Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,792

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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d pantz

San Antonio, TX

#228558 Jan 27, 2014
Too bad most real discrimination is widely ignored..... http://m.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/0...
These should fall into the same group as gays but sadly they don't want to fight for anybody else who's been carrying the same burden they have.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228559 Jan 27, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Maybe YOU don't think they are valid reasons, but a Canadian Court did.
http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/15/...
Polygamy Linked to Harms
[228] As Dr. Witte summarized, for over 2500 years the Western legal tradition has defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman who have the fitness, capacity and freedom to marry each other. While it has never been seriously claimed that monogamous marriage is a uniformly positive experience for everyone, in general and in most cases, monogamous marriage is said to bring essential private goods to the couple and their children, and important public goods to society and the state.
[229] As Dr. Witte further summarized, for more than 1750 years the Western legal tradition has also declared polygamy to be an offence. The denunciation of the practice has been based on natural, philosophical, political, sociological, psychological and scientific arguments. Polygamy, it has consistently been argued, is associated with harm: harm against women, against children, against men and against society. Dr. Witte reviewed some of these harms, as follows.
[230] The harms against women include: exploitation; commodification; social isolation; the inevitable favouritism of some women and deprecation of others within the household; discrimination; and, impoverishment.
[231] The harms against children include: the negative impacts on their development caused by discord, violence and exploitation in the marital home; competition between mothers and siblings for the limited attention of the father; diminishment of the democratic citizenship capabilities of children as a result of being raised by mothers deprived of their basic rights; impoverishment; and, violation of their fundamental dignity.
[232] The harms against men include: the unequal distribution of spouses and related ostracism of younger men forced to compete for a scarcer supply of women; the creation of a false appetite for patriarchy; inflammation of male lust; and deprivation of the essential bond of mutuality that is unique to the marital institution.
[233] Finally, the harms to society that flow from polygamy include: threats to the social order and a greater need for social supports as women lacking education and opportunity to enhance themselves, as well as their children, find themselves impoverished upon divorce or the death of their husbands; harms to good citizenship; threats to political stability; and the undermining of human dignity and equality.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228560 Jan 27, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like a pile of horseshit to me.
What does a pile of horsesh!t sound like?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228561 Jan 27, 2014
Randy Hudson Wooster Ohio wrote:
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Yes, but old "Man Breath" doesn't address non sequiturs and double standards. He only cackles on about how he believes that he is the only one in here with some sort of education. It's his signature drivel. Then, when pressed, he claims that the same logic used against the SSM crowd (moral outrage) was invalid (when used against them), but stands as perfectly plausible when being used against Polygamists, who have more standing in society than SSM ever had... Historically or naturally... Herds are an outrage, but a sterile union can fly.... Then, Old Big Dope jumps in and crows about how he thinks he can have a priest arrested for being on school grounds, but a homo (with no official educational, or scholastic, agenda {except for maybe making kids aware that they may not be normal, but it is ok...}) may have free rein with the kids, who never had any business being made aware (as early as the age of 6, and even sometimes against the wishes of the parents) that they have to decide if they are gay, or not. Sounds pretty fuqked up to me, but this crowd thinks that "we have just made everything right as rain"... And many wonder why we have high crime rates, national morale is at an all time low, and the call for gun control is at a fever pitch.
Great post and 100% spot on.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228562 Jan 27, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> how about this: in a country where there is supposed to be no law respecting establishment of religion , no marriage should reward tax benifits and any private company or business providing public service who does is guilty of discrimination....
I hear ya. Married people get the gold mine and we single people get the shaft.
Cali Girl 14

Idyllwild, CA

#228564 Jan 27, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text>how trife to point out simple typos. You lack substance.
What about the substance of that
post I was making fun of....STHU
Who asked you,you lack pants.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#228565 Jan 28, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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Here's your fantastically unbrilliant post in its entirety. Telling me I 'censored it' is a weak attempt to suggest that somehow I took your words out of context. In reality, as anyone can see, I meerly edited out the parts not worth responding to.
It is as crisp and non-spamming as possible. So, wisebut, once again ....
<quoted text>
Uh, NO - that IS the reason. You are hopelessly dense?
And for the record, to expect others to repost the entirety of your posts when there is only a single part of it they wish to respond to is assinine - repost your own propaganda.
They are denied because of all the reasons ss couples do not equate to marriage.

You dye your hair don't you?
Randy Hudson Wooster Ohio

Wooster, OH

#228567 Jan 28, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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Uh, NO - that IS the reason. You are hopelessly dense?
You are looking to be a little denser. Is the sole reason that they want to be married the fact that they are gay?
Randy Hudson Wooster Ohio

Wooster, OH

#228568 Jan 28, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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I did not say that. I agreed that moral disapproval is not a valid reason.
But it's not the only reason. Polygamy isn't going to become legal because the "moral disapproval" argument is no longer valid in light of SCOTUS rulings. There would have to be a trial, testimony would be heard, from both sides. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the anti-polygamy legal case BEFORE it gets to court, or it will pretty much be the same as this case: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/15/...
Oddly enough, I'd like to thank you, for simply not throwing an insult in there, it's a little out-of-character, for you, but appreciated.
Randy Hudson Wooster Ohio

Wooster, OH

#228569 Jan 28, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like a pile of horseshit to me. Sexuality emerges during puberty. That's not exactly a state secret. Why would anyone demand a 6 yr old self identify?
Puberty, yes. And when I was in school, back in the 1800's, it was in Jr High School that we first addresses the issue of sexuality. Why would a first grader have to be confronted with the idea? What business does an elementary schooler even have hearing about it?
Randy Hudson Wooster Ohio

Wooster, OH

#228570 Jan 28, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Great post and 100% spot on.
TY.
:-D
Dorn

La Puente, CA

#228573 Jan 28, 2014
First graders should be taught that some boys and girls are different and that it is OK. It is not OK to bully a school mate just because they are different.
Number now

Covina, CA

#228574 Jan 28, 2014
What's the number now?

#228573
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228575 Jan 28, 2014
Dorn wrote:
First graders should be taught that some boys and girls are different and that it is OK. It is not OK to bully a school mate just because they are different.
Sure it is! Makes ya tough!
Not not

Sierra Madre, CA

#228576 Jan 28, 2014
What's the number now?

#228575
Nougat

Sierra Madre, CA

#228577 Jan 28, 2014
What is new good nougat.

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#228578 Jan 28, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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They are denied because of all the reasons ss couples do not equate to marriage.
You dye your hair don't you?
.I understand that there could possibly be some different reason on rare occassion that would prevent the marriage even if they were a straight couple.
When you popint out 'they' are denied... you are speaking of the entire group. When I say 'they' are denied solely for being gay I am referring to an individual couple.
.
Plenty of individual couples are denied the ability to legally marry for the the sole reason they are gay
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It really is that simple.
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And nope, no hair dye.
Nougat

Sierra Madre, CA

#228579 Jan 28, 2014
What is a new nougat?
#22858
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228581 Jan 28, 2014
Keep yer hands off my PBR!
Lonewolf

Houston, TX

#228582 Jan 28, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Keep yer hands off my PBR!
??? Why?

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