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Increase CHP enforcement angering residents in Rowland Heights

There are 139 comments on the San Gabriel Valley Tribune story from Aug 22, 2010, titled Increase CHP enforcement angering residents in Rowland Heights. In it, San Gabriel Valley Tribune reports that:

The California Highway Patrol has been concentrating on traffic enforcement in collision-prone areas, including Colima Road and Albatross Road.

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Vince Perez

West Covina, CA

#128 Aug 25, 2010
Hollywood wrote:
CHP, LAPD you name it and they ARE ticketing! I just got one the other day for "Drivgin on the wrong side of the road". I was on Sunset and needed to turn left on Highland. The green arrow was lit and NO other traffic was coming. So I was on the "wrong side" of the yellow line for all of 1-2 seconds while I moved into the left turn lane. BSBSBSBSBSBSBS!!!!! Everyone in LA drives like this! Has been the SAME since I was a kid! Just like the rolling stop certain things are done in LA or we'd never ****'n move!!!
I'm sure karma will take care of the LAPD cop though!
That's just all YOUR perception. Most people DO know the rules, obey the law, even come to a COMPLETE stop. You might be a younger person who THINKS that everyone drives as you do- because so many young people do. But then again, you might be an older guy who just hasn't grown up- there's lots of those too. But after seeing (and experiencing) a few horrors in life, and realizing just how vulnerable one is on the road and just how quickly one can end up dead, injured, or the cause of someone else's tragedy, one tends to slow down and take others' safety into consideration....
Vince Perez

West Covina, CA

#129 Aug 25, 2010
Here, kid, this might help:

Brother in Blue

Fontana, CA

#130 Aug 25, 2010
ole Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
It is an old wives tale that speed is the primary factor in the majority of accidents. The data shows failure to yield is the primary factor. This data was collected from reports gathered from 20 countries with trustworthy law enforcement agencies.
The data from Germany showed that speeds under 125 miles per hour were NOT the sole cause of fatal accidents. In fact, operators driving that fast were more attentive and had far fewer road crashes than those driving 55 miles per hour......
I am a pretty good driver, on the track, and on the highway. I have had four tickets in the last four years. All were strictly revenue tickets, which were easily defeated in Court. My favorites were the CHP guy who thought he could ignore the rules for radar speed traps and showed up in Court without a valid engineering and traffic survey. He almost got sanctioned. The next was the city cop that "knew" passing on the right was "not legal" but he could not find a code section for that,(there isn't one) so he wrote a ticket for passing on the left of a double yellow line. That cop was encouraged to seek employment in another county. Then was the cop who stopped me "just to examine my insurance card" I produced it, but he wrote a citation anyway. I used his dashcam video to impeach him in Court. Realizing he was not the brightest buld in the string, his department quietly extinguished his glow. The fourth was a basic speed law ticket where I used the officers own testimony to verify that all the factors of safe operation were present. Not Guilty. I felt sorry for this guy who was just out there operating the city "Cherry Orchard" to meet the quota expected of him.
How many accident reports have you written in your career as a police officer? I've written hundreds. How many accident investigation classes have you gone through and are certified? I've been through multiple and can speak from my training and experience.

If someone does not yield they are going an unsafe speed, because the safe speed would be zero. If a vehicle hits another vehicle from behind at 1 MPH it is still considered an unsafe speed.

The last time I checked we live in the US of A. We aren't in Germany so don't use a study that has nothing to do with laws, roadways or drivers here in America. If you look on the website of the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA), which conducts studies of drivers and roadways here in America, they state that speed is one of the primary collision factors in injury and fatal traffic collisions.

Of course speed is not going to be the ONLY collision factor in most fatal accidents. There are all sorts of other associated factors such as fail to maintain its lane of travel, fail to stop for a stop sign, unsafe turn.

The point is, the slower the vehicle is traveling the more likely that the occupants in the vehicle would survive the accident. Let's think with common sense. Are you more likely to get hurt or killed in an accident traveling at 65 MPH or 125 MPH?

You're wrong, of course, about there not being a vehicle code section in regards to passing on the right:

V C Section 21750 Overtake and Pass to Left

21750. The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle or a bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of the overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated.

Amended Sec. 7, Ch. 674, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997

You're not a good driver if you've received 4 tickets in as many years. I don't care if you got convicted or not. Just because an officer wasn't prepared or didn't know the proper section, does not mean that you are a good driver.

What's a revenue ticket? I can't seem to find a vehicle code section for that... Oh, that's because it doesn't exist. Take responsibility for your bad driving.
sgvgirl

Menifee, CA

#131 Aug 25, 2010
Amen Brother in Blue!
ole Bob

Whittier, CA

#132 Aug 25, 2010
How many accident reports have you written in your career as a police officer?
I have never been a police officer, however, I have supervised thousands as an underwriter.

I've written hundreds. How many accident investigation classes have you gone through and are certified? I've been through multiple and can speak from my training and experience.
I taught mathematics for motorsports, physics for accident investigation, and effective report writing. These were real college courses, not a Saturday lecture at a police academy. My students were not certified, they usually received a masters or doctorate.

If someone does not yield they are going an unsafe speed, because the safe speed would be zero. If a vehicle hits another vehicle from behind at 1 MPH it is still considered an unsafe speed.
The speed does not alter the fact that the following vehicle failed to maintain proper distance. In you example the application of speed as a causative factor would be called Brilliant Speculation.

The last time I checked we live in the US of A. We aren't in Germany so don't use a study that has nothing to do with laws, roadways or drivers here in America.
You might be aware that Germany allows vehicles to travel at speeds well above that allowed in the USA. The laws, roadways, drivers, and cars are so similar to the USA it is a fair comparison. They even have cops with attitude.
If you look on the website of the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA), which conducts studies of drivers and roadways here in America, they state that speed is one of the primary collision factors in injury and fatal traffic collisions.
NHTSA also uses studies from Germany in their work. You need to realize they are the lap dog of the politicians that enjoy the fines generated by the use of speed traps.

Of course speed is not going to be the ONLY collision factor in most fatal accidents. There are all sorts of other associated factors such as fail to maintain its lane of travel, fail to stop for a stop sign, unsafe turn.
Agreed, and the most prominent factor is failure to yield right of way.

The point is, the slower the vehicle is traveling the more likely that the occupants in the vehicle would survive the accident. Let's think with common sense. Are you more likely to get hurt or killed in an accident traveling at 65 MPH or 125 MPH?
Common sense is wonderful, but it is the tool of the uneducated. It is not the absolute speed that kills people, but rather the differential in speeds between the colliding objects. The German study proved your common sense wrong.

You're wrong, of course, about there not being a vehicle code section in regards to passing on the right:

V C Section 21750 Overtake and Pass to Left

21750. The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle or a bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of the overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated.

Amended Sec. 7, Ch. 674, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997
ole Bob

Whittier, CA

#133 Aug 25, 2010
Continued from above:

Youíre wrong, of course, about this section prohibiting passing on the right. This section allows passing on the left when it is permitted to cross the center line of the roadway. Like many officers who are not really sure what the law means, you have fallen for the trap that reads in pertinent part:

subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated.

Now, let us read the rest of the story,

V C Section 21754 Passing on the Right

Passing on the Right

21754. The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn.
(b) Upon a highway within a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in the direction of travel.
(c) Upon any highway outside of a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width and clearly marked for two or more lines of moving traffic in the direction of travel.
(d) Upon a one-way street.
(e) Upon a highway divided into two roadways where traffic is restricted to one direction upon each of such roadways.
The provisions of this section shall not relieve the driver of a slow moving vehicle from the duty to drive as closely as practicable to the right hand edge of the roadway.

You're not a good driver if you've received 4 tickets in as many years. I don't care if you got convicted or not. Just because an officer wasn't prepared or didn't know the proper section, does not mean that you are a good driver.

The officers wrote bad citations. One perjured himself. Looks like I am still a good driver. No convictions, no accidents.

What's a revenue ticket? I can't seem to find a vehicle code section for that... Oh, that's because it doesn't exist. Take responsibility for your bad driving.

There is no vehicle code section because it is codified in the Penal Code. Section 118.1 Donít lie in Court, Iíll catch you on cross.

“The Ravaged Canyon City”

Since: Feb 10

Azusa

#134 Aug 25, 2010
Some things I would like to see the CHP notice and ticket more:
Passing using the on/off ramp lanes
Tailgating
Riding single in the carpool lane
Weaving in and out of lanes
Holding the cell phone up to your ear

I see idiots doing these things every day.
imo

Duarte, CA

#135 Aug 25, 2010
ole Bob wrote:
Continued from above:
Youíre wrong, of course, about this section prohibiting passing on the right. This section allows passing on the left when it is permitted to cross the center line of the roadway. Like many officers who are not really sure what the law means, you have fallen for the trap that reads in pertinent part:
subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated.
Now, let us read the rest of the story,
V C Section 21754 Passing on the Right
Passing on the Right
21754. The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn.
(b) Upon a highway within a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in the direction of travel.
(c) Upon any highway outside of a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width and clearly marked for two or more lines of moving traffic in the direction of travel.
(d) Upon a one-way street.
(e) Upon a highway divided into two roadways where traffic is restricted to one direction upon each of such roadways.
The provisions of this section shall not relieve the driver of a slow moving vehicle from the duty to drive as closely as practicable to the right hand edge of the roadway.
You're not a good driver if you've received 4 tickets in as many years. I don't care if you got convicted or not. Just because an officer wasn't prepared or didn't know the proper section, does not mean that you are a good driver.
The officers wrote bad citations. One perjured himself. Looks like I am still a good driver. No convictions, no accidents.
What's a revenue ticket? I can't seem to find a vehicle code section for that... Oh, that's because it doesn't exist. Take responsibility for your bad driving.
There is no vehicle code section because it is codified in the Penal Code. Section 118.1 Donít lie in Court, Iíll catch you on cross.
Nicely done, Bob!
Vince Perez

West Covina, CA

#136 Aug 28, 2010
I'll give ole Bob this much: fail to yield does create unsafe scenarios on the road. The freeways would be so much easier to navigate (and safer) if slower drivers would stay to the right! It gets frustrating and hazardous when folks use the fast lane to just lope along as if they own the road. There really should be a more concerted effort to educate on this. That being said, the people that insist on passing are responsible ultimately for creating dangerous situations. Weaving, speeding, and following too close (big problem nowadays) really make it dicey out there. And btw, Bob, I haven't been issued a citation in almost 20 years (knock on wood) and I drive a lot. I think you might have a bit of myopia when it comes to your own behavior (and attitude). Thanks for the good work Brother in Blue.
Ahole

Norwalk, CA

#137 Aug 28, 2010
Do you know when a mexican is speeding(or driving to fast)? His car is moving.
Brother in Blue wrote:
<quoted text>
How many accident reports have you written in your career as a police officer? I've written hundreds. How many accident investigation classes have you gone through and are certified? I've been through multiple and can speak from my training and experience.
If someone does not yield they are going an unsafe speed, because the safe speed would be zero. If a vehicle hits another vehicle from behind at 1 MPH it is still considered an unsafe speed.
The last time I checked we live in the US of A. We aren't in Germany so don't use a study that has nothing to do with laws, roadways or drivers here in America. If you look on the website of the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA), which conducts studies of drivers and roadways here in America, they state that speed is one of the primary collision factors in injury and fatal traffic collisions.
Of course speed is not going to be the ONLY collision factor in most fatal accidents. There are all sorts of other associated factors such as fail to maintain its lane of travel, fail to stop for a stop sign, unsafe turn.
The point is, the slower the vehicle is traveling the more likely that the occupants in the vehicle would survive the accident. Let's think with common sense. Are you more likely to get hurt or killed in an accident traveling at 65 MPH or 125 MPH?
You're wrong, of course, about there not being a vehicle code section in regards to passing on the right:
V C Section 21750 Overtake and Pass to Left
21750. The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle or a bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of the overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated.
Amended Sec. 7, Ch. 674, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997
You're not a good driver if you've received 4 tickets in as many years. I don't care if you got convicted or not. Just because an officer wasn't prepared or didn't know the proper section, does not mean that you are a good driver.
What's a revenue ticket? I can't seem to find a vehicle code section for that... Oh, that's because it doesn't exist. Take responsibility for your bad driving.
Ahole

Norwalk, CA

#138 Aug 28, 2010
BruceBKind wrote:
Some things I would like to see the CHP notice and ticket more:
Passing using the on/off ramp lanes
Tailgating
Riding single in the carpool lane
Weaving in and out of lanes
Holding the cell phone up to your ear
I see idiots doing these things every day.
1.(Passing using the on/off ramp lanes) A lot CHP cops don't know that the solid white line means 'no passing' and they do it themselves.

2.(Tailgating) CHP cops are usually on detail looking for specific violations like speeding or drunk drivers or people driving solo in the car pool lane and ignore everything.

3.(Riding single in the carpool lane) This is the only law I wish everyone broke. If everyone was in the car pool lane then they won't be in front of me. This is the only law that isn't enforced to make the freeways safer.

4.(Weaving in and out of lanes) isn't against the law, as long as you use your turn signals, aren't speeding and don't cause another driver to hit his brakes. But if you are speeding, unsafe lane changing and cut someone off it's restless driving, but CHP cops seldom if ever cite drivers for reckless driving.

5.(Holding the cell phone up to your ear) Most of the time I notice someone is on their cell phone it's because they were doing something else stupid.
Beth

Aiea, HI

#139 Aug 29, 2010
The only RH residents that have cause to get angry are the ones suffering due to bad drivers.

The CHP comes to our Community meetings every month. Residents ask them to cover areas where there are safety issues.

This area with the strip mall driveways feeding onto Albatross has always been a dangerous spot. That is why the clearance zone was painted in & the no left turn signs were installed. It is simply too unsafe. The new restrictions may be inconvenient, but they are better than getting your car damaged, suffering an injury, or losing a life. Use the Colima driveways.

The CHP Officers are doing their job to protect the public on the roadways. If you don't want a ticket, follow the traffic laws. If you have a dangerous traffic problem in your neighborhood, call it in to the CHP. If you are unhappy with how the traffic flow is designed, call the County hot line: 211.
The real deal

Sunland, CA

#140 Aug 30, 2010
Lori wrote:
<quoted text>
Well may-be you need to open your eyes because I know of at least 4 in your area at all times.
My eyes are open. Im not Asian and what you are saying is not true. I live here and know.
RH Steve

Los Angeles, CA

#141 Jan 6, 2012
I agree with the post that says there should be a stop sign on Albatross there. If it was for the blind curve, the people turning right out of the next plaza would have an even worse vision of the road turning right. At least the people turning left would be able to see 100+ ft. up the hill, unlike the people turning right.
Teri F

Dallas, TX

#142 Jan 17, 2012
Unfortunately, Rowland Heights is home to some of the worst drivers I have ever encountered.
They have a total disregard for most of the traffic signs too.
Do they have drivers licenses in cereal boxes?
Write more tickets please!!!!!
Richard W

Monrovia, CA

#143 Mar 5, 2012
If you come down Albatros toward Colima you will note there are no warning signs or speed controls on Albatros except one "Stop Ahead" warning sign, this sign is already to close to the shopping centers to be of much value. I counted 47 violation at Albatross and the shopping center drive with in one half hour on one day and over 30 within one half hour the second day on Sat between 9:45am and 10:15am, I recorded these violation at off peak hours at the "right turn only" sign. There is something not working with the traffic control system at this intersection. Some motorist are bad driver but come-on, almost a hundred in an hour. Roland Heights and the West Covina area is no worst than any other place for bad drivers. This area of Albatross is a financial give away for California and the Sheriff Dept.
policestate

Fontana, CA

#144 Apr 13, 2012
The left turn on albatross is a trick to the eye. I did not even see the sign because I was looking for a store across the street. I didn't go left but I went straight and the cop was just waiting there in a hidden spot. If they would wait right by the sign people might pay attention more and it would be less accidents and less tickets there. I have never seen a confusing intersection like that. They must be making bank.
ABC

Westminster, CA

#145 Jul 7, 2015
Rowland Heights is a police state now, I see no less than 8 units on Colima each day.
Things are just crazy, every day I see them stopping drivers and fine them $600+ tickets for the most ridiculous of infractions.
Feels like tanks with sickle and hammer flags will start rolling down the streets any minute.
Ted C

Westminster, CA

#146 Jul 7, 2015
Richard W wrote:
If you come down Albatros toward Colima you will note there are no warning signs or speed controls on Albatros except one "Stop Ahead" warning sign, this sign is already to close to the shopping centers to be of much value. I counted 47 violation at Albatross and the shopping center drive with in one half hour on one day and over 30 within one half hour the second day on Sat between 9:45am and 10:15am, I recorded these violation at off peak hours at the "right turn only" sign. There is something not working with the traffic control system at this intersection. Some motorist are bad driver but come-on, almost a hundred in an hour. Roland Heights and the West Covina area is no worst than any other place for bad drivers. This area of Albatross is a financial give away for California and the Sheriff Dept.
Yeah, I see cops stopping someone there every 25 minutes lately. Potentially that is 80 stops there very day, and a ticket being up to $600, that's up to $4800 a day, My doctor doesn't even make that much money,

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