Honk: Are those 'Children at Play' si...

Honk: Are those 'Children at Play' signs legal?

There are 124 comments on the Orange Co. Register story from Feb 11, 2011, titled Honk: Are those 'Children at Play' signs legal?. In it, Orange Co. Register reports that:

Q. Is it legal for someone to put those "Slow Children at Play" signs in the middle of the street?i 1 2 A family in our neighborhood puts them in the street, and not only is there barely enough room to get around them, at night you don't see them until you're right on top of them.i 1 2 It seems that some folks think the street is a playground, and ...

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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#67 Aug 17, 2013
All research available indicates that even official government-installed “Children at Play” signs are not recommended, let alone privately placed obstacles in the middle of the street.

The false sense of security and the encouragement for children to play in the street is extremely dangerous.

Here are several examples, just from California, with many more available.

http://www.techtransfer.berkeley.edu/newslett...

http://www.murrieta.org/civica/filebank/blobd...

http://www.ci.redding.ca.us/transeng/traffic/...

http://www.carlsbadca.gov/services/traffic/op...

http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/FAQ.aspx...

http://www.rocklin.ca.gov/depts/ps/traffic_li...

http://www.ci.oceanside.ca.us/civica/filebank...

http://www.wlv.org/index.aspx...
Nope

Salt Lake City, UT

#68 Sep 7, 2013
Johnny wrote:
If you strike a kid, you have broken federal law. Pedestrians always have the right of way. Strike a pedestrian with your car, and you'll be paying for it for the rest of your life. Like it or not, it's just that simple.
My great uncle actually hit and killed a kid who was running down the highway, and didn't go to a day of court or jail time. Pedestrians do have the right of way but if you don't teach your kids right, you can't use the law to try and get revenge, now you both have to live with the fact that you are just as responsible because of your bad parenting. Just teach your kids not to play in the road and look both ways.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#69 Sep 15, 2013
CHP wrote:
Private citizens are prohibited from placing signs, banners, barriers or other devices in the public right-of-way on any government funded and controlled street without specific government approval from the agency that maintains that roadway.
<quoted text>
That's not what the vehicle code says.
The police chief in Temecula does not agree with you.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#70 Sep 15, 2013
Johnny wrote:
If you strike a kid, you have broken federal law. Pedestrians always have the right of way. Strike a pedestrian with your car, and you'll be paying for it for the rest of your life. Like it or not, it's just that simple.
What federal law?

Pedestrians have the right of way in marked crosswalks.
Parent

Surrey, Canada

#71 Oct 15, 2013
Looking for a durable street sign to keep your kids safe?

Search Children Street Safety Sign on ebay.

These signs are durable and large enough to not be missed.

Kept my children safe for years!!
Arvin

Bremerton, WA

#72 Oct 20, 2013
What a stupid question. This is just for safety of children of course. Is your texting and calling on the phone allowed and legal?
LeeH

Ottawa, Canada

#73 Oct 29, 2013
Street hockey is technically against the by laws here. It is only enforced if children are damaging property or if their safety is in danger. I have raised 3 children to adulthood without them needing to play in the street. If they wanted to ride their bikes up and down the street they were taught how to respect the rules of the road and do so properly rather than dart in and out of driveways without checking. As parents we can't absolve ourselves of parenting by using a thought process such as " it isn't fun to play hockey in the yard" if it is illegal (enforced or not) don't teach your kids to break the law just because it is fun.
Anthony

Tracy, CA

#74 Jan 28, 2014
I have just taken to running the signs over.....at the legal speed limit of course. Nothing they can do about it. It really makes people mad but payback is a b^%$# I always say.
Roadie

Carmel, IN

#75 Mar 10, 2014
Tan wrote:
If those sign are not permitted than why are they sold?
Let me tell you why we buy them, it is because most people are not paying attention, texting or on their phones, or driving too fast. They are the ones that complain!!! Slow down in residential areas and there won't be any problems!
And yes, the street is a playground for our kids to play!!
If the police are being called out to access a situation, our city should be notified as well and they should take the time to put speed bumps in each and every single residential area instead of spending tax dollars on arguing about school boundaries!!
I do not know why the signs are sold. Probably a money maker. But I do know that the road is not a play ground! Also if someone is texting and we know that is against the law,well how will they see your sign since you said that you got it for that reason? If you have a yard place your kids in the yard. The back is safer. Also, you can go to your local park if one is near by. If the kids are riding bikes take them to a safe place to ride. Why do we have roads? For cars not a playground. You will be the first to sue if your child gets hit and thinking it is not your fault. Think about it. Safety first. Speed bumps cost tax payers money and you would have speed bumps everywhere and after you start driving over them you would not like your idea.
Conderned mom

Roseville, CA

#76 Mar 12, 2014
I am amazed how many people post "facts" that are nothing more than their own opinion.

At least in California, pedestrians have the right of way in marked crosswalks and unmarked crosswalks at intersections.

"The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within any marked crosswalk or within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, except as otherwise provided in this chapter." A pedestrian and a driver both have a duty to use due care.(Vehicle Code 21950(a).)

"No pedestrian may suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard. No pedestrian may unnecessarily stop or delay traffic while in a marked or unmarked crosswalk." (Vehicle Code 21950(b).)

"Every pedestrian upon a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway so near as to constitute an immediate hazard." (Vehicle Code 21954(a).)

"The driver of any motor vehicle, prior to driving over or upon any sidewalk, shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian approaching thereon." (Vehicle Code 21952.) An example of this would be entering your driveay.

Summary, vehicles have the right of way everywhere on the street except at marked crosswalks and unmarked crosswalks at intersections. Pedestrians have the right of way on sidewalks. Regardless of who has the right of way, everybody has to use due care.

Streets are primarily for vehicle traffic. Streets are not playgrounds, no matter what your personal opinion is.

The use of "SLOW CHILDREN AT PLAY" or similar signs is not allowed on public roads. The signs being discussed are a commercial item sold by someone who is making money on them. There is no law that prohibits a person making or selling such a sign. That doesn't mean that they are legal to put up anywhere. It just means they are legal to be bought and sold. The signs give the impression that it is legal to play in the road. It is not.

There is no need for everybody to call each other names. Everybody has a right to believe what they want. But we live in a society that follows the rule of law. These laws were created to keep everybody as safe as possible.

I live in a suburban area. When my daughter was smaller, she was allowed to ride her bicycle only on the sidewalk. Cars must yield the right of way to a pedestrian (this includes kids on bikes and scooters) on a sidewalk, so this was the safest choice. Sometimes I would allow her to ride on the street in our cul-de-sac, but only if I was out with her, watching for approaching traffic and moving her off the street at the first sign of an approaching car.

I observe the speed limit, am a cautious driver, do not text or call on my phone while I drive, and am hyper-vigilant. But even under the best of circumstances, with a 1-2 ton vehicle, any cautious driver might be unable to stop in time if a child runs out into the street suddenly. Nobody wants a child injured or killed--theirs or anybody else's. If you allow your children to play in the street, you are taking what I consider to be an unacceptable risk with your child. Putting a sign in the street that you purchased at Toys R Us will not make them safe. Teaching them proper care while playing near a street will help keep them safe. If your child is of an age where he/she runs into the street without thinking, your child is too young to play that close to the street.
Happy

Tempe, AZ

#77 Apr 8, 2014
I have kids & just like I was taught "you do not play in the street" I read the comment will a sign stop a drunk driver? Best bet is to teach your children not to play in dangerous areas..like a road. Moms can't control other drivers, seems like some Moms can't control their kids or are to lazy maybe. I keep reading about the safety of kids but why are the parents not so concerned to teach the kiddies road safety. The signs must give a confusing message to kids- is the street a play ground or not? Im sure when they get older & can drive theyll have a real handle on the safety rules of driving- look out! How about petition for speed bumps? To much work, not for the safety of your kids & hey, your showing your kids that you have to respect the law, teaching them, bonus!:) and your neighbors won't hate you. Anything after that (but..what if.. ect) you are lazy
cfergi

Flemington, NJ

#78 May 20, 2014
Tan wrote:
If those sign are not permitted than why are they sold?
Let me tell you why we buy them, it is because most people are not paying attention, texting or on their phones, or driving too fast. They are the ones that complain!!! Slow down in residential areas and there won't be any problems!
And yes, the street is a playground for our kids to play!!
If the police are being called out to access a situation, our city should be notified as well and they should take the time to put speed bumps in each and every single residential area instead of spending tax dollars on arguing about school boundaries!!
IT IS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S JOB TO WATCH YOUR CHILDREN!
Sad Parent

Canada

#79 May 23, 2014
I can't imagine what the problem is rof driving around a sign. In comparison the heart break that can be caused if just one out of the thousands of people driving by killed a beloved family pet or worse one of our kids.In high-school I was in a car as a passenger that hit a little girl.She lived because my friend wasn't speeding but that image is and will always be with me.I'm 41 now Ans just this week we lost our family pet Bentley getting hit by a car.Anyone that has gone through knows not just the agony we go through but what our children go through.It absolutely kills me inside in so many ways.In.com parison to what my kids and us have gone through trust me a sign is not a big deal our loved ones are.Drive safe.
MommaBear

Hampshire, IL

#80 Jul 4, 2014
Dear Mr. Know-It-All Peace Officer
Under IL Vehicle Code and Alleyway is NOT a "Public Highway." Maybe you should take some extra time to study this. An Alleyway is supposed to be used soley for the purpose of unloading, drop offs, receiving, pick up, emergency or public works vehicles and as access for people who live in residences in adjecent to them. They are not to be used as public routes or "through" traffic. Under IL Law, any person using an Alleyway as a means to get from one street to the next can be ticketed. Also speed in an Alleyway is no more than 10 mph.
Please get your facts straight. The general public counts on you and your fellow service members to protect us and know the laws.

Thank You

sixpacks wrote:
I am a peace officer and I assure you public highways (includes back alleys and all streets) is NOT a playground. It is used legally for vehicles. Pedestrians can walk on left side of roadway if no sidewalk is present. Impeding traffic is another reason for it. Of course each municipality/state/province etc will have their own bylaws. Keep your children safe, keep them off the roadway.
Andrew

Chicopee, MA

#81 Jul 27, 2014
I live in western Massachusetts and see children at play every wear in residential roads. they fit them in every nook and cranny. I think that there should just be signs at the entrences to the neighborhood and not every wear. Not only do I see the signs in residential areas but i also see them on main roads 45mph sometimes. Children that live on main roads should be encouraged to not play near or in the road and only cross with an adult. Third of all these signs are not enforced. if someone is going over the speed Limet say by 3mph at a children sign. the police officer Would not pull the driver over. So children signs are used improperly many times in the US and should be fixed.
fbrevival

Littleton, CO

#82 Aug 8, 2014
Lots of sick parents here. They are teaching their kids it's okay to endanger their own lives on the principal that their parents are taxpayers. These parents are narcissists who believe their righteousness is above the safety of their kidsn motorists. How pathetic. We should teach our kids about how dangerous and deadly traffic lanes really can be. 3 tons of steel has the same effect on it's victim, no matter who is at fauly
fbrevival

Littleton, CO

#83 Aug 8, 2014
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
What federal law?
Pedestrians have the right of way in marked crosswalks.
Uhm, this would fall under the title of JayWalking...not preabulation.
Driverman46

Melbourne, Australia

#84 Aug 25, 2014
Man. You are a dickhead. Does it matter if it is legal or not? If you and others like you didn't drive like such morons then the signs wouldn't be required. Choose a different route or plan to leave five minutes earlier so you are not speeding down residential roads.
Lawyer2

Tampa, FL

#85 Oct 27, 2014
SnooperD wrote:
<quoted text>
And the yard works GREAT for playing street hockey and such,right? Sometimes even walking on the street to a sideWALK is dangerous. Yes, motorits need to slow down, get of their phones and pay ATTENTION! Get a life and get over it... Kids have played in the street for years and will continue to do so. People are just to hurried nowadays and don't care... a dog, a cat... oh sh!t, this time it was a kid!!!! Oh well, they shouldn't have been playing in the street. That IS what you're saying right?
If your dog or cat is wandering in the street, you have violated laws which require you to have your pet under leash control while in the public right-of-way. The animal can be removed to the local shelter and you will be cited for animal neglect when you come to pick it up. If that animal bites me, my child, or my pet who is walking with me on leash, I'll sue you for damages incurred by your neglect and your animal will be put down by the state as an aggressive animal.

I guess that is the progression, huh? You don't even know how to care for your pet and let it run wild and next you have kids and let them wander where ever they please, too. Take some responsibility!
BeKind2Others

Missouri City, TX

#86 Oct 27, 2014
WTF wrote:
To mother and grandmother- not buying it. Driving is all about Multi-tasking. If you can't manage around the signs and watch for kids at the same time, then you need to be off the road. Time to hand the keys over!
Don't be disrespectful. This grandmother has a good point. Putting illegal obstacles in the road can be more distracting than helpful. I watch out for the kids on my street every day. There is always a soccer game going on in the middle of street. No parents around. I slow down and wave at the kids (one shoots me the finger - and BTW - in a few years he will probably be the very speed demon on the street you are complaining of). I also have witnessed the parent down the street leave her illegal STOP sign out in the middle of road long after everyone went inside. It's pitch black outside and yet there is something just waiting to cause an accident. It's rude and unnecessary. Either people are paying attention or they aren't. If they arent, then adding a sign won't fix that.

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