Cuomo to host hearings today on double-dipping

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Chris

West Islip, NY

#1 May 22, 2008
Go get 'em Andrew!
Had Enough

Bronx, NY

#2 May 22, 2008
The public cannot address this vaunted committee? This will be another horse & pony show. Count on it! I'll go and report back here.
Tommy D of Massapequa

New York, NY

#3 May 22, 2008
Yikes!
Double dipping + Pension Lawyers + Retire/Rehire
Little wonder that LI is so expensive. Young and old don't have a chance. In summary this trio of legal garbage increases our taxes, smells of fraud and blocks younger people from having a chance to be hired.
Unreal
Not Needed

Bayonne, NJ

#4 May 22, 2008
Hearings are a waste of time and taxpayer money. Cuomo should just investigate cases, gather evidence of malfeasance, prosecute the white-collar perps, and get convictions. Then, the courts should mete out stiff penalties - fines and prison time - and the media should relentlessly cover the entire process. This will scare away the faint of heart from trying to scam the system and it will leave only the hard core criminals to deal with in the future.
shameless-li

Denver, CO

#5 May 22, 2008
Tommy D of Massapequa wrote:
Yikes!
Double dipping + Pension Lawyers + Retire/Rehire
Little wonder that LI is so expensive. Young and old don't have a chance. In summary this trio of legal garbage increases our taxes, smells of fraud and blocks younger people from having a chance to be hired.
Unreal
agreed.
they should be back MANDATORY retirement at age 65 across the board for all businesses, companies, and schools, etc...get your gold watch and get out, let the younger generation have the opportunity to get a decent job
wray

Flushing, NY

#6 May 22, 2008
I have a question: why are these pensions so high??

In industry you have to work 40 years to get a pension of 50% of your salary.

Some of these people are getting more in their pension that their sasary was.
huh

Queens Village, NY

#7 May 22, 2008
The Pensions are so high because the SYSTEM is broke and no one has the balls to fix it becaues God forbid you ruffle the feathers of the UNION leaders
treciama

Middletown, DE

#8 May 22, 2008
In the real world, a manager is required to ensure good candidates to step in as needed for any reason, such as retirement, death, disbility, etc. A manager who does not develop/train such candidates is------ DEMOTED or FIRED.

In the LI school system, managers looking to scam the taxpayers make sure to maximize their ability to claim there's no possible human being to fill their shoes. A manager who fails to provide for adequate succession in the never-never land of LI schools is------ PAID TWICE!!

Anyone see a problem with this?
taxpayer

Bronx, NY

#9 May 22, 2008
Is Andy Cuomo going to explain why his agency has more people working on waivers that any other government agency? Or is this going to be "do as I say not as I do"
Because Wray

Bayonne, NJ

#10 May 22, 2008
wray wrote:
I have a question: why are these pensions so high??
In industry you have to work 40 years to get a pension of 50% of your salary.
Some of these people are getting more in their pension that their sasary was.
Public employees form a hardcore group of voters who vote for status quo politicians and other elected officials who then insure that the status quo is maintained.

This is similar to union employees in the private sector who vote as a bloc for democratic candidates who they believe represent their interests even though many of these same union members think like republicans.
treciama

Middletown, DE

#11 May 22, 2008
Because Wray wrote:
<quoted text>
Public employees form a hardcore group of voters who vote for status quo politicians and other elected officials who then insure that the status quo is maintained.
This is similar to union employees in the private sector who vote as a bloc for democratic candidates who they believe represent their interests even though many of these same union members think like republicans.
Yup. There it is.

What's it gonna take for the non-bloc aligned taxpayers to take action and demand reform?
joe

Brooklyn, NY

#12 May 22, 2008
easy solution..when you go back to work, pension stops till you "retire" again.......pretty obvious solution
BILL

United States

#14 May 22, 2008
huh wrote:
The Pensions are so high because the SYSTEM is broke and no one has the balls to fix it becaues God forbid you ruffle the feathers of the UNION leaders
What an idiotic statement to make seeing that these individuals are not part of the rank and file
Tax Bleeder

New York, NY

#15 May 22, 2008
Andrew please look into why most civil service jobs in school districts pay more sometimes much more than a civil servant who works for the state or county goverment for exactly the same job title. It hurts all of us except the ones that work at the schools.
Cathy

New York, NY

#16 May 22, 2008
The state has to stop giving these exemptions or require additional information to be provide such as how many people have applied for the job and for the school district to explain why no one else is qualified. Once better checks and balances are in place I am sure many of these retirees would be rejected.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#17 May 22, 2008
Because Wray wrote:
<quoted text>
Public employees form a hardcore group of voters who vote for status quo politicians and other elected officials who then insure that the status quo is maintained.
This is similar to union employees in the private sector who vote as a bloc for democratic candidates who they believe represent their interests even though many of these same union members think like republicans.
Pfluger the Union Monkey agrees completely. You need a mandatory tax and spending cap in NY. Google "Taxpayer Bill of Rights." Take the power out of the hands of the politicians, who ONLY represent union interests, but make cooing noises to taxpayers to gain higher office (Cuomo) or stay in lifetime elected political office (Suozzi).
Diana

Queens Village, NY

#18 May 22, 2008
treciama wrote:
In the real world, a manager is required to ensure good candidates to step in as needed for any reason, such as retirement, death, disbility, etc. A manager who does not develop/train such candidates is------ DEMOTED or FIRED.
In the LI school system, managers looking to scam the taxpayers make sure to maximize their ability to claim there's no possible human being to fill their shoes. A manager who fails to provide for adequate succession in the never-never land of LI schools is------ PAID TWICE!!
Anyone see a problem with this?
I agree. They say that there is one qualified, yet don't give others a chance to qualify. I am sure there are many people who can do what they do, maybe even better. What is going to happen when all these "retirees" drop dead? If we believe them, then we will be left with a gigantic void to fill with no one with experience to fill it.
Diana

Queens Village, NY

#19 May 22, 2008
Sorry, first line should read "They say that there is no one..."

Since: May 08

hicksville

#20 May 22, 2008
Cathy wrote:
The state has to stop giving these exemptions or require additional information to be provide such as how many people have applied for the job and for the school district to explain why no one else is qualified. Once better checks and balances are in place I am sure many of these retirees would be rejected.
School districts
are required to provide information
re the extent of their search for
a candidate, the # of applicants they
had, the reasons why no one was chosen from a particular pool of applicants, etc. when applying for
a waiver--I would imagine that those
reviewing the waivers would have some
discretionary decision making powers, but districts that have had
the same person on a waiver for more
than two years should be further
investigated.
Nonsense

Kings Park, NY

#21 May 22, 2008
Cathy wrote:
The state has to stop giving these exemptions or require additional information to be provide such as how many people have applied for the job and for the school district to explain why no one else is qualified. Once better checks and balances are in place I am sure many of these retirees would be rejected.
Obviously, the most qualified candidates with the most experience are the retirees. Nothing illegal is going on here! This practice is perfectly legal, and acceptable under current law. In fact, local school districts save money by hiring retirees because they do not have to pay health insurance or retirement benefits! If people are outraged over this practice, then work to change the retirement laws! Maybe a good start would be for the police and firemen, who retire after 20 years at half pay with full benefits! That's where most of our hard earned tax money is wasted!!

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