Outsider

Los Angeles, CA

#1931 Feb 25, 2013
My post wasn't personal, as unforunately, you took it to be. Are you a Dad? I would bank that not one trainer from Whittier SC/America United/OC Rev/etc, or Juventus would be considered a top 50 trainer in SoCal. Experience isn't enough. If there was a trainer that good in LM, he/she would be training at SC Blues, West Coast, Slammers,or somewhere else collecting $1200 month per team. Top trainers would drive to LM to train for $$ and $$ alone. Dozens of LM residents have their kids playing elsewhere paying this kind of money so they can get something better.
$club

Huntington Beach, CA

#1932 Feb 25, 2013
Outsider wrote:
My post wasn't personal, as unforunately, you took it to be. Are you a Dad? I would bank that not one trainer from Whittier SC/America United/OC Rev/etc, or Juventus would be considered a top 50 trainer in SoCal. Experience isn't enough. If there was a trainer that good in LM, he/she would be training at SC Blues, West Coast, Slammers,or somewhere else collecting $1200 month per team. Top trainers would drive to LM to train for $$ and $$ alone. Dozens of LM residents have their kids playing elsewhere paying this kind of money so they can get something better.
And for as bad as you assume the training is, go look at the entire program when we play other leagues. We pretty much dominate them in the win column. Signature, All Stars, commissioners cup. Do your homework. I don't think anyone said we have the top trainers. Strikers Whittier don't, Cypress FC, Xplosion, Fullerton Rangers... Non of them do (maybe Fulerton has 1). But people pay to play there.

For the 40-50 kids thy have left in the last few years, 1000 other kids are enjoying soccer in La Mirada. Not everyone has it on their career path
LM Parent

Whittier, CA

#1933 Feb 25, 2013
I didn't think you were talking about Davis either. paranoia comes with age. Most understand LM playing CSL is and will never be a top club. Residency rules will keep it in check no matter how much people will pay. You won't get a team full of players willing to pay $200+ a month for training. LMSA will be like the mini clubs all over that are popping up now that Coast Soccer is needing the teams. Another city based club with low costs to the players. No big dollar trainers sucking the money from parents. Like a Brea program with a Juventus price to find it's nitch. Some have visions of grander but that also brings in grande problems. Keep it simple and don't drive yourself out of the market before you even start.
LM Parent

Whittier, CA

#1934 Feb 25, 2013
Outsider wrote:
Save the $$ on the lights because it will not happen. Use it for educating trainers, not parents if you want to be successful. Parents are not trainers in anything but signature and Bronze/Silver/Tier 2,3. You will lose all higher talent to clubs with top trainers. There are few to no trainers qualified to compete in top tier 1/Gold/Premier level, so you will never keep LM top players at those levels. You must import top trainers and pay them the fees they make at other clubs.(1000-2000 per month per team) It's the way it is.
Agree on the lights. Trainer's would have to be paid for by the parents and most aren't willing to pay or they would be taking their kid to a trainer now. Lots of personal trainers $10-$20 hr for small groups out there. It is the parents responsibility for their own child. I know we are in Obama country so maybe we can add a tax on the big houses to pay for trainers. Sorry that won't work here, you have to pay for yourself. Take care of yourself with your money.
In the know

Canyon Country, CA

#1935 Feb 25, 2013
LMSA has proven it can play at the Club level.
But the question is does it want its teams to just break even every season or eventually excel now and then.?

The volunteers who are with LMSA demonstrated that they can beat other Rec teams. And even hold their own against Some Club teams.

But is that the goal of the LMSA Board of Directors ? To just hold their own.
Do they just want to be a fring program like Juventus or Pumas.?(I don't mention Xplosion because they are new and are growing by leaps and bounds. Their younger teams are moving up fast in the CSL food chain and did well in the State Cup, so time will tell here).

The current LMSA coaches are ok, if you don't aim high. But to take the LMSA (Club) program over the hump to a higher level consistently you must know that spending some money on quality people will be necessary.

It will require work to find someone who is willing to take a program from scratch and mold it into a finely run machine. But it can be done.

And we have the talent. If you look around hard enough you can see that there are LM kids all over the south land playing on club teams.

Shoot, there are whole LM teams playing for Clubs because someone on the LMSA program didn't want to share the limelight.

I know baby steps are necessary, but long range goals should also be part of the equation as well.
$club

Los Angeles, CA

#1936 Feb 25, 2013
In the know wrote:
LMSA has proven it can play at the Club level.
But the question is does it want its teams to just break even every season or eventually excel now and then.?

The volunteers who are with LMSA demonstrated that they can beat other Rec teams. And even hold their own against Some Club teams.

But is that the goal of the LMSA Board of Directors ? To just hold their own.
Do they just want to be a fring program like Juventus or Pumas.?(I don't mention Xplosion because they are new and are growing by leaps and bounds. Their younger teams are moving up fast in the CSL food chain and did well in the State Cup, so time will tell here).

The current LMSA coaches are ok, if you don't aim high. But to take the LMSA (Club) program over the hump to a higher level consistently you must know that spending some money on quality people will be necessary.

It will require work to find someone who is willing to take a program from scratch and mold it into a finely run machine. But it can be done.

And we have the talent. If you look around hard enough you can see that there are LM kids all over the south land playing on club teams.

Shoot, there are whole LM teams playing for Clubs because someone on the LMSA program didn't want to share the limelight.

I know baby steps are necessary, but long range goals should also be part of the equation as well.
Which entire team left? Please enlighten us.
In the know

Canyon Country, CA

#1937 Feb 25, 2013
If you don't know, you haven't been paying attention these last 4 years
Champion

Pacoima, CA

#1938 Feb 25, 2013
In the know wrote:
LMSA has proven it can play at the Club level.
But the question is does it want its teams to just break even every season or eventually excel now and then.?
The volunteers who are with LMSA demonstrated that they can beat other Rec teams. And even hold their own against Some Club teams.
But is that the goal of the LMSA Board of Directors ? To just hold their own.
Do they just want to be a fring program like Juventus or Pumas.?(I don't mention Xplosion because they are new and are growing by leaps and bounds. Their younger teams are moving up fast in the CSL food chain and did well in the State Cup, so time will tell here).
The current LMSA coaches are ok, if you don't aim high. But to take the LMSA (Club) program over the hump to a higher level consistently you must know that spending some money on quality people will be necessary.
It will require work to find someone who is willing to take a program from scratch and mold it into a finely run machine. But it can be done.
And we have the talent. If you look around hard enough you can see that there are LM kids all over the south land playing on club teams.
Shoot, there are whole LM teams playing for Clubs because someone on the LMSA program didn't want to share the limelight.
I know baby steps are necessary, but long range goals should also be part of the equation as well.
Worth repeating " (I don't mention Xplosion because they are new and are growing by leaps and bounds. Their younger teams are moving up fast in the CSL food chain and did well in the State Cup, so time will tell here).
there are whole LM teams playing for Clubs because someone on the LMSA program didn't want to share the limelight.
I know baby steps are necessary, but long range goals should also be part of the equation as well. "
Also, in every Club whether "SC or FC" there are qualified Coaches and it is always wise to start with the highest level; for instance, XplosionSC does have a previous Professional amongst their Coach's and They do meet regularly for coffee to talk about the Game of Soccer.
Timmi J

Whittier, CA

#1939 Feb 26, 2013
Anywhere soccer is thriving that is good. It is good for the sport kids and parents.

A coaching program is critical to the long term survival of our sport, because without that our results will be hit and miss at best.

Logistics is another key component, we must have the lit faclilities to handle the swelling numbers of children playing soccer.

To say that one must pay for trainers so that you can compete is hogwash.

I choose to ask for those with the soccer talent share their knowledge and build our program, as many do every day.

I am always deeply humbled by those who regularly volunteer their soccer skills and talents so a child in their adulthood will recount the glory of his first goal, as opposed to his 10,000th hour on his no friendo.

The other part of the equation is that the citizens of La Mirada will not have to pay those exorbadent fees for silver or bronze level play, with the hope of being a premier team.

Talent will be lost but my brother 98 percent of the soccer is played in the silver elite and lesser division. So, we will serve 98 percent of our community without having to have someone's hand in our wallet.

Do or do not Do there is no try.

DEMAND A HOME FOR SOCCER NOW
In the know

Canyon Country, CA

#1940 Feb 26, 2013
And when your youngest ages out then what ?

I understand your zeal, but if you really care about all the LM kids you need to put something in place to keep the high quality training and caring so it doesn't die when you leave.

You can do two things at once.
Work for a permanent home and a quality training program. In fact they both should go hand in hand.

Your vision of LM soccer is sound, just expand it a little to encompass a complete program. One that lives in after each group of voluntters kids age out.
Coach

Anaheim, CA

#1941 Feb 26, 2013
Anybody else find it weird board meeting mins have not been posted since August?
Davis

Whittier, CA

#1942 Feb 26, 2013
Actually we have had 4 or 5 teams in most part leave -Gu12 Jenn Gu11 Frank I think Bu10 Edwin and Albert. All have done well in their new environments

[QUOTE who="$club"]<quot ed text>
Which entire team left? Please enlighten us.[/QUOTE]
Davis

Whittier, CA

#1943 Feb 26, 2013
How can you saw it wasn't meant to be personal when you made the comment "guys presently in the program" of course you meant it to be personal maybe not me but someone. Yes of course I'm a very proud dad and grand-dad and no not paranoia old age.
So what makes a top 50 trainer this should be that be the goal of all coaches that want to be better?
Is it the program that makes the trainer, is it the amount of money they get paid this could be a great topic what is a great trainer? Isn't a great trainer just simply getting the best out of the player, maybe they are working with a 3 legged horse and have gotten that horse to be the best they can be, but they don't charge or aren't part of a great program would they still not be a great trainer?

WHAT ABOUT THE MARREROS THEY ARE THE GREATEST TRAINERS I KNOW CAN ANYONE COMPARE THEMSELVES TO THEM I CERTAINLY CAN'T .

So that being said isn't great training in the eyes of the beholder?

BTW we are working on the foundation for the competitive side of Lmsa tonight anyone what to chime in here what should we do in setting the foundation.

LETS CHANGE DIRECTION OF THIS BLOG AND START IT OFF GOING HERE SOMETHING WITH VALUE
In the know

Canyon Country, CA

#1944 Feb 26, 2013
Davis wrote:
Actually we have had 4 or 5 teams in most part leave -Gu12 Jenn Gu11 Frank I think Bu10 Edwin and Albert. All have done well in their new environments
<quoted text>
They need to change your title now.
Maybe:
Director of Competitive Programs

Has a nice ring to it, don't you think ?
Copa Del Rey

Downey, CA

#1945 Feb 26, 2013
Champion wrote:
<quoted text>
Worth repeating " (I don't mention Xplosion because they are new and are growing by leaps and bounds. Their younger teams are moving up fast in the CSL food chain and did well in the State Cup, so time will tell here).
there are whole LM teams playing for Clubs because someone on the LMSA program didn't want to share the limelight.
I know baby steps are necessary, but long range goals should also be part of the equation as well. "
Also, in every Club whether "SC or FC" there are qualified Coaches and it is always wise to start with the highest level; for instance, XplosionSC does have a previous Professional amongst their Coach's and They do meet regularly for coffee to talk about the Game of Soccer.
I talk football with my pals regularly, but it doesn't make me Vince Lombardi. get a grip. you left with LMSA all-stars that you thought you could take to the next level. truth is, they peaked at 11-12 years old because you were unable to quell your ego and let someone else teach them the game. your's is the worst form of daddy ball. stop tooting the xplosion's horn. arrange for a friendly with strikers bu13 and let's see what you bring to the table.
Davis

Whittier, CA

#1946 Feb 26, 2013
Thats better then what some people call me.
In the know wrote:
<quoted text>
They need to change your title now.
Maybe:
Director of Competitive Programs
Has a nice ring to it, don't you think ?
Timmi J

Whittier, CA

#1947 Feb 26, 2013
Davis wrote:
Actually we have had 4 or 5 teams in most part leave -Gu12 Jenn Gu11 Frank I think Bu10 Edwin and Albert. All have done well in their new environments
<quoted text>
Hey Bobbi Quit marking judging your text it wasnt that interesting :)
Timmi J

Whittier, CA

#1948 Feb 26, 2013
In the know wrote:
And when your youngest ages out then what ?
I understand your zeal, but if you really care about all the LM kids you need to put something in place to keep the high quality training and caring so it doesn't die when you leave.
You can do two things at once.
Work for a permanent home and a quality training program. In fact they both should go hand in hand.
Your vision of LM soccer is sound, just expand it a little to encompass a complete program. One that lives in after each group of voluntters kids age out.
You are absolutely correct, and that is a fair question. I will be here no matter helping the soccer of La Mirada. I am currently focusing my efforts on the U6 and U8 coaches for fall. Because when I did a survey of the coaches in La Mirada a large percentage did not teach how to strike the ball. I went further and talked to some high school coaches and they said many they get through the high school program do not know how to strike the ball well. Simple fundamentals is what will strengthen our program. Developing coaching systems that have the kids touching a soccer ball 1000 times a practice not standing in lines. Bottom Line is I am trying to build the coaching staff from U6 and U8 levels. It is very difficult to teach those who have been coaching for years. Each and everyone of us can learn something new every day. Half of my job as I see it is dispeling the trainer myths that you can't have good soccer unless you pay 1500 dollars a year. You should see the work that is being done by Ferdin and others it is impressive and hopefully one day we can sit down and have a beer and talk about how to keep soccer growing in La Mirada. Always know that unitl the day I leave this earth I will hollering for lights at BENTON.

Do or Do not do there is no try
DEMAND A HOME FOR SOCCER NOW
LM Parent

Whittier, CA

#1949 Feb 26, 2013
Davis wrote:
Actually we have had 4 or 5 teams in most part leave -Gu12 Jenn Gu11 Frank I think Bu10 Edwin and Albert. All have done well in their new environments
<quoted text>
4 completely unique situations. Albert's and Edwin's club teams have only a few La Mirada residents they can be counted on one hand. Lopez left because you wouldn't allow him to pressure you into approving his personal team. All four teams would not be able to play with the residency rules as the teams stand. the best players will leave and do leave not because Club is not offered but to find the best trainer and situation for thier child. They will continue to do so. That is why you have LM residents playing at numerous clubs. Is LMSA going to rotate trainers?
LM Parent

Whittier, CA

#1950 Feb 26, 2013
You have players at clubs that leave because they aren't getting anything from the coach. It gets stale. 2 years with Timmi, Frank, Albert, Bob or even club trainers is more than enough. Nothing more to learn from any of them.

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