Judge overturns California's ban on s...

Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201887 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188838 Apr 16, 2013
So why is polygamy illegal? Why don’t Mormons have the right to enter into multiple marriages sanctified by their church, if not the state? There’s a short answer to this question but not a very good one: polygamy is illegal and unprotected by the Constitution because the Supreme Court doesn’t like it.

Over one hundred years ago, the Court held in Reynolds v. U.S. that polygamy was “an offence against society.” The Reynolds decision upheld the criminal conviction of a man accused of taking a second wife in the belief that he had a religious duty to practice polygamy, a duty he would violate at risk of damnation. The Court compared polygamy to murders sanctified by religious belief, such as human sacrifice or the burning of women on their husbands’ funeral pyres.

Nice!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#188839 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
So why is polygamy illegal? Why don’t Mormons have the right to enter into multiple marriages sanctified by their church, if not the state? There’s a short answer to this question but not a very good one: polygamy is illegal and unprotected by the Constitution because the Supreme Court doesn’t like it.
Over one hundred years ago, the Court held in Reynolds v. U.S. that polygamy was “an offence against society.” The Reynolds decision upheld the criminal conviction of a man accused of taking a second wife in the belief that he had a religious duty to practice polygamy, a duty he would violate at risk of damnation. The Court compared polygamy to murders sanctified by religious belief, such as human sacrifice or the burning of women on their husbands’ funeral pyres.
Nice!
it is a silly religious cult tradition, and we are abetter society than making our laws based on stone-age cults and myths.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#188840 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when several states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability.
Put bluntly, if heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
Logic is brutal!
heterosexual marraige is in now way essential to social stability, as proven by the countries that have had it for a while and now have a higher standard of living, healthier, happier citizens and better educated kids.

facts are fun!!

your argument was proven wrong before you were told to parrot it...so sad.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188841 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha. so funny.
I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when several states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability.
Put bluntly, if heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
Yes we all know the slippery slope arguments against same sex marriage, we have heard them for years.

but some of us are less afraid of that slippery slope than you are. Because the word "marriage" does not belong to a belief system. We will take the issues, one at a time.

This ones time has come, same sex marriage.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188842 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it is a silly religious cult tradition, and we are abetter society than making our laws based on stone-age cults and myths.
You find others beliefs and traditions "silly" and therefore unsupportable, yet you expect others to respect and support yours?

What harm would a loving marriage of three adult consenting men cause you?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188843 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>heterosexual marraige is in now way essential to social stability, as proven by the countries that have had it for a while and now have a higher standard of living, healthier, happier citizens and better educated kids.
facts are fun!!
your argument was proven wrong before you were told to parrot it...so sad.
What? Is in now way? wha?

What is my argument? And when did you prove it wrong? Who told me to parrot an argument I never made?

Are you stupid or just upset? You make no sense.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188844 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we all know the slippery slope arguments against same sex marriage, we have heard them for years.
but some of us are less afraid of that slippery slope than you are. Because the word "marriage" does not belong to a belief system. We will take the issues, one at a time.
This ones time has come, same sex marriage.
But I am not making the slippery slope argument, you are.

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188846 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we all know the slippery slope arguments against same sex marriage, we have heard them for years.
but some of us are less afraid of that slippery slope than you are. Because the word "marriage" does not belong to a belief system. We will take the issues, one at a time.
This ones time has come, same sex marriage.
I cannot debate with you because you are so dishonest. You know damn well I support marriage equality. For opposite sex, same sex, poly and yes, even incest marriage. And you do not.

Stop being dishonest, it's stupid and no way to win an argument. Anyone of intelligence can see right through your attempts at a straw man argument and lack of an argument against true marriage equality.

I am not going to waste my time with your straw man argument that I am lying about supporting marriage equality. So stop trying.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#188847 Apr 16, 2013
frank, great, then go start a law suit or something to get the ball rolling.

we'll watch and see how far you get. believe me, we won't be impeding your progress - we'll just be watching from the sidelines to see first hand your success or failure in attempting to get poly marriage legal.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188848 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot debate with you because you are so dishonest. You know damn well I support marriage equality. For opposite sex, same sex, poly and yes, even incest marriage. And you do not.
Stop being dishonest, it's stupid and no way to win an argument. Anyone of intelligence can see right through your attempts at a straw man argument and lack of an argument against true marriage equality.
I am not going to waste my time with your straw man argument that I am lying about supporting marriage equality. So stop trying.
I cannot debate with you because you are so dishonest, you set up straw man arguments like Poly to scare people and fail miserably because you are not actually for Poly or your sister or what have you. You won’t raise a finger for any of the concepts you fail at championing on this forum.

You are just setting up straw man arguments, it is all you know, you cannot even be honest about your opposition to same sex marriage

If you had a gram of honesty we could have a debate about it, but we cannot because you will only continue to lie and set up your straw man arguments.

You are the one opposed to marriage, not I

Same sex marriage does not frighten me, and its time is now

Poly marriage does not frighten me, and its time may come in a decade or so, perhaps sooner but not likely

Marriage to your sister does not frighten me, first off she doesn’t want you, and secondly there is no public support for it, it won’t even come up.

Marrage to anamals doesn’t frighten me… not going to happen

Marrage to space aliens does not frighten me for the same reasons

You can try to scare people all day long, but all you succeed at is getting people to laugh at you.
joee

Walnut, CA

#188849 Apr 16, 2013
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FullTilt

San Dimas, CA

#188850 Apr 16, 2013
Raymond Bitar, a known scammer there all alike, if this piece of dung lied and stole money from investors in his Glendora, California based Ponzi scheme.

Why let him off the hook because he has heart condition, he should have thought about that before he became a crook.

Take Douglas Tessitor for instance he too has a questionable scamming past.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#188851 Apr 16, 2013
I KNOW WHO THE BOSTON BOMBERS ARE... Ill bet they are connected to the army of god... ou know a christian hate group...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/eric ...

the bigots brother who oh so sadly can't get the money from the book about his brother is pissed ....
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188852 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot debate with you because you are so dishonest, you set up straw man arguments like Poly to scare people and fail miserably because you are not actually for Poly or your sister or what have you. You won’t raise a finger for any of the concepts you fail at championing on this forum.
You are just setting up straw man arguments, it is all you know, you cannot even be honest about your opposition to same sex marriage
If you had a gram of honesty we could have a debate about it, but we cannot because you will only continue to lie and set up your straw man arguments.
You are the one opposed to marriage, not I
Same sex marriage does not frighten me, and its time is now
Poly marriage does not frighten me, and its time may come in a decade or so, perhaps sooner but not likely
Marriage to your sister does not frighten me, first off she doesn’t want you, and secondly there is no public support for it, it won’t even come up.
Marrage to anamals doesn’t frighten me… not going to happen
Marrage to space aliens does not frighten me for the same reasons
You can try to scare people all day long, but all you succeed at is getting people to laugh at you.
Like I said, I cannot argue with a moron who insists I don't support my own argument. It's impossible.

But maybe you'll answer one question for me. Why would I lie? What possible motivation would I have to come here and attempt to argue a position I don't support?

You argument that I am lying is a straw man to avoid revealing your hypocrisy.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188853 Apr 16, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
frank, great, then go start a law suit or something to get the ball rolling.
we'll watch and see how far you get. believe me, we won't be impeding your progress - we'll just be watching from the sidelines to see first hand your success or failure in attempting to get poly marriage legal.
I don't want to sue anyone, I simply want to discuss marriage equality.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188854 Apr 16, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
I KNOW WHO THE BOSTON BOMBERS ARE... Ill bet they are connected to the army of god... ou know a christian hate group...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/eric ...
the bigots brother who oh so sadly can't get the money from the book about his brother is pissed ....
This is exactly what we don't need after this act of terrible act of murder and mayhem. Idiots assigning blame with absolutely no evidence, only some personal hate they want an excuse to spew.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#188855 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is exactly what we don't need after this act of terrible act of murder and mayhem. Idiots assigning blame with absolutely no evidence, only some personal hate they want an excuse to spew.
agreed...

the Le Jimbo/ Au contrair/ My Portal character on these pages is already dancing on the dead bodies in this tragedy tryin to spin it politically against Obama...

some people are beyond reproach...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#188856 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to sue anyone, I simply want to discuss marriage equality.
so how would you suggest we work the new laws for say, social security benefits to start, for a polygamous marriage so it is equal to a two person marriage?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188857 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so how would you suggest we work the new laws for say, social security benefits to start, for a polygamous marriage so it is equal to a two person marriage?
I dunno. Shouldn't be that hard. I don't want to discuss the technicalities of implementing it, only the concept as it applies to marriage equality.

I think poly should be allowed. I also think incest marriage should be allowed. I get a lot of weird and fervent resistance which I attribute to hypocrisy. I try to reveal that hypocrisy. I get shouted down. It's passes the time when I'm bored.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#188858 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>agreed...
the Le Jimbo/ Au contrair/ My Portal character on these pages is already dancing on the dead bodies in this tragedy tryin to spin it politically against Obama...
some people are beyond reproach...
I've seen it blamed on a "crazed homosexual" on one of these wholesome and friendly topix threads.

Maybe Obama really did do it. Or Bush!

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