J E B

Desoto, TX

#1 Aug 30, 2010
Over the summer, my wife and I took our 4 year old son to open house for pre k at Anita Scott and he was introduced to his teacher, toured the school and over the next several weeks was built up about going to bib boy school. Then, the district X'd the prek program for the non poor. My son was punished for his daddy having a job! But yet, PAY THOSE TAXES!!!!!!! Maybe I will just sit at home on my butt and then more programs would be available to my kids. Funny, I work so my kids DO NOT have dental coverage but my neighbor refuses to get a J.O.B. so his kids all got bright shiney new braces on the house. Crazy how it works but anyways, RCisd, next time you change a policy maybe do it before open house because its a little hard on a 4 year old

Since: Feb 10

Dallas, TX

#2 Aug 30, 2010
Hey, JEB, I share your frustration. My son is 4 and has been looking forward to going to school as well. But it's not fair to blame Royse City. The state funds the program for kids with special needs, those who do not speak English as the primary language, kids whose parents are on active duty military service, etc. In the past, there have been spaces open in the program (not enough kids with those qualifications), so a tuition based program was opened to fill the spaces left unfilled in the classes.

Apparently, there are now quite a number of children who qualify for the program so there simply aren't the spaces left to fill.

Add to that the fact that the state has a cap on the amount of tuition that can be charged, and there would not be enough funds earned through the tuition to cover additional teachers salaries.

It seems to me that the school really had no choice. Again, I understand where you're coming from. I share your frustration, too! The charter school originally advertised that they would take K4 students, then they changed their minds. Guess we'll just have to wait till next year!
Tony Bologna

Rockwall, TX

#3 Aug 30, 2010
Always two sides to a story.
Proud DAR

United States

#4 Aug 30, 2010
just wait till your kids go to kindergarten, the first week you'll be filling out paperwork asking background info to see if your kids qualify for free/ reduced meals, work? yep! you pay. you a migrant worker? there's more money for you! you live here but aren't supposed to be here? guess what ! you get more freebies! those of us that work can't seem to catch a break. walmart freebies only go so far in my household. Sometimes I want to just do the less honorable thing and quit working so my kids can have more... but then I'd be doing a disservice to my country. welfare is depending on my tax money.
Texas Runner

Rockwall, TX

#5 Sep 29, 2010
wow DAR, hateful much?
RC parent

Caddo Mills, TX

#6 Sep 29, 2010
I have seen the free lunch apps and they say that if you are an illegal person in the US that you can get free lunches. I also know someone that tried to get their child in PreK and was told they were poor enough but it would not do any good because the classes were all in spanish. YES, SHAME ON YOU RCISD!!!
RC parent

Caddo Mills, TX

#7 Sep 29, 2010
And by the way I love RCISD. My child has done great since moving here. I don't mind paying higher taxes but it would be nice if things were more fair.
delbert

Terrell, TX

#8 Sep 29, 2010
RC parent wrote:
And by the way I love RCISD. My child has done great since moving here. I don't mind paying higher taxes but it would be nice if things were more fair.
Don't take this the wrong way but are you sure your child is doing better or is the school system that far behind? This happened to my child when we moved to a more country school. Not rcisd. My kid started fourth grade when we moved to the new school district. His grades jumped to all A's from mostly b's I was so proud until I looked at the work they were doing it was second and third grade level stuff that he had already learned earlier. Not saying this is happening here but it could be. My kids are grown and lucky I do not have to deal with schools anymore.
RC Oldie

Carrollton, TX

#9 Sep 30, 2010
Delbert,
Not sure how old your child is now, but all the schools have to teach the same level of work due to the TAKS test. The schools are rated on it and funded depending on how they do. They all take the same TAKS test for each grade across the state. If your school was teaching your 4th grader on 2nd and 3rd grade level then the school must do really bad overall on the TAKS. Something that should have been research pryor to moving maybe? Or maybe it was pryor to the TAKS?

I'm not saying it doesnt happen. Its just harder for the schools to get away with.
Texas Runner

Rockwall, TX

#10 Sep 30, 2010
RC Oldie wrote:
Delbert,
Not sure how old your child is now, but all the schools have to teach the same level of work due to the TAKS test. The schools are rated on it and funded depending on how they do. They all take the same TAKS test for each grade across the state. If your school was teaching your 4th grader on 2nd and 3rd grade level then the school must do really bad overall on the TAKS. Something that should have been research pryor to moving maybe? Or maybe it was pryor to the TAKS?
I'm not saying it doesnt happen. Its just harder for the schools to get away with.
As someone who had the experience of moving from a rural 2A school to a 5A school in San Antonio my freshman year of HS, I have to say that it seems highly likely that the rural schools are behind. Yes, the TEKS that teachers must cover in order for the students to pass the TAKS test are the same; however, that is only a minimum standard for what students in that grade level should know. I always made excellent scores on standardized tests, including my TAAS test (I was in HS before it changed to 'TAKS'), but found that I was way behind in the classes. It's hard to get good, young, fresh, teachers who are excited about teaching into rural schools because there is such a large pay discrepancy. It's not fair becuase all teachers are tasked with doing the same job. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like this will be changing anytime soon in Texas.
xyz

Grand Prairie, TX

#11 Sep 30, 2010
RC parent wrote:
I have seen the free lunch apps and they say that if you are an illegal person in the US that you can get free lunches. I also know someone that tried to get their child in PreK and was told they were poor enough but it would not do any good because the classes were all in spanish. YES, SHAME ON YOU RCISD!!!
Remember this folks! when/if your taxes go up, you little uninformed/uneducated people! THESE are the only ones who are putting their kids in the schools causing more cost for the rest of us.
Texas Runner

Rockwall, TX

#12 Sep 30, 2010
RC parent wrote:
I have seen the free lunch apps and they say that if you are an illegal person in the US that you can get free lunches. I also know someone that tried to get their child in PreK and was told they were poor enough but it would not do any good because the classes were all in spanish. YES, SHAME ON YOU RCISD!!!
"Illegal" persons are not the only ones who are able to get free lunches. By the way, it is ILLEGAL for the school district to ask students for the citizenship status, so I believe that you don't know what you are talking about. You might be upset that there are some adults getting a "free ride" (probably how you think of it, I beg to differ) in the US, but their kids have no choice about where they are made to move to. Besides that, they are KIDS. Whatever nationality, they are just as helpless as the other children they attend school with. Should they go hungry because their parents moved here illegally?
delbert

Terrell, TX

#13 Sep 30, 2010
RC Oldie wrote:
Delbert,
Not sure how old your child is now, but all the schools have to teach the same level of work due to the TAKS test. The schools are rated on it and funded depending on how they do. They all take the same TAKS test for each grade across the state. If your school was teaching your 4th grader on 2nd and 3rd grade level then the school must do really bad overall on the TAKS. Something that should have been research pryor to moving maybe? Or maybe it was pryor to the TAKS?
I'm not saying it doesnt happen. Its just harder for the schools to get away with.
It was a different state we did not have taks test. Even though the school was behind at least they were able to teach and not worry about how kids did on a test to get funding.
RC Oldie

Carrollton, TX

#14 Oct 1, 2010
I agree Delbert. For each year they have to pass the math TAKS, the teachers have to have the WHOLE years worth of math teaching done by January so they can start reviewing. Well, what if they didnt get it the first time because they teach it one day and move onto something else the next. The kids get frustrated and give up. If you work you cant always get your kids to tutorials.
Jerry

Duncanville, TX

#15 Oct 3, 2010
All I know is that each of you should spend one day in those teacher's shoes. Just one day. And spend the whole day with those 7 year olds yelling and screaming. Your attitude would be different.
Anonymous

Dallas, TX

#16 Oct 4, 2010
Bigotry comes in all shapes and sizes. You are stealthly blaming this on the "illegal", when even asking the question is not allowed by the district. The percentage of illegal students in this district is minimal, but the economically disadvantaged, most of who are legal, is a burden. The expenditures for these funds are state mandated and entirely out of local district control. Just be thankful that such a program exists for those who are less fortunate. If the parent is lazy and irresponsible it is even more crucial that we make every effort to provide a quality education for the children, who are victims of poor parenting. By denying them that education we simply magnify the problem and continue the cycle. There are many, many success stories which come from these programs. I thank the Lord everyday that I have the capacity to pay for the well-being of my own children and have the resources and compassion to care about those who do not. Please raise my taxes, without it our future, and our children, get dimmer.
Texas Runner

Rockwall, TX

#17 Oct 5, 2010
+1,000,0000 for this post, kitc1981.
TX-Investigator

United States

#18 Oct 5, 2010
kitc1981 wrote:
Bigotry comes in all shapes and sizes. You are stealthly blaming this on the "illegal", when even asking the question is not allowed by the district. The percentage of illegal students in this district is minimal, but the economically disadvantaged, most of who are legal, is a burden. The expenditures for these funds are state mandated and entirely out of local district control. Just be thankful that such a program exists for those who are less fortunate. If the parent is lazy and irresponsible it is even more crucial that we make every effort to provide a quality education for the children, who are victims of poor parenting. By denying them that education we simply magnify the problem and continue the cycle. There are many, many success stories which come from these programs. I thank the Lord everyday that I have the capacity to pay for the well-being of my own children and have the resources and compassion to care about those who do not. Please raise my taxes, without it our future, and our children, get dimmer.
I think JEB's issue was not that the "poor" get the pre=k opportunities, I believe JEB's complaint, which I think is valid, was that his/her child was discriminated against because JEB earns too much money for his/her child to be able to participate in a program funded by taxpayer money. I'm sure JEB owns property in the school district, and pays a large portion to the RCISD.

The "no child left behind" program legally excludes anyone above the poverty line from having their child participate in pre-k programs. It rewards, like most entitlement programs" laziness, and non-preformance, non-productivity on the part of the "poor" parent. If that's not discriminatory, what is?
Jiminey Cricket

Rockwall, TX

#19 Oct 7, 2010
TX-Investigator wrote:
<quoted text>
I think JEB's issue was not that the "poor" get the pre=k opportunities, I believe JEB's complaint, which I think is valid, was that his/her child was discriminated against because JEB earns too much money for his/her child to be able to participate in a program funded by taxpayer money. I'm sure JEB owns property in the school district, and pays a large portion to the RCISD.
The "no child left behind" program legally excludes anyone above the poverty line from having their child participate in pre-k programs. It rewards, like most entitlement programs" laziness, and non-preformance, non-productivity on the part of the "poor" parent. If that's not discriminatory, what is?
I really understand where you are coming from, but I seriously doubt that you will find this wording in the program.
"It rewards, like most entitlement programs" laziness, and non-preformance, non-productivity on the part of the "poor" parent. If that's not discriminatory, what is?" I believe this is your opinion and you are well within your rights to speak your mind, but don't you think we should be working together for something better instead of just slamming these projects? Just sayin'....

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