Will Cosco Doom a Royse City Grocery Store?

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Jan 26, 2009
 
Jim wrote:
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Their not still on the City Council, are they? I really think the Council and Mayor know we need a lot to accomodate the citizens of Royse City. I think those "laws" were established by someone that did not know where we were going. Now, we need someone to step up, study those old laws, reconsider their needs and abolish those that are harmful to the growth. Growth sometimes however is not all that good and the price we all have to eventually pay is not worth it.
I'm sure they aren't,(still on the council) I don't even know if the "laws" are still on the books. I just remember talk of how we didn't want that sort of thin near town. And that was the awnser to avoiding it. It has worked that way for a very long time here.
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#22
Jan 27, 2009
 
For years now, the bottom line is, Royse City needs a grocery store. The excuses have gone on for so long that the city government officials actually do believe what they are now saying.
JASON ---HOT RODZ

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Jan 29, 2009
 
Mearl wrote:
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Since you obviously have experience with conspiracies, I would love to hear your conspiracies on the following as well:
UFO's in New Mexico
The Kennedy assassination
9/11
Bigfoot
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is all just rumors spread by ignorant people that don't have commonsense.
I know nothing about any of this but Mearl rocks I love the sarcasm
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#24
Apr 3, 2009
 
Sort of ironic "Dawgdad" placed Rockwall, TX as his location. You must have followed your own advice and moved.
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Please if you want to live close to a store MOVE
As a oldtimer in RC I would perfer to keep it small and not have a store.
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Apr 3, 2009
 
DBGmumuf2 wrote:
Sort of ironic "Dawgdad" placed Rockwall, TX as his location. You must have followed your own advice and moved.
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No still in RC. I don't know why it said Rockwall.
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Apr 3, 2009
 
DBGmumuf2 wrote:
Sort of ironic "Dawgdad" placed Rockwall, TX as his location. You must have followed your own advice and moved.
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Sorry to bust your irony, but you don't choose your location. It is based on your internet service provider.

Just another case of the uninformed talking about things they don't about. Nothing new for this topic board.
LarryCurlyMoe

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#27
Apr 4, 2009
 
I think we are all too consumed about the State of the City for Royse City. We will be ok. Despite the fact that we have to go a little out ot the way to buy groceries, it's not THAT bad. The city will pay their debts with our help and they will be strenghtened by the tye that binds the character of our citizens. There are so many things that need more of our attention. Everybody has been reminded enough about some mistakes. That is done and over with, let's move on. Why don't we put more effort in helping our neighbor? Why don't we volunteer more to help our youth? Why don't we care more for our Senior Citizens? Why don't we support the needs of our schools? What about your friend that lost his job due to a layoff? How about a family member that is suffering from cancer or heart disease? What about those that don't have families and are suffering from those dreadful diseases and other sicknesses? Why don't we listen more to the plea of a teenager that will soon turn to drugs and crime because nobody took the time? What about all of those troops made up of young men and women that are fighting the War in Iraq and Afganistan? How about the mothers and fathers that worry EVERYDAY about them? What about the mothers and fathers that have seen them for the last time? What about our President and his many wars that he will fight everyday. What about our Nation's economical woes? What about the homeless? What about the poverty stricken? What about the disabled? What about the hungry and starving? What about the orphans? What about the abandoned? What about the neglected and what about the abused? What about the lack of kindness and caring? What about those that don't care where they buy their groceries, they just care IF they can buy their groceries? What about the 16 families affected by yesterday's killing spree in New York?
I don't want to sound all full of doom and gloom. I don't want that at all. I really would like for us to count our blessings. Things are not as bad as they seem. We will get by, with the help of each other.
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#28
Apr 5, 2009
 
Look there is no conspiracy going here by individuals or politicians. It is just plain economics. These companies spend millions doing feasiblity studies based on locations and how fast they can get a return on their investment. When the economic conditions are right no one person or political group will keep them from moving here.
The smaller chains are afraid of the larger chains in this size market. IE look what happen to Brookshires in Quinlan. Two years after they built in Quinlan - Walmart moved 2 blocks down. In our size market that is a disaster for them as it will double the time line to start making a profit on their investment.
For those who buy or have bought the line that politicians use to get votes by saying they have the answer to the grocery store problem are just uninformed or lying.
Sammy Joe

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My cousin Larry went to the new Cosco the other day and he said it was "amazing". Much like a 'Sams', but better. He said what he liked about it was the convenience for Royse City and Fate customers. They could exit, go to Cosco and then jump right back on IH-30 or SH-276 with ease. Even easier than going to Wal-Mart. If you like things in bulk, then we may not need a grocery store in Royse City. This is really the way to go and once the new wears off of the Cosco, then the traffic will be better and the trip will be that much quicker. Just a thought, but this may have solved the problem of a grocery store for Royse City.

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#30
Apr 14, 2009
 
Sammy Joe wrote:
My cousin Larry went to the new Cosco the other day and he said it was "amazing". Much like a 'Sams', but better. He said what he liked about it was the convenience for Royse City and Fate customers. They could exit, go to Cosco and then jump right back on IH-30 or SH-276 with ease. Even easier than going to Wal-Mart. If you like things in bulk, then we may not need a grocery store in Royse City. This is really the way to go and once the new wears off of the Cosco, then the traffic will be better and the trip will be that much quicker. Just a thought, but this may have solved the problem of a grocery store for Royse City.
Your cousin is absolutely right! The location is wonderful and the store is amazing! The ease of getting in and out is great. The 205 exits have been reopened BONUS!:-)
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RC Mom of 2 wrote:
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Your cousin is absolutely right! The location is wonderful and the store is amazing! The ease of getting in and out is great. The 205 exits have been reopened BONUS!:-)
Too bad they are in Rockwall and not (RC) on Hickery Hill interchange that costs millions, which was supposed to offer the same immediate access to I-30.
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I have addressed this issue multiple times in multiple forums and, apparently, no one on here has any idea of common sense or how these things work, but I will be brief.
The city officials in Royse City or any other city cannot, CAN NOT, bring a grocery store or any other specific business to town. They can establish the zoning needed for types of businesses (retail, commercial, industrial, etc.), and offer economic incentives in the form of property tax breaks, but that is pretty much all they can do. And, those incentives (and the impact fees which have been mentioned) are EXACTLY the same as offered by all other cities in this area and across Texas for that matter. Some cities have more money to offer than others, but they all are offering the same types of incentives.
Once a business, any type of business, decides it can make money in a certain location, it will come to town. The major retailers and industries spend loads of money on studies and research designed to tell them where they can make money and that, when combined with the zoning and incentive issues, is what typically drives the decision to locate in a specific area.
No business is going to build in a city where it feels it can not make money (especially in this economy) and no city can keep out a business when it believes it can make money. The powers that be at Wal-Mart and Target don't give a flip over whether a local pastor was engaged in child porn or whether this city official or that city official would prefer to see Kroger or Kmart. Provided there is the right zoning, they will go where they want to.
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Well said, LarryCurlyMoe! I personnally would love to see a grocery store, but it will happen when it is time for it to happen. I do believe God is still in charge of these things. Be happy you can afford groceries and have the freedom to purchase them anytime or anywhere you want. There are many people in this country and others that go hungry everyday and would never think about complaining about where they had to go to buy food. The economy right now doesn't lend itself to alot of growth, but it will get better, just as it has in the past. I visited the Costco just last night and I am thrilled that it is as close as it is, since Sam's is so far away. I look forward to shopping there.
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It is simply astounding to me how posters such as "local dude" refuse to open their eyes to how commerce in a small community is commonly initiated. I was intricately involved in two national chain's development and acquisitions operations for 32 years. While it is true that major players utilize internal and/or external growth forcasting programs/systems to plot successful expansion efforts, it is equally true that a community's efforts to recruit business is a major factor in the corporate decision-making process. A major corporation has no desire to locate in an area where it is not wanted. Communities that make an effort to attract specific businesses always receive the favorable decision when it comes to the final vote. It is simple common sense.
I am suspect when an otherwise intelligent sounding person promotes the idea of "doing nothing" to attract business to the community. Doing nothing always attracts the same: nothing. This is such a basic idea in business that I can't imagine that those such as "local dude" are sincere in their assertions that there is nothing that community leaders can do to attract business to Royse City.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting business to locate in a person's community. If that is their wish, they should simply say so.
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Charles K wrote:
While it is true that major players utilize internal and/or external growth forcasting programs/systems to plot successful expansion efforts, it is equally true that a community's efforts to recruit business is a major factor in the corporate decision-making process. A major corporation has no desire to locate in an area where it is not wanted. Communities that make an effort to attract specific businesses always receive the favorable decision when it comes to the final vote. It is simple common sense.
I am suspect when an otherwise intelligent sounding person promotes the idea of "doing nothing" to attract business to the community. Doing nothing always attracts the same: nothing. This is such a basic idea in business that I can't imagine that those such as "local dude" are sincere in their assertions that there is nothing that community leaders can do to attract business to Royse City.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting business to locate in a person's community. If that is their wish, they should simply say so.
OK, I'm sorry, but at least some of what you've said there is simply not the case.
What I said (and have said) was that community leaders cannot simply bring a grocery store or any other business to town on their own. Yes, they can invite the business to town (and should) and yes, they can (and should) establish the zoning and offer economic incentives. But, again, and I am getting blue in the face here, that is ALL they can do and it is no more and no less than what any other city in Texas is doing. After that, it has been and always will be UP TO THE BUSINESS to decide where it wants to go.
I never, never, never, said city leaders should do nothing. What I have been saying is that people in Royse City, Greenville, Terrell, wherever should be aware that city leaders can do little to make it happen, because they are doing the EXACT same thing every other city leader of every other city is doing. So, to endlessly bash city leaders for their "failure" to bring in a grocery store makes as much sense as bashing city leaders for their failure to bring in a new airport or new automobile plant or any other business. It will be up to the business to decide where it wants to go. Those businesses know where they are wanted (really, what town anywhere doesn't want additional retail?) and they also know where they can make enough money to recoup the substantial investment they will have to provide in order to locate in a specific area.
This is just plain and simple Economics 101.
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Apr 14, 2009
 
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OK, I'm sorry, but at least some of what you've said there is simply not the case.
What I said (and have said) was that community leaders cannot simply bring a grocery store or any other business to town on their own. Yes, they can invite the business to town (and should) and yes, they can (and should) establish the zoning and offer economic incentives. But, again, and I am getting blue in the face here, that is ALL they can do and it is no more and no less than what any other city in Texas is doing. After that, it has been and always will be UP TO THE BUSINESS to decide where it wants to go.
I never, never, never, said city leaders should do nothing. What I have been saying is that people in Royse City, Greenville, Terrell, wherever should be aware that city leaders can do little to make it happen, because they are doing the EXACT same thing every other city leader of every other city is doing. So, to endlessly bash city leaders for their "failure" to bring in a grocery store makes as much sense as bashing city leaders for their failure to bring in a new airport or new automobile plant or any other business. It will be up to the business to decide where it wants to go. Those businesses know where they are wanted (really, what town anywhere doesn't want additional retail?) and they also know where they can make enough money to recoup the substantial investment they will have to provide in order to locate in a specific area.
This is just plain and simple Economics 101.
I read this blog quite often but have never posted before today. While I plan no further posts, and at the risk of exaserbating your blue condition, I just cannot allow your irresponsible statements to go unanswered.

You have made several assumptions which are simply not true. You pose the question of what town doesn't want additional retail establishments as if they all, in fact, do. The fact is that many small communities do not want to attract business to their communities and desire their little towns to remain as they are. As I previously posted there is nothing wrong with this position. The community needs to decide where it wants to go.

You lead people to believe that ALL communities are actively courting business to invest in their communities. Again, this is not the case. The fact is that most (i.e. Royse City) do essentially nothing to atttact outlets. This is why those communities that make vigorous attempts to attract the attention of business are successful more times than not. Although most communities utilize an in-house committee or task force, there are actually a number of highly respected professional organizations that are hired by communities to conduct campaigns to promote their growth. A decent CM should be well versed in the practice. This isn't a secret - it is common practice.

I suggest that you calm down and quit getting so upset. You are wrong - no big deal. We are all wrong some time. I think you write and voice your opinions very well and you should be congratulated for so doing. My best to you and yours.

... and although this is nothing that I ever taught in my economics classes I agree that it might be a part of a civics or basic government curriculum.
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Apr 14, 2009
 
Charles K wrote:
It is simply astounding to me how posters such as "local dude" refuse to open their eyes to how commerce in a small community is commonly initiated. I was intricately involved in two national chain's development and acquisitions operations for 32 years. While it is true that major players utilize internal and/or external growth forcasting programs/systems to plot successful expansion efforts, it is equally true that a community's efforts to recruit business is a major factor in the corporate decision-making process. A major corporation has no desire to locate in an area where it is not wanted. Communities that make an effort to attract specific businesses always receive the favorable decision when it comes to the final vote. It is simple common sense.
I am suspect when an otherwise intelligent sounding person promotes the idea of "doing nothing" to attract business to the community. Doing nothing always attracts the same: nothing. This is such a basic idea in business that I can't imagine that those such as "local dude" are sincere in their assertions that there is nothing that community leaders can do to attract business to Royse City.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting business to locate in a person's community. If that is their wish, they should simply say so.
I think local dude meant that is nothing "MORE" that anyone could do than has already been done and will continue to be done.
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#38
Apr 14, 2009
 
OK, apparently I am not making myself clear and, apparently that is my fault and for that I apologize. I will also cease posting on this subject, but I will also try and, again, point something out.
Most, if not all, cities in Texas want some sort of new business to come to their community, whether it be a retailer, manufacturer, whatever. They want their citizens to be employed and they want the tax dollars to help pay for services the city provides. Maybe they don't want anything huge, but they do want something.
So, how do they get it?
Many cities have systems in place whereby they can attract those businesses. They are economic development corporations. Greenville, Terrell, Rockwall, Commerce, Sulphur Springs are just a few of the cities in our area which use this system. The corporations obtain funding, sometimes through a rededication of sales tax revenue, allocations from an electric utility (in Greenville's case), to offer incentives in the form of property tax abatements, paying for training, and occasionally running infrastructure such as water, sewer and electric lines to a site in order to make it more attractive to a business to locate at the particular site.
City councils and planning officials work to set up the appropriate zoning areas for certain types of businesses, in other words, making sure a cement kiln doesn't build next to a residential neighborhood, or that a grocery store doesn't have to build in the middle of an industrial park.
Now, obviously, there are going to be some cities which may have other methods in place, and some have fewer resources. But the fact of the matter is, Royse City is competing for businesses such as grocery stores, manufacturers, and anything else they can obtain to bring jobs, property and sales tax revenue and the like to their communities with Greenville, Terrell, Rockwall, Commerce, Sulphur Springs and who knows who else.
As I said before, the people in each of these cities really, really want these businesses to come to town. The leaders of each of these cities can offer the exact same types of economic incentives for these businesses to come to town and can find areas in their cities where the zoning is attractive for that particular business.
In short, Royse City's leaders should be active in seeking out the businesses their residents want, but they can offer no more and no less than what is being offered by any other comparable city, which means ... again ... it will be up to the business to decide if and when it can make enough money in a given location. You shouldn't blame the city leaders for not being able to bring a grocery store or a golf course to Royse City ON THEIR OWN, nor should you listen to any city official or candidate who makes promises that they can bring a particular business to town ON THEIR OWN.
I'm out. Good luck.

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#39
Apr 14, 2009
 
You both make very good arguments, but I have a question. Why is Rockwall booming and busting at the seams when they only a few short years ago they were in the same position as Royse City? Is it because their city leaders wanted ďitĒ more than RCís leaders? Were their leaders more persuasive? I also read their Topix cite and am amazed that a lot of the development is blamed on one particular city councilman. Which I donít believe for a minute, but thatís neither here nor there. Do we need a go-getter like him that wonít take no for an answer?
At the same time who and or what pursauded Sonic, Denny's, and Holiday Inn to come to RC? Maybe the same tatics that were used with them could be used for others?
Oh and there was mention a few months ago the Aldi's was interested in RC anyone know the status of this rumor?
Again I am only asking all of this because I truely do not know and maybe someone does.:-)
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Apr 14, 2009
 
Charles K, I think Local Dude has close ties to the current administration. I hear ya.
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