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Since: Oct 11

Antioch, IL

#41 Jun 13, 2013
Wayward & duh, I do agree with you. Counseling and rehab can be real solutions. But, there will be hard-core offenders who are not willing to truly seek or accept help. They have to want it. Thoughts on what's best in that case?
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

#42 Jun 13, 2013
News Reader 2011 wrote:
Wayward & duh, I do agree with you. Counseling and rehab can be real solutions. But, there will be hard-core offenders who are not willing to truly seek or accept help. They have to want it. Thoughts on what's best in that case?
Seriously you don't have a clue ?
Hard-Core offenders don't want anything to do with rehab that is the dirty little secret you friends won't accept talking about.

Deep down even you won't admit what you know to be best for them.
Those hard-core guys are the ones who'll rob and even kill to get a fix or the money for it.
You know they won't stop ever for any reason.
Life is jail is where they belong.
But you and certainly your friends don't have the guts to admit that.

You and your friends would rather impersonate me, insult me, swear at me, and blame me for everything wrong then admit to the same truths you were just questioning in your post.

I'm not the enemy here. I never hurt anyone in my life. But i certainly have helped a few in my life.
duh

Antioch, IL

#43 Jun 13, 2013
News Reader 2011 wrote:
Wayward & duh, I do agree with you. Counseling and rehab can be real solutions. But, there will be hard-core offenders who are not willing to truly seek or accept help. They have to want it. Thoughts on what's best in that case?
IMHO I think there should be some strict sentencing guidelines for drug offenders. In patient treatment programs should be the first step for first time offenders instead of jail. Many times people are in and out of jail for years before real treatment is made available. That does no one any good. Hard core offenders will need jail time. Unfortunately there will always be some who can not be helped. Jail should be the last resort for addicts. Not the first.
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

#44 Jun 13, 2013
duh wrote:
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Hard core offenders will need jail time. Unfortunately there will always be some who can not be helped.
Slowly you're coming around to my thinking.

Since: Jan 12

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#45 Jun 13, 2013
News Reader 2011 wrote:
Wayward & duh, I do agree with you. Counseling and rehab can be real solutions. But, there will be hard-core offenders who are not willing to truly seek or accept help. They have to want it. Thoughts on what's best in that case?
Unfortunately that is true. There are some addicts that are convicted of serious felonies. Those people need to serve a jail sentence for their crime but this should also include any counseling needed. However, most addicts are not hard core offenders. They are convicted of petty crimes and probation violations. It is a cycle they can not get out of. They are sentenced to probation, violate their probation and end up in jail, over and over again, a vicious circle. They get out of jail, back to the life that landed them there in the first place, and the cycle continues. We all pay for this cycle and it's not working. Programs like drug court are working and its these types of programs we need to invest in.
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

#46 Jun 14, 2013
WaywardDaughter wrote:
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Unfortunately that is true. There are some addicts that are convicted of serious felonies. Those people need to serve a jail sentence for their crime
Another person slowly coming around to my way of thinking.
I must be in a parallel universe.
But seriously they do need to do jail time.
I'm willing to compromise ( see i am a nice guy ) and say a short term jail for first time drug offenders.
Truth is rehab really doesn't work all that much.
There is a real difference between them and say a gambler.
Gambling is also an addiction but one of the mind.
Drugs is both an addiction and a chemical dependency on the drug.
Rehab can cure the gambler but it won't do squat for a druggie unless they are truly removed physically from the drug.
You won't admit to that but i'm sure you know that to be true.
Anyway its nice seeing you admit to some jail.
To bad we can't have a real conversation about that without the insults.
duh

Antioch, IL

#47 Jun 14, 2013
WaywardDaughter wrote:
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Unfortunately that is true. There are some addicts that are convicted of serious felonies. Those people need to serve a jail sentence for their crime but this should also include any counseling needed. However, most addicts are not hard core offenders. They are convicted of petty crimes and probation violations. It is a cycle they can not get out of. They are sentenced to probation, violate their probation and end up in jail, over and over again, a vicious circle. They get out of jail, back to the life that landed them there in the first place, and the cycle continues. We all pay for this cycle and it's not working. Programs like drug court are working and its these types of programs we need to invest in.
This is spot on. The best way to help an addict recover includes helping them learn to live a different life than they had. Thats why drug court is so successful.

Since: Oct 11

Antioch, IL

#48 Jun 14, 2013
"The best way to help an addict recover includes helping them learn to live a different life than they had."

Totally agree. I think that's the biggest thing. You can learn to do everything right in rehab, or maybe even jail with a counseling program for some, but when you come back to real life, you need to change your ways. And that's hard, for any addict, whether their addition is drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, food...

I wonder how the guy who opened the alcohol-free bar, I think in Crystal Lake, is doing? I hope it makes it.
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

#49 Jun 14, 2013
News Reader 2011 wrote:
"The best way to help an addict recover includes helping them learn to live a different life than they had."
i agree. JAIL would be a totally different life then robbing, murdering, and doing drugs.
It would be a huge help locking up every criminal.

Since: Jan 12

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#50 Jun 14, 2013
News Reader 2011 wrote:
"The best way to help an addict recover includes helping them learn to live a different life than they had."
Totally agree. I think that's the biggest thing. You can learn to do everything right in rehab, or maybe even jail with a counseling program for some, but when you come back to real life, you need to change your ways. And that's hard, for any addict, whether their addition is drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, food...
I wonder how the guy who opened the alcohol-free bar, I think in Crystal Lake, is doing? I hope it makes it.
I heard about that place. I feel the same. The normal AA type meetings and meeting places can get quite depressing for the younger crowd. It's a great idea and I hope it takes off.
duh

Antioch, IL

#52 Jun 14, 2013
The place is still open. They have a facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/TheOtherSideClub

It looks like a great place for the young sobers. Bands, open mic nights, etc. What a great idea. Hope it works out for them.
Carrie

Antioch, IL

#53 Jun 15, 2013
duh wrote:
The place is still open. They have a facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/TheOtherSideClub
It looks like a great place for the young sobers. Bands, open mic nights, etc. What a great idea. Hope it works out for them.
My cousin hangs here. Its a real fun place
Didnt know they had a facebook page. Thanks for the link

Congrats to the graduates too its a great program

Since: Dec 12

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#54 Jun 17, 2013
WaywardDaughter wrote:
http://www.nwherald.com/2013/0 5/15/mchenry-county-drug-court -graduates-first-participants/ aeyvouu/
Congrats graduates! This is a system that works and should be applauded. We need to invest our resources in programs like this that can make a difference in an addict's life, and change it completely. Programs like this reduce recidivism and work!
It's a great program. We need more like them. Thanks for posting.
Mystery douceman

United States

#55 Jun 18, 2013
Mystery Man wrote:
Getting back to the topic that no one but me will post about.
I'm glad Robert Downey Jr went to jail.
It straighten out his life big time.
Rehab centers do SOMETIMES help.
But the real help only happens when the druggie hits rock bottom. Ask an honest reformed druggie and they'll admit to that fact.
And jail is the ultimate rock bottom.
now watch how many personal attacks on me appear and how few on topic posts are made.
You guys just can't help yourself.
Oh please...many complete rehab and succeed WITHOUT jail... just because your lowlife self considers rock bottom JAIL...many classier individuals consider rock bottom when theyve lost control or spend to much $ on it....or other lesser things. Not everyone needs jail
go in with bachelors in marijuana...come out with masters in cocaine

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