Novato makes service a graduation req...

Novato makes service a graduation requirement

There are 36 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Aug 17, 2010, titled Novato makes service a graduation requirement. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

Novato high school students will need to complete at least 10 hours of community service each year in order to receive a diploma, the district board ruled Tuesday.

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Fed Up

San Francisco, CA

#1 Aug 17, 2010
Excellent idea. Community service hours should be a requirement for all high school seniors in the County. Kudos to Robert Veith and the school board.
Akk akk

San Ramon, CA

#2 Aug 17, 2010
Fed Up wrote:
Excellent idea. Community service hours should be a requirement for all high school seniors in the County. Kudos to Robert Veith and the school board.
This is just involuntary servitude, nothing more. Let's have the teachers and administrators do the same mandatory service without compensation. Who will select the "correct " non profits? Academic credit for this is nonsense. Academic credit for academic achievement.

Fidel

Since: Jun 10

Marin County

#3 Aug 17, 2010
Doing hours of community service is good practice for those hooligans who are about to embark on a criminal career.

All kidding aside, this is a win-win. It helps the students see the value in volunteering and it helps the recipients. AND....it gets them away from their video games for a few hours.
This is so WRONG

Novato, CA

#4 Aug 17, 2010
This is total nonsense. We are right on track of becoming a socialist country.
"Students who cannot complete the program for economic or health reasons will be able to apply for a waiver."
What does economics have to do with volunteering ones time.
steph

Mill Valley, CA

#5 Aug 18, 2010
This is so WRONG wrote:
This is total nonsense. We are right on track of becoming a socialist country.
"Students who cannot complete the program for economic or health reasons will be able to apply for a waiver."
What does economics have to do with volunteering ones time.
really WRONG-hole? i was a punk kid at NHS who volunteered at Novato Community Hostpital back in the day, Jus-B-F-ing-Cuz! it was a GREAT experience. while mandating such a thing seems weird (US out of my uterus thanx), what's the harm in this REALLY? it's not that much time...40 hours in 4 years? as a part of the cirriculum, it will provide more asSet than not. choose a battle, suck a D. and get cause.
radar

Novato, CA

#6 Aug 18, 2010
Cheap labor !!!!!!!!!!
have compassion

AOL

#7 Aug 18, 2010
This is so WRONG wrote:
This is total nonsense. We are right on track of becoming a socialist country.
"Students who cannot complete the program for economic or health reasons will be able to apply for a waiver."
What does economics have to do with volunteering ones time.
Maybe those studenst don't have supportive parents who will ensure a way to get to the destinations of were they are to volunteer. Some kids have a difficult life and should not be denied an education/future! I do agree each case should be screened carefully!
SR GAL

Ross, CA

#8 Aug 18, 2010
My kids have been required to do community service since the 7th grade, and it's been a great experience. Nursing homes, soup kitchens, preschools, etc. They had to do a lot more than 10 hours per year, and it wasn't hard, very rewarding.
Press 6 for English

San Jose, CA

#9 Aug 18, 2010
The point about helping others is a concept that should begin at home. I suppose that some people never are exposed to that idea, so it makes some sense to try and educate kids about the value of community service.

Frankly, schools are failing many kids. Nationally, there are demographics showing that less than half graduate high school.

Make them volunteer 10 hours to graduate? What will that really accomplish. It appears that some are bound and determined not to graduate.

Like Yogi Berra said, if people don't want to come to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?
Whos paying now

Novato, CA

#10 Aug 18, 2010
While I do encourage kids to do community service, I'm not sure that it should be a graduation requirement. Forcing them, doesn't teach them about volunteering. Volunteering is *wanting* to do a service, while this is just a flat out mandate.

What I would like to see is a MANDATED class on how to live in the REAL WORLD once they graduate. How to make a budget,live within their means, how credit works, write checks, pay bills, balance a checkbook, etc. My kids graduated from SM, and they didn't have a clue on ANY of it. I taught them, but how many parents don't? Ever wonder why todays society is less fiscally responsible than previous generations? Hmmm.....they teach these kids about "different" types of families, sex, etc, but don't have a basic class. They need to get their priorities straight!!
Being There

San Rafael, CA

#11 Aug 18, 2010
have compassion wrote:
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Maybe those studenst don't have supportive parents who will ensure a way to get to the destinations of were they are to volunteer. Some kids have a difficult life and should not be denied an education/future! I do agree each case should be screened carefully!
Maybe some students have parents that work and this is just one more way they will be made to feel inferior because they don't have a soccer Mom taxi available for them all day. I see this as a great idea - on paper. For those of us already struggling to be "supportive parents" juggling work and kids activities, this is one more burden to try and fit in.
And I see the kids with money getting the pick of the best options since they will be able to go anywhere they want, and the poorer kids getting the leftovers. Could backfire and make some kids resent the entire program when they're stuck doing something they have no interest in as they watch the rich popular kids have one more advantage over them.
Demosthenes

San Ramon, CA

#12 Aug 18, 2010
Economic and health waivers. Who do you think will get these waivers? This is just creeping Marxism. Serve the State. We own you. Free labor. Of course, we will decide who gets a pass so get on your knees.
Wait a minute

Novato, CA

#13 Aug 18, 2010
Being There wrote:
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Maybe some students have parents that work and this is just one more way they will be made to feel inferior because they don't have a soccer Mom taxi available for them all day. I see this as a great idea - on paper. For those of us already struggling to be "supportive parents" juggling work and kids activities, this is one more burden to try and fit in.
And I see the kids with money getting the pick of the best options since they will be able to go anywhere they want, and the poorer kids getting the leftovers. Could backfire and make some kids resent the entire program when they're stuck doing something they have no interest in as they watch the rich popular kids have one more advantage over them.
How does "rich" or "poor" apply to this at all? It's more whoever gets there first gets the job. And why is it the parents' responsibility to cart them all over? There are plenty of places in town where they can walk or take the bus over to volunteer. Honestly, why is everything a "problem?"
Demosthenes

San Ramon, CA

#14 Aug 18, 2010
It is the GOVERNMENT ordering students to work for free and to provide that free work to selected favored institutions. Certain privileged persons will be exempted, of course.
steph

Mill Valley, CA

#15 Aug 18, 2010
Being There wrote:
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Maybe some students have parents that work and this is just one more way they will be made to feel inferior because they don't have a soccer Mom taxi available for them all day. I see this as a great idea - on paper. For those of us already struggling to be "supportive parents" juggling work and kids activities, this is one more burden to try and fit in.
And I see the kids with money getting the pick of the best options since they will be able to go anywhere they want, and the poorer kids getting the leftovers. Could backfire and make some kids resent the entire program when they're stuck doing something they have no interest in as they watch the rich popular kids have one more advantage over them.
"one more burden to try and fit in" exactly. why have kids at all then?
Boudreaux

San Leandro, CA

#16 Aug 18, 2010
As I wrote before when the IJ posted the article regarding the discussion about potentially implementing the comunity service requirements, I still say that the originators and supporters of this plan should grab a shovel or a bedpan and get busy. In other words, provide a current and ongoing example for these students in doing their obligatory community service free of charge.

To those approving the graduation requirement, how would you feel if the elected officials required you by law to provide 'community service' at say, 10 hours per month gratis in order to be able to live in the county?(look on the bright side: your elected supervisors at least would be paid their wages overseeing the bureaucratic side of things while you provide the grunt work at your own expense...)

Heh, heh! I wonder what the comments here on the Topix forum would be if the IJ ever posted the hypothetical situation described above. In its description, it is no different from Novato's graduation requirement now.
Observer

Los Gatos, CA

#17 Aug 18, 2010
While we are at it, how about requiring welfare recipients to perform community service before they get their taxpayer check?
CaliGirl

Modesto, CA

#18 Aug 18, 2010
True, volunteering is born of a DESIRE to help rather than a mandate too. BUT, most teenage kids aren't going to choose to help out at a nursing home or soup kitchen when they could be playing on their PS3's or X-boxes. 10 hours a year is NOTHING, and I definitely think this should be a mandate not just in this high school, but in all high schools cross-country. Most kids these days have no respect or gratitude. Volunteering will teach them both. And there are plenty of different things they can do. Assisting as a coach for youth sports, being a Big Brother/Big Sister, etc. EVERYONE can choose SOMETHING that will make them feel like they are giving back in a positive way.

As for the other part of your comment, what then is a parent responsible for teaching their kids anymore? All too often, we hear parents complain that school didnt teach their kid this, that, or the other thing. YOU can teach your kid how to balance a checkbook when you're doing your own. YOU can teach a kid how credit works. YOU can teach your kid how to pay bills. Really. Show some bit of responsibility with the child you chose to have.
Whos paying now wrote:
While I do encourage kids to do community service, I'm not sure that it should be a graduation requirement. Forcing them, doesn't teach them about volunteering. Volunteering is *wanting* to do a service, while this is just a flat out mandate.
What I would like to see is a MANDATED class on how to live in the REAL WORLD once they graduate. How to make a budget,live within their means, how credit works, write checks, pay bills, balance a checkbook, etc. My kids graduated from SM, and they didn't have a clue on ANY of it. I taught them, but how many parents don't? Ever wonder why todays society is less fiscally responsible than previous generations? Hmmm.....they teach these kids about "different" types of families, sex, etc, but don't have a basic class. They need to get their priorities straight!!
Whos paying now

Novato, CA

#19 Aug 18, 2010
CaliGirl wrote:
True, volunteering is born of a DESIRE to help rather than a mandate too. BUT, most teenage kids aren't going to choose to help out at a nursing home or soup kitchen when they could be playing on their PS3's or X-boxes. 10 hours a year is NOTHING, and I definitely think this should be a mandate not just in this high school, but in all high schools cross-country. Most kids these days have no respect or gratitude. Volunteering will teach them both. And there are plenty of different things they can do. Assisting as a coach for youth sports, being a Big Brother/Big Sister, etc. EVERYONE can choose SOMETHING that will make them feel like they are giving back in a positive way.
As for the other part of your comment, what then is a parent responsible for teaching their kids anymore? All too often, we hear parents complain that school didnt teach their kid this, that, or the other thing. YOU can teach your kid how to balance a checkbook when you're doing your own. YOU can teach a kid how credit works. YOU can teach your kid how to pay bills. Really. Show some bit of responsibility with the child you chose to have.
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Ummm, excuse me..... apparently you did not read what I said. I DID teach those things to my kids, but there are plenty of kids whose parents don't teach them. As far as the schools teaching the basics of Budgeting 101, the schools USED to teach this, even way back in the day when I went, so to try and turn it around and tell me I need to show responsibility is off base. Nice try though....
jesse

Novato, CA

#20 Aug 18, 2010
forced volunteerism, zeig heil, my brown shirt brothers and sisters

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