color these days are the Steelers and Pirates, which I hate. I am glad we made the change over 15 years ago.

I find it funny that you gripe about parents living through their kids and letting them where skimpy stuff, but you want to relax the dress code. Talk about opening up for chaos. The current dress code makes it easier for the staff to make sure students are compliant. It simplifies it so the teachers can spend more time teaching and less time fighting students over whether or not their outfit is within the guidelines.

Anyways, you are entitled to your opinion, just make sure it is based upon facts. Fortunately the majority of people don't see things the way you do.
Dawgdad

United States

#11 Dec 6, 2009
Here is the reason for the dress code

This from usa today 8-06
Royse City (Texas) High School's new code also expels sweats, jeans and even shorts, which despite their new tailored silhouette, didn't make the grade for relatively old-fashioned reasons.

"They just got shorter and shorter and shorter, and the teachers had to stop and measure them," explains assistant principal Anne Payne.

Royse City High junior Stacey Lynn Abbe, 16, isn't so keen on the revamped code. "Most days I want to look cute, like most girls," she says. But she'll miss her comfier, now-quarantined clothes on "grunge" days "when I just want to roll out of bed, throw my hair up and put on a little mascara."
Mommadawg

United States

#12 Dec 6, 2009
Have a friend that is a HS teacher at Rowlett HS. She said that she wished they would go to uniforms. She spends most of her time telling kids to pull up their pants and pull down the shirts (to cover exposed midriffs).

I dont know why you have such difficulties finding uniforms. You can find tan or black pants anywhere, along with solid color polos. Target and Walmart even have them. If your kid is cold during the day, buy them a sweatshirt, they are allowed with the RC logo or bulldog on them. They are not expensive. Seriously, what is the REAL problem with it? So they have to wear certain styles and colors, big deal. I no longer have to deal with my kid trying to decide what to wear everyday. We are deff not the only school district to go with the uniform. Just be glad they didnt go to the ties and dresses. Of course they may have to dress like that when they obtain a job. Like it or not, its the rules. Follow them and there isnt a problem. Lifes not always fair, and you have to learn how to deal with it.

If this is worse thing you have to worry about, count your blessing.

Since: Sep 09

Arlington, TX

#13 Dec 6, 2009
Regular Reader wrote:
The school color was changed from the bright gold color similar to the map on the right of your screen right now, to a drab almost flesh toned gold lame (metallic gold thread).
When we were the bright black and gold of the Pittsburgh "Steelers" as I said the sea of bright gold in the stands told the opposing team that our entire town was there (or at least it looked that way). Look at how many professional teams in sports choose this bright gold color.
I agree that no childs underwear should be showing, but I don't believe that RC really ever had that problem. A dress code would address that issue, just like the school measuring the hems of girls dresses back in the 60's did. But to solve a small issue by creating a stiffling and financially burdensome Uniform Code is overkill.
When we first came to RC the PeeWee girls drill team was wearing a gold lame "Swimsuit" for lack of a better description, we were appauled that little girl crotches were exposed that way. Why had a parent not spoken up to say what we wondered.
Soon we discovered that there was a class of parent that was living their youth over through their daughters, others I guess had never considered that there may be preditors watching these baby girls. Nightmares of Jon Bonett Ramsey.
I do not see how the uniform is "financially burdensome". Having school uniforms has saved my family money. Clothes are expensive and most children find it embarrasing to have clothes from Walmart or Target, especially as they get older. I like that I can go to any store that sells uniforms (and there are plenty out there these days) and find shirts for $4 a piece. Plus, it doesn't matter what store they come from because every student's shirts look relatively the same.

By the way, uniforms make doing laundry easier and saves money because there are less loads to wash. School shopping is also easier with uniforms.

The policy in my house is that I buy the school uniforms and any other clothing my children either purchase themselves or receive as a gift.
The Big Picture

United States

#14 Dec 7, 2009
Hopeful in RC you have control issues. With that being said.
Uniforms take away individuality and personality.
It's called communism.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#15 Dec 7, 2009
The Big Picture wrote:
Hopeful in RC you have control issues. With that being said.
Uniforms take away individuality and personality.
It's called communism.
I was in the army for six years - I did not know I was a communist. Dang....
Loving Life

Forney, TX

#16 Dec 7, 2009
Wait.....my son who currently serves in the USAF is a communist???? When did this happen???

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#17 Dec 7, 2009
Frankly, I like dress codes as it is less expensive than dressing them in anything close to today's fashions. But I am a cheapÂ…..
rcbob

Forney, TX

#18 Dec 7, 2009
The dress code is a good idea. A few years back my nephew moved to Plano from Oklahoma his family was not rich and could not afford the name brand clothing so his mother bought what she could where she could. He lasted two months before they transferred him to another school in Dallas which had a dress code.It was a shame the way they treated him. In OK. he was popular and his classmates did not care what he wore. And anyone that wants to argue that the kids have no individuality now are wrong because if there were no codes they would still try and dress like each other.
Roses are red

Richardson, TX

#19 Dec 8, 2009
When are the elementary schools coming on board with the uniforms?...I would love to have my daughter be able to pick her own clothes for the morning with out it being 5 different shades of pink("but pink matches Mom!")... i can definitly see the financial savings with uniforms.

Since: Dec 08

Carrollton, TX

#20 Dec 8, 2009
I have been dealing with the dress code the last 3 years and it is fine as long as you
1) Have enough money to buy 2 or 3 wardrobes if your child has a job.
2) Don't mind you're school district telling you how your childs hair should be cut
3) Or if they can or cannot have piercings or tatoos

Basic parental decisions. If you're ok with those things then it's all good.

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