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Randy

Mesquite, NV

#1 Dec 18, 2012
When I go to church on Sundays. How do I know which ones are the children of God and which ones are the children of the devil?

How do I tell the difference?
Truth Search

Bonham, TX

#2 Dec 18, 2012
Randy wrote:
When I go to church on Sundays. How do I know which ones are the children of God and which ones are the children of the devil?
How do I tell the difference?
If you truly believe the bible to be the word of God and you are willing to do what ever the Bible ask you to we can help you.

5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.(Jn 2:5)

If you have the attitude above you will be in good shape.

If you want to weed out the denominations which teach error right off the bat, here is what you do.

Turn in your bible to (James 2:24) and read the verse several times. Make sure you understand what it is saying (it takes help to misunderstand it).

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Jas. 2:24)

Where ever you go to church just ask them if they teach what this verse says. If they do not teach exactly what it says, get up and go to another church.

Why you might ask?

Here is why.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God...(2Jn 9)

Any church which is teaching error "hath not God".

You can go through alot of denominations real quick just by asking them these questions on the phone.

Then read (1Peter 3:21).

...even baptism doth also now save us ...

After reading it and understanding it (and you need help to misunderstand it) begin calling churches which teaches what that verse teaches. If they refuse to tell you that "...baptism doth also now saves us..." Keep on calling the next church.

If you want to save time just go to a good sound church of Christ which teaches these plain simple verses just as they are found in the Bible (1Peter 4:11). You just cannot go to a church which has a sign above the door (COC) b/c they may not be teaching truth either. Many people refuse to stand upon the word of God.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.(Eph. 6:13-16)

...ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,...(1Thess.2:13)

You can also check out:

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theancientplan.com

thetruthinlove.com

thegospelofchrist.com

If I can help just let me know.

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world...6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.(1Jn 4:1-6)
Randy

Mesquite, NV

#3 Dec 18, 2012
Truth Search wrote:
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If you truly believe the bible to be the word of God and you are willing to do what ever the Bible ask you to we can help you.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.(Jn 2:5)
If you have the attitude above you will be in good shape.
If you want to weed out the denominations which teach error right off the bat, here is what you do.
Turn in your bible to (James 2:24) and read the verse several times. Make sure you understand what it is saying (it takes help to misunderstand it).
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Jas. 2:24)
Where ever you go to church just ask them if they teach what this verse says. If they do not teach exactly what it says, get up and go to another church.
Why you might ask?
Here is why.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God...(2Jn 9)
Any church which is teaching error "hath not God".
You can go through alot of denominations real quick just by asking them these questions on the phone.
Then read (1Peter 3:21).
...even baptism doth also now save us ...
After reading it and understanding it (and you need help to misunderstand it) begin calling churches which teaches what that verse teaches. If they refuse to tell you that "...baptism doth also now saves us..." Keep on calling the next church.
If you want to save time just go to a good sound church of Christ which teaches these plain simple verses just as they are found in the Bible (1Peter 4:11). You just cannot go to a church which has a sign above the door (COC) b/c they may not be teaching truth either. Many people refuse to stand upon the word of God.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.(Eph. 6:13-16)
...ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,...(1Thess.2:13)
You can also check out:
gbntv.org
theancientplan.com
thetruthinlove.com
thegospelofchrist.com
If I can help just let me know.
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world...6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.(1Jn 4:1-6)
If I come and go to the exact same place you go to church.

How do I know which ones are the children of God and which ones are the children of the devil?

How do I tell the difference?
My Example

Bonham, TX

#4 Dec 19, 2012
Randy wrote:
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If I come and go to the exact same place you go to church.
How do I know which ones are the children of God and which ones are the children of the devil?
How do I tell the difference?
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.(Jn 15:14).

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.(1Jn 2:2-4)

...he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb. 5:9)

*Allow me to warn you about looking at people and comparing them to someone else.

12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.(2Cor.10:12)

You MUST look to Jesus and His word for your guidance (Jn 7:17)(Eph. 5:17).

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

thegospelofchrist.com
Bad Examples

Bonham, TX

#5 Dec 19, 2012
Now a look at the attitude of those in error.

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.(Rom. 16:17)

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.(Rom. 2:6)

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.(Rom. 11:22)

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (Mt 24:48)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.(1Cor. 6:9-11)

...shall inherit the kingdom of God.(1Cor. 6:9-11)

...shall inherit the kingdom of God.(1Cor. 6:9-11)

..shall inherit the kingdom of God.(1Cor. 6:9-11)


*19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.(Gal. 5:19)

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us...14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.(2Thes.3:6)

Just a few examples.

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Gospel or NOT

Bonham, TX

#6 Dec 19, 2012
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (2Thess.1:7-9)

The fact is, those who learn about the true gospel, accepts that gospel message and submits to it and then "obeys" that simple gospel message will be a Christian and covered by the grace of God.(Rom. 6:16-18)

What Satan decided to do is confound the message so those who are not {diligently} searching for truth will fall for a lie (Heb. 11:6)(Rom. 3:4).

In the OT Satan tried to get all people on earth to believe there were many gods and they could worship any one of those gods in any manner they wished (idols).

Today Satan has focused on the message and has got man today to think the message does not matter (Jn 17:17)(Jn 15:3). Well truth matters according to the word of God (1Peter 4:11)(1Tim. 2:4).

*Each message must be tested.

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world...

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.(1Jn 4:1-6)

*Difference between the sheep and the goats.

Those who "do not know" or "do not obey" that true gospel will be lost (2Thess.1;7-9).


*Now the question is, what is the gospel?

(1Cor.15:4) it begins with Jesus.

*The gospel was preached to those in (Acts 2:36-47).

37....what shall we do?

38....Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

47....And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The above message is that one must believe Jesus is the Son of God, be willing to repent of their sins, be willing to confess with their mouth Jesus is the son of God and be willing to be baptized (immersed in water) for the remission of their sins.

What kind of Baptism ?(Acts 8:38,39)

Why be baptized?(Acts 22:16)

What takes away our sins when we obey the gospel?

...and washed us from our sins in his own blood,(Rev.1:5)

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; (Eph. 1:7)

There is no other message which can save man.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(James 2;24)

If you will but focus on the right message which is only found in the bible you will be directed by that message to the right meeting house.

* These scriptures below will help you to determine what is truth and what is error.

Truth can only be found in the bible.

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.(Rom. 10:17)

... for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.(Rom. 14:23)

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thegospelofchrist.com

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The Big Lie

Bonham, TX

#7 Dec 19, 2012
The fact is, those who learn about the true gospel, accepts that gospel message and submits to it and then "obeys" that simple gospel message will be a Christian and covered by the grace of God.(Rom. 6:16-18)

Satan has people today believing all they need to do is say a prayer to be saved (sinners prayer).

Nothing could be further from the truth.

You will not find the "sinners prayer" in the NT (after the death of Jesus).


*All "spiritual blessings" are only found -->

*"in Christ"
*(2Tim. 2:10)
*(Eph. 1:3)

The only way "into Christ" (where all sins are forgiven) is to be baptized into Christ.

"into Christ" = Being in the church.

No one is saved outside Christ (the church) and no one is extended the privilege of prayer (a spiritual blessing) outside of Christ (the church).

all spiritual blessings are found "in Christ" (in teh church).

This makes the church essential for salvation.

This is contary to what denominations teach.

Here is a few scriptures which tell us about those blessing which are only found "in Christ".

(Eph. 1:3)
(Eph. 1:7)
(Rom. 8:1)
(2Cor.5:17)
(2Tim. 2:10)
(1Jn 5:11)

I hope these scriptures help.

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Randy

Mesquite, NV

#8 Dec 20, 2012
My Example wrote:
<quoted text>
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.(Jn 15:14).
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.(1Jn 2:2-4)
...he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb. 5:9)
*Allow me to warn you about looking at people and comparing them to someone else.
12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.(2Cor.10:12)
You MUST look to Jesus and His word for your guidance (Jn 7:17)(Eph. 5:17).
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
thegospelofchrist.com
So how do you tell the children of the devil apart from the children of God that go to your church.
Randy

Mesquite, NV

#9 Dec 20, 2012
You do not know who does what or does not do what.

Will a child of God lie to you?
Randy

Mesquite, NV

#10 Dec 20, 2012
The children of the devil will lie to you.

Isn't that how you can always tell a child of the devil?
Christians

Bonham, TX

#11 Dec 20, 2012
Randy wrote:
<quoted text>
So how do you tell the children of the devil apart from the children of God that go to your church.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.(Jn 5:39)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.(Acts 17:11)

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Christians

Bonham, TX

#12 Dec 20, 2012
Randy wrote:
You do not know who does what or does not do what.
Will a child of God lie to you?
It is possible.
COC

Bonham, TX

#13 Dec 20, 2012
The churches of Christ - Rom. 16:16
Fall Away

Bonham, TX

#14 Dec 20, 2012
Randy wrote:
The children of the devil will lie to you.
Isn't that how you can always tell a child of the devil?
A child of the devil will reject the plain simple word of God (Jn 12:48).

If the bible says man is NOT saved by faith "alone" the child of the devil will reject this plain simple doctrine and cling to the faith "alone" saves false doctrine.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(James 2:24)

The child of the devil teaches man needs to say a prayer (the sinners prayer) to be saved. This is just after he tells you one is saved by faith "alone". It is amazing they do not figure out they are opposing themselves coming and going.

the child of the devil will teach man cannot ever fall from grace. But the word of God plainly states the4 following.

whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.(2Peter 2:20)

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip,...18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.(Acts 8:13-24)

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.(Luke 8:5-15)

8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?(Luke 15:8)

...Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.(Luke 15:6)

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.(Jn 15:6)

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.(1Cor.10:8)

All the above teach man can be saved and then be lost.

Most all denoms teach man CANNOT fall from grace (osas).

The bible plainly says man can fall from grace.

The only thing I can figure out is people in denoms do not read their bibles. Instead they accept whatever the preacher tells them without checking his message.

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Randy

Mesquite, NV

#15 Dec 20, 2012
COC wrote:
The churches of Christ - Rom. 16:16
Doesn't it say in the latter days there is going to be a falling away from the church?

Those who fall away from the church are they children of God?
Randy

Mesquite, NV

#16 Dec 20, 2012
None of you have yet to tell me how YOU can know which are the children of God and which are the children of the devil.

So am I correct.

You cannot even in your own church pick them out?
Randy

Mesquite, NV

#17 Dec 20, 2012
If I go to church with you this Sunday and I say see that person over there.

Tell me are they a child of God or a child of the devil.

Would you be able to tell me the truth?
Randy

Mesquite, NV

#18 Dec 20, 2012
That is what I want to know.

Can you discern in your own church who is a child of God and who is not?

Yes

or NO
Christian or NOT

Bonham, TX

#19 Dec 20, 2012
Randy wrote:
None of you have yet to tell me how YOU can know which are the children of God and which are the children of the devil.
So am I correct.
You cannot even in your own church pick them out?
I will answer your question with scripture.

In Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost 3000 accepted the gospel message and was obedient to that simple message (Acts 2:38,41,47). These were the ones on that day of Pentecost which became Christians (Acts 2:36-47)(Heb.5:9)(Rom.6:16-18) .

All those who did not obey the gospel message preached on that day are not Christians (2Thess.1:7-9).

Some may have accepted the message as truth but refused to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins like (Acts 2:38) says (Jn. 12:42). B/c of their choice on that Pentecost day they are not Christians.

You see, I did answer your question about how one tells who is a Christian in any group, you just did not recognize the answer before you.

Your answer is found in (Acts 2:36-47).

24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.(Acts 28:24)

100 people may be in the meeting house where I attend church services. But just being inside the meeting place does not make them all members of the the church.

*****

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:(Eph. 2:16).

Both Jew and Gentile (all flesh) is reconciled to God by the cross.

Most every one agrees to the sentence above. But (Eph. 2:16) has one more very important point to make.

"All flesh" is reconciled unto God "in one body".

People for the most part reject this simple lesson that all men are reconciled to God "in One Body" (one church).

God had one more thing to say about the church.

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.(1Cor. 12:20)

It could not have been said any clearer than (1Cor.12:20).

It is for this reason people dislike the members of the church of Christ. Rom. 16:16)

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Bonham, TX

#20 Dec 20, 2012
The Lord placed those who obeyed that message in (Acts 2:38) in the church (Acts 2:47).

This makes the saved in the church.

This also makes the church essential for salvation.

Who placed the saved in the church?

The Lord.

Are there any saved people outside the church?

NO

Why?

B/c the Lord placed all those who obeyed that message in the church.

*****

One other reason no one outside the church can be saved.

...all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:(Eph. 1:3)

Being "in Christ" is the same as being "in the church".

They are one in the same.

"All spiritual blessings" are found "in Christ" (or in the church).

How does man get inside this body (or church) where all blessings are found?

Not by saying a prayer b/c prayer happens to be one of those spiritual blessing which are only available to those inside the body (or church).(Eph. 1:3)

Here is how one gets "in Christ" (in the church) where all spiritual blessings are found (Gal. 3:27)(Rom 6:3,4)(Acts 2:38,41,47)(Acts 22:16)

What is it that removes our sin when we are immersed into the water?

The Blood of Jesus washes our sins away when we are obedient to the commands of the Lord (Acts 10:34,35)(Heb.5:9).

...and washed us from our sins in his own blood,(Rev.1:5).

...7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; (Eph.1:7).

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