Stillwater man found not guilty of ki...

Stillwater man found not guilty of killing grandfather by reason of mental illness

There are 16 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Apr 4, 2011, titled Stillwater man found not guilty of killing grandfather by reason of mental illness. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

From the start, the acts seemed those of a tormented soul. A Ramsey County judge made it official Monday: Mental illness drove Timothy Novak of Stillwater to choke and stab his grandfather to death last summer in Roseville.

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Minn

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Apr 5, 2011
What the hell was he doing out running around if he was that mentally ill
Momof3

Plymouth, MN

#5 Apr 5, 2011
"A judge will determine whether Novak is mentally ill and dangerous"?? Ah, I think he has already proved that case!! He doesn't need a judge for that. He needs to be off the streets!
HTP

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Apr 5, 2011
Defense attorney Earl Gray. Why am I not surprised?
Mama

Waite Park, MN

#8 Apr 5, 2011
Mental Illness is a disease that goes untreated or under-treated far too often. I hope all the people in this story get the help they need for the rest of their lives.
Amy

Grand Forks, ND

#9 Apr 5, 2011
Yes "Gcracker," my grandfather would agree with the verdict. He took Tim in and tried to get him the help he needed, after the State of MN failed him and failed our family. My grandfather raised all of us to never turn our backs on someone that needs help, and our family stands by Tim.
Everyone has an opinion, and the right to state it. But if I have learned anything over the last year of this mess, it's that you should NEVER judge another person. Do you think the newspaper really reports the full story?!
Mental illness is a disease affecting millions of people. How scary is that? There are many more people walking around in this world that aren't getting the help they need.
stpaul mn

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Apr 5, 2011
Ajudge will determine if he is dangerous? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
RDB

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Apr 5, 2011
Amy wrote:
Yes "Gcracker," my grandfather would agree with the verdict. He took Tim in and tried to get him the help he needed, after the State of MN failed him and failed our family. My grandfather raised all of us to never turn our backs on someone that needs help, and our family stands by Tim.
Everyone has an opinion, and the right to state it. But if I have learned anything over the last year of this mess, it's that you should NEVER judge another person. Do you think the newspaper really reports the full story?!
Mental illness is a disease affecting millions of people. How scary is that? There are many more people walking around in this world that aren't getting the help they need.
Well said my dear. I am so happy that your family can continue on with your closure of this.-BB
Gardy

Byron, MN

#13 Apr 5, 2011
The verdict doesn't mean he will go free. It means all of us will spend a lot more money for his incarceration to pay for his treatment. Since none of us will ever want him to be out, the judge should have saved us the money and sent him to prison. Also, I believe the judge misapplied the standard for insanity. The standard is not that being insane caused them to commit the crime, but that being insane caused them to not understand the wrongfulness of the crime. In this case, he attempted to cover-up the crime to dispose of the body AND admitted remorse. He clearly knew it was wrong and therefore meet the standard for innocence due to insanity. The judge just cost taxpayers at least an extra $2 million over this guy's lifetime.
Gardy

Byron, MN

#14 Apr 5, 2011
Correction: He clearly knew it was wrong and therefore DID NOT meet the standard for innocence due to insanity.
wow

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Apr 5, 2011
Amy wrote:
Yes "Gcracker," my grandfather would agree with the verdict. He took Tim in and tried to get him the help he needed, after the State of MN failed him and failed our family. My grandfather raised all of us to never turn our backs on someone that needs help, and our family stands by Tim.
Everyone has an opinion, and the right to state it. But if I have learned anything over the last year of this mess, it's that you should NEVER judge another person. Do you think the newspaper really reports the full story?!
Mental illness is a disease affecting millions of people. How scary is that? There are many more people walking around in this world that aren't getting the help they need.
So the state of Minnesota "failed" your family? Well, I agree with you on this much: there are a lot of people walking around (and sitting in prison/jail cells) with untreated mental illness. Does this mean that they all will get the "insanity" verdict afforded your family member? The statistics showing the disproportionate number of minorities in the prison system would suggest your family member got the "white" version of justice in this country. Just hope he gets locked up in an appropriate facility for the rest of his life because he is a murderer regardless of his state of mind at the time of the act. There are innocent (wrongly convicted) people serving time/life sentences. We know for sure Tim killed your grandfather--he should be locked up for the rest of his life under forced medication. Schizophrenia is a treatable illness with proper medication. Sorry for your loss, but that's what happens when Republicans run the state. People fall through the cracks. North Dakota is one of the worse Republican states in the country.
John Q

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Apr 5, 2011
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
So the state of Minnesota "failed" your family? Well, I agree with you on this much: there are a lot of people walking around (and sitting in prison/jail cells) with untreated mental illness. Does this mean that they all will get the "insanity" verdict afforded your family member? The statistics showing the disproportionate number of minorities in the prison system would suggest your family member got the "white" version of justice in this country. Just hope he gets locked up in an appropriate facility for the rest of his life because he is a murderer regardless of his state of mind at the time of the act. There are innocent (wrongly convicted) people serving time/life sentences. We know for sure Tim killed your grandfather--he should be locked up for the rest of his life under forced medication. Schizophrenia is a treatable illness with proper medication. Sorry for your loss, but that's what happens when Republicans run the state. People fall through the cracks. North Dakota is one of the worse Republican states in the country.
So, you are saying that if a Democrat was running the state of MN(which is where this happened, not NoDak) this wouldn't have happened? You are a fool and you points lose all validity when you make such a ridiculous statement.
Mama

Waite Park, MN

#19 Apr 5, 2011
Gardy wrote:
The verdict doesn't mean he will go free. It means all of us will spend a lot more money for his incarceration to pay for his treatment. Since none of us will ever want him to be out, the judge should have saved us the money and sent him to prison. Also, I believe the judge misapplied the standard for insanity. The standard is not that being insane caused them to commit the crime, but that being insane caused them to not understand the wrongfulness of the crime. In this case, he attempted to cover-up the crime to dispose of the body AND admitted remorse. He clearly knew it was wrong and therefore meet the standard for innocence due to insanity. The judge just cost taxpayers at least an extra $2 million over this guy's lifetime.
How much does it cost taxpayers for a person to spend a lifetime in prison??? Probably more. Just saying...
Mama

Waite Park, MN

#20 Apr 5, 2011
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
So the state of Minnesota "failed" your family? Well, I agree with you on this much: there are a lot of people walking around (and sitting in prison/jail cells) with untreated mental illness. Does this mean that they all will get the "insanity" verdict afforded your family member? The statistics showing the disproportionate number of minorities in the prison system would suggest your family member got the "white" version of justice in this country. Just hope he gets locked up in an appropriate facility for the rest of his life because he is a murderer regardless of his state of mind at the time of the act. There are innocent (wrongly convicted) people serving time/life sentences. We know for sure Tim killed your grandfather--he should be locked up for the rest of his life under forced medication. Schizophrenia is a treatable illness with proper medication. Sorry for your loss, but that's what happens when Republicans run the state. People fall through the cracks. North Dakota is one of the worse Republican states in the country.
What's your definition of treatable Schizophrenia? Just because someone is on medication does not all of a sudden make them cured.
wow

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Apr 5, 2011
Mama wrote:
<quoted text>
What's your definition of treatable Schizophrenia? Just because someone is on medication does not all of a sudden make them cured.
I've known a lot of schizophrenics who have NEVER killed anyone (medicated or unmedicated). That killing thing is in that guy's nature (and probably yours too). All that hunting and fishing...
Thrall

Pell City, AL

#22 Apr 5, 2011
I say, if he cannot tell the difference between right and wrong- he won't know that he's being put to death.
need a roommate

United States

#23 Apr 5, 2011
I wonder when I could move into his house, that newly vacant room!

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