Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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It certainly wasn't legal in the ancient Hebrew culture. And it certainly wasn't legal from colonial days through 1967 in this territory.
But it was in other parts of the U.S.

'A superior colored man ... and a Scotch woman': interracial marriages in New York City, 1850-1870.
When interviewed by a pension official in 1893, Ellen Davis stated that she was fifty-nine years old, employed as a washerwoman, and that she was born in Scotland. The widow spoke affectionately of her husband John Davis, a veteran of Company G of the 26th United States Colored Infantry who had passed away in 1887 at the age of seventy. The two had married at their home in Brooklyn in 1879 and settled down to raise Ellen's three children from her previous marriage. She recalled, "I had three children by my first husband [.H]is name was James Ronald [and] he was a Scotsman. I married him in Chanden, Scotland in 1859. We went to Australia within two weeks after we were married.... and lived on a sheep farm.... I lived there two years when his health began to fail and we moved back to Scotland." Her husband died soon thereafter and Ellen Davis moved to New York City in 1874 to stay with her cousin. Three years later, she met John Davis who worked as a sawyer in a mill. The Davis couple was well-liked in their neighborhood. According to a local official, "He was a superior colored man, a sawyer by trade, and was considered an honest and truthful man....[she] is a Scotch woman [who] speaks with a strong Scotch accent [and] appears to [be] honest and truthful." (1)
The marriage of John and Ellen Davis was one between a white woman and an African-American man, a Scottish immigrant and a native New Yorker, and two working class laborers. While one might assume that such relationships were rare in the nineteenth century, a close examination of United States Manuscript Census Records in New York City for 1850, 1860, and 1870 indicates that such interracial, cross-cultural marriages constituted five to seven percent of married couples living in predominantly black neighborhoods. The number of interracial marriages varied over the twenty year period under investigation but skyrocketed following the Civil War. Census records indicate that there were 29 interracial marriages in 1850, 19 in 1860, and 116 in 1870. The vast majority of such relationships occurred between black men and white women often between an African-American male born in the United States and a woman who had immigrated from Europe, most of whom were Irish, Scottish, or English.(2) While mixed-race couples in different regions and in different eras faced tremendous resistance, such couples were not uncommon in mid-nineteenth-century New York City. Interracial couples often married in black churches in New York, worked in the city, sent their children to local African schools, and successfully interacted with government institutions, including pension officials, local court representatives, and census takers.
This article examines why such interracial relationships were not unusual to New York City from 1850 to 1870.
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I don't care what people do behind closed doors. I can not understand how a Judge can over rule what we voted for. I know I can't see how a moron would change a voted law and passed can in his or her mind override law. So they can't be law abiding folks when they go willy nilly and do what a minority wants.

My mind can't understand how they can't abide in what we as a people voted on. It hurts to know we have people taking things that are right and just doing what ever suites them.

I have family members more them one living a homosexual, do I love them without a dough I love them the same as the rest. They know I can't approved in the life style. And they also in the same way they love me as well. There is not one thing I would anything for any my family THEIR IS NO DEFERENCE IN MY EYES. But they also know the word of GOD never ever changes. I was a enemy of GOD as well.
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I don't care what people do behind closed doors. I can not understand how a Judge can over rule what we voted for. I know I can't see how a moron would change a voted law and passed can in his or her mind override law. So they can't be law abiding folks when they go willy nilly and do what a minority wants.
My mind can't understand how they can't abide in what we as a people voted on. It hurts to know we have people taking things that are right and just doing what ever suites them.
I have family members more them one living a homosexual, do I love them without a dough I love them the same as the rest. They know I can't approved in the life style. And they also in the same way they love me as well. There is not one thing I would anything for any my family THEIR IS NO DEFERENCE IN MY EYES. But they also know the word of GOD never ever changes. I was a enemy of GOD as well.
Well there olde dude... to begin with the constitution was written to protect minorities from the tieriny of a majority and you just don't vote away a persons civil rights... Number two no one gives a fluck about your god or his 2000 year old comic book and we don't pass laws based on a mythical superstition... I'm sorry your an old bigot... but that is your choice and we don't give you SPECIAL RIGHTS to impose your hate on others... Thanks for playing... you will find a concellation prize at the door on the right as you leave
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<quoted text>Oh buddy, you are way wrong.
That picture he sent wasn't really his tits Jizzy, you big dope.
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<quoted text>Not hardly, very much perky. Nice pink nipples.
Thanks Jizzy!
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<quoted text>do you really want me to start cutting and pasting all the hetero guys who molest little girls.... Do you wanna play
Well of course a gay guy isn't going to molest a little girl! So hateful against the heteros aren't you, your name to me is no longer lilith or sparkle or pole dancer. From now on you are to go by the name Jeffrey Domer!

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Why do those married couples that don't have children get the same benefits?
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Why not? Why is this an issue now?

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Should they be taken away?
On what grounds? Are they still husband and wife? If yes, they keep the benefits.
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<quoted text>Well of course a gay guy isn't going to molest a little girl! So hateful against the heteros aren't you, your name to me is no longer lilith or sparkle or pole dancer. From now on you are to go by the name Jeffrey Domer!
ooooh ok marlboro man

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I don't care what people do behind closed doors. I can not understand how a Judge can over rule what we voted for. I know I can't see how a moron would change a voted law and passed can in his or her mind override law. So they can't be law abiding folks when they go willy nilly and do what a minority wants.
My mind can't understand how they can't abide in what we as a people voted on. It hurts to know we have people taking things that are right and just doing what ever suites them.
I have family members more them one living a homosexual, do I love them without a dough I love them the same as the rest. They know I can't approved in the life style. And they also in the same way they love me as well. There is not one thing I would anything for any my family THEIR IS NO DEFERENCE IN MY EYES. But they also know the word of GOD never ever changes. I was a enemy of GOD as well.
So what you are basically saying is that you have to think what your imaginary friend dictates to you..........wow..........

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But it was in other parts of the U.S.
'A superior colored man ... and a Scotch woman': interracial marriages in New York City, 1850-1870.
When interviewed by a pension official in 1893, Ellen Davis stated that she was fifty-nine years old, employed as a washerwoman, and that she was born in Scotland. The widow spoke affectionately of her husband John Davis, a veteran of Company G of the 26th United States Colored Infantry who had passed away in 1887 at the age of seventy. The two had married at their home in Brooklyn in 1879 and settled down to raise Ellen's three children from her previous marriage. She recalled, "I had three children by my first husband [.H]is name was James Ronald [and] he was a Scotsman. I married him in Chanden, Scotland in 1859. We went to Australia within two weeks after we were married.... and lived on a sheep farm.... I lived there two years when his health began to fail and we moved back to Scotland." Her husband died soon thereafter and Ellen Davis moved to New York City in 1874 to stay with her cousin. Three years later, she met John Davis who worked as a sawyer in a mill. The Davis couple was well-liked in their neighborhood. According to a local official, "He was a superior colored man, a sawyer by trade, and was considered an honest and truthful man....[she] is a Scotch woman [who] speaks with a strong Scotch accent [and] appears to [be] honest and truthful." (1)
The marriage of John and Ellen Davis was one between a white woman and an African-American man, a Scottish immigrant and a native New Yorker, and two working class laborers. While one might assume that such relationships were rare in the nineteenth century, a close examination of United States Manuscript Census Records in New York City for 1850, 1860, and 1870 indicates that such interracial, cross-cultural marriages constituted five to seven percent of married couples living in predominantly black neighborhoods. The number of interracial marriages varied over the twenty year period under investigation but skyrocketed following the Civil War. Census records indicate that there were 29 interracial marriages in 1850, 19 in 1860, and 116 in 1870. The vast majority of such relationships occurred between black men and white women often between an African-American male born in the United States and a woman who had immigrated from Europe, most of whom were Irish, Scottish, or English.(2) While mixed-race couples in different regions and in different eras faced tremendous resistance, such couples were not uncommon in mid-nineteenth-century New York City. Interracial couples often married in black churches in New York, worked in the city, sent their children to local African schools, and successfully interacted with government institutions, including pension officials, local court representatives, and census takers.
This article examines why such interracial relationships were not unusual to New York City from 1850 to 1870.
So, what you're saying is that it was legal in some states, but not recognized in others? Hmmmm... That sounds vaguely familiar.

And I'm guessing that the happy couples you talked about didn't honeymoon in Mississippi.
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<quoted text>Well there olde dude... to begin with the constitution was written to protect minorities from the tieriny of a majority and you just don't vote away a persons civil rights... Number two no one gives a fluck about your god or his 2000 year old comic book and we don't pass laws based on a mythical superstition... I'm sorry your an old bigot... but that is your choice and we don't give you SPECIAL RIGHTS to impose your hate on others... Thanks for playing... you will find a concellation prize at the door on the right as you leave
Don't worry old surfer dude, this girl sells her body for a living and has encouraged her kids to do the same. They even make her her trashy stage outfits. Of course this girl is all for ssm and is against anyone who is not, she has no morals and is just a pig!
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<quoted text>ooooh ok marlboro man
The Marlboro man is sexy;)
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<quoted text>The Marlboro man is sexy;)
i'm sure lung cancer is too

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<quoted text>The Marlboro man is sexy;)
I guess that would make you a charter member of the National Necrophilia foundation I reckon then? Sexey and dead,the Marlboro man died of lung cancer quite awhile ago! He even did an anti-smoking commercial for the Cancer society with him up on his big OL horse with a oxygen tank and mask before he died!

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So, what you're saying is that it was legal in some states, but not recognized in others? Hmmmm... That sounds vaguely familiar.
And I'm guessing that the happy couples you talked about didn't honeymoon in Mississippi.
I pointed out legal interracial (black white) are nothing new, and existed prior to some of the bans. SSM is a modern invention.

How many races/ethnicities are there? Same number as there are sexes?

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The Supreme Court "expanded" the definition of marriage in 1967 to include marriages between interracial couples.
No, they simply recognized a husband AND wife, regardless of ethnicity, are still husband AND wife.

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I pointed out legal interracial (black white) are nothing new, and existed prior to some of the bans. SSM is a modern invention.
How many races/ethnicities are there? Same number as there are sexes?
I'm sure that there have always been a percentage of monogamous gay couples, just as there have always been gay people: Monotheism drove gay people underground, just like it drove prostitution underground.
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I guess that would make you a charter member of the National Necrophilia foundation I reckon then? Sexey and dead,the Marlboro man died of lung cancer quite awhile ago! He even did an anti-smoking commercial for the Cancer society with him up on his big OL horse with a oxygen tank and mask before he died!
Aw shuddup Bill you big dopey jackass!
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<quoted text>Don't worry old surfer dude, this girl sells her body for a living and has encouraged her kids to do the same. They even make her her trashy stage outfits. Of course this girl is all for ssm and is against anyone who is not, she has no morals and is just a pig!
So I guess telling lies about others doesn't break your gods laws either ehh... My child is in college now you dolt and she don't know how to sew and the only pig is you

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No, they simply recognized a husband AND wife, regardless of ethnicity, are still husband AND wife.
So, you're saying that the Supreme Court "expanded" or "redefined" marriage in America to include interracial marriage; which had not been recognized universally in the U.S. prior to 1967.

And you, yourself, admitted earlier that same-gender marriages have existed in the past. So, it's not like it's a brand new idea.

Besides, same-sex couples have been around for eons, even if they haven't been formally recognized through marriage.

You guys act as though us gay people just started falling out of the closet a few years ago.

We won't let your ignorance stand in the way of what we believe we are entitled to.

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