Aid to cities worth a new consensus

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Decisions made four decades ago joined Minnesota's state and local governments in a pact of mutual assistance.
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If you look at the state records online, you can see that Duluth, Minneapolis and St. Paul are well above average in the per capita LGA, while Rochester is actually below the mean. Perhaps this also enters into the decision
An American

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While the initial so called miracle was well intended, the consequences have been uncontrolled liberal unaccountable spending as a result of being addicted to the financial 'heroin' called LGA. End it and put city spending in the hands of local voters after they figure out once and for all how our money is wasted. End the whole thing.
Sideshow Bob

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The cities have a case to make, particularly when House Republican leaders went out of their way to exclude the fourth "first-class" city, Rochester, from LGA pain. Rochester happens to be the only one of the four with a majority of Republican legislators. The counterweight of Democratic-Farmer-Labor Gov. Mark Dayton should iron out these problems.

Umm......Rochester got $5 million in 2010, with 100,000 people. Duluth got $27 million, with 80,000 people. Hmm......I wonder why it has been proposed that Duluth get a cut in LGA, while Rochester's LGA is proposed to remain the same.......Hmmmm.......I don't get it........it must be because Duluth is a DFL city and Rochester is a Republican city, yeah, that's it....
The Analyst

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LGA is a terrible idea.

It TAKES money away from responsible communities and rewards irresponsible communities.

It is income redistribution.

If you believe our comrades in the Politburo are entitled to your money and are entitled to spend it as THEY see fit, then I invite you to study communism and find out why central planning of an economy is always doomed to failure.
LeDumbo

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Sideshow Bob wrote:
The cities have a case to make, particularly when House Republican leaders went out of their way to exclude the fourth "first-class" city, Rochester, from LGA pain. Rochester happens to be the only one of the four with a majority of Republican legislators. The counterweight of Democratic-Farmer-Labor Gov. Mark Dayton should iron out these problems.
Umm......Rochester got $5 million in 2010, with 100,000 people. Duluth got $27 million, with 80,000 people. Hmm......I wonder why it has been proposed that Duluth get a cut in LGA, while Rochester's LGA is proposed to remain the same.......Hmmmm.......I don't get it........it must be because Duluth is a DFL city and Rochester is a Republican city, yeah, that's it....
That isn't it at all. Duluth, Minneapolis, and St Paul are being punished by not being allowed to retain favored city status over all others. Don't you and all the others in this state know that just living in Minneapolis, St Paul, or Duluth makes you a better person and far superior to the other 85% of the residents of this state?
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Why does St paul need about 3 times the amount of money per person to run the city compared to some burbs?
LeDumbo

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Teadrinker wrote:
Why does St paul need about 3 times the amount of money per person to run the city compared to some burbs?
3 times? Most suburbs get $0 in LGA, and yet their property taxes are less than those charged in St Paul and Minneapolis. Sounds like misallocate resources in those cities to me.

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Since: Oct 09

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LGA is a shell game that can no longer be afforded.

If taxes are to be collected and spent, it is best to do so at the level of government that has the need for the money. That means local taxes need to be ID'd as such, and not part of some under the table payment by the State to the locals.
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Apr 22, 2011
 
The problem is that Mpls and St Paul turn away tax paying businesses for many specious reasons. The LGA should be tied to accepting tax paying businesses, if the city puts up roadblocks their LGA should be cut.
No St Paul at LGA teat

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North Saint Paul has been sucking LGA for a long time.

One story sticks out in the town. They got so much LGA money that they could build a $13,000,000 Community Center. The City Manager said "the money was there to spend so we used it". So now with LGA reductions they figured out they didn't have enough money to operate the Community Center.

So what did North Saint Paul do, sell it to a private company? NO NO NO they gave it to Maplewood to run. So the property is still not on the tax roles.

That is an obvious reason why North Saint Paul taxes are 30% higher than Oakdale and 20% higher than Maplewood.

IMHO ALL LGA should be eliminated! All these towns do is waste it, OH NO they need it for the COPs, BS they don't use it for COPs.

In fact a North Saint Paul COP was shot and killed in the line of duty, RIP Rick! Rick didn't have a backup officer so he had to rely on a Maplewood COP for backup and that didn't work out to well.
Comrade Chrissy

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Teadrinker wrote:
Why does St paul need about 3 times the amount of money per person to run the city compared to some burbs?
"sanctuary cities" are expensive.

providing all that free cheeze to illegal aliens don't come cheap
Sideshow Bob

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IrishMN wrote:
LGA is a shell game that can no longer be afforded.
If taxes are to be collected and spent, it is best to do so at the level of government that has the need for the money. That means local taxes need to be ID'd as such, and not part of some under the table payment by the State to the locals.
LGA used in large metro areas is a political pay back. It was never intended to be used in the way it currently is.
PO-d

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Apr 22, 2011
 
Cities are the work of the Devil.
No New Taxes For Stadium

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No money for kids, poor & elderly but plenty of money for Vikes stadium

by: The Big E
Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 18:00:00 PM CDT

While the Republicans who control the Minnesota Legislature believe we are in a budget crisis so huge that we cannot adequately fund education as well as social programs for the poor, elderly and mentally ill, they're willing to take care of billionaire Zygi Wilf and build him a new Vikings stadium.
Republicans refuse to raise taxes on the wealthiest Minnesotans to pay for our kids education and the social programs to protect the elderly, mentally ill and poor.

Then they introduce a stadium bill that raises taxes. Taxpayers would be on the hook for $700,000,000 to $900,000,000.

Who benefits? Zygi Wilf! He gets all the revenue from the box seats, concessions from all events at the stadium and yet we can't adequately educate our kids and care for the neediest amongst us.

How do these people cope with the cognitive dissonance?

Do y'all remember what they promised back in January? They said their focus would be on creating jobs and balancing the states budget.

Where are all the jobs your magical job creators have created? Where is your budget plan that balances? Republicans are trying to destroy what made Minnesota great. If they get their way, we'll soon be like Mississippi.
PO-d

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Apr 22, 2011
 
We don't just need one stadium, we need at least three!
Yosh

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Apr 23, 2011
 
There are at least two good reasons for giving LGA funds to the central cities.

First, the central cities have many venues that exist for the benefit of all in the area. In St. Paul, for example, there are numerous colleges, churches, regional parks, and government buildings, all of which are exempt from property taxes and use city resources.

Second, most suburbs have policies that force the poorest and most needy citizens into the central cities. I doubt if Eden Prairie or North Oaks spend much of their property tax dollars supporting their Somali and Hmong population.

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Yosh wrote:
There are at least two good reasons for giving LGA funds to the central cities.
First, the central cities have many venues that exist for the benefit of all in the area. In St. Paul, for example, there are numerous colleges, churches, regional parks, and government buildings, all of which are exempt from property taxes and use city resources.
Second, most suburbs have policies that force the poorest and most needy citizens into the central cities. I doubt if Eden Prairie or North Oaks spend much of their property tax dollars supporting their Somali and Hmong population.
Ever heard of the Livable Communities Act? Read up on it sometime, then come back and make your silly comments.

LGA is dead. That is a good thing for all Minnesota citizens.
Dreaded Suburbanite

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If the City officials in St. Paul and the tolerant residents didn't keep hauling in problem people from all over the world, it could pay its own bills.

Until I have a say in St. Paul's immigration policies, don't expect me to cover the City's losses. It's bad enough that I have to pay so much into the State welfare system that St. Paul is so dependent on.

Time to get real. In 20 years, St. Paul will be another Detroit or Memphis. Show me otherwise.
Dreaded Suburbanite

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Yosh wrote:
There are at least two good reasons for giving LGA funds to the central cities.
First, the central cities have many venues that exist for the benefit of all in the area. In St. Paul, for example, there are numerous colleges, churches, regional parks, and government buildings, all of which are exempt from property taxes and use city resources.
Second, most suburbs have policies that force the poorest and most needy citizens into the central cities. I doubt if Eden Prairie or North Oaks spend much of their property tax dollars supporting their Somali and Hmong population.
And why should the residents of North Oaks or Eden Prairie (which is a mecca for Somalis in case the writer doesn't keep up with the facts) pay for the importation of uneducated immigrants, who used to live in dirt floored huts, but now are promised full access to everything created by Americans. Its not a matter of racism. It is a matter of 3 billion people in the world who keep on procreating with no capability to taking care of their own and the lucky lottery winners who bring their 5 kids to the United States, at no cost, and then have 5 more kids and expect a lifetime free ride. Wake up St. Paul. Don't expect other people to write you out a check. Remember, you are the City that "thrives" on cultural diversity, the same diversity that ends up with stolen vehicles, rapes, murders, unshoveled sidewalks, undisciplined children and high school dropouts. For every 1 good citizen, there are 9 lemons. This is a very high price to pay. Don't expect others to cough up for your problems.
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Daytonís balanced approach vs the MNGOPís demagoguery

There are two budget proposals on the table in Saint Paul: Governor Mark Daytonís, and the GOP legislatureís. There are many differences between the two, but perhaps the most important is the degree of seriousness with which they approach our deficit problem.

While Governor Dayton did his best to find a good balance of spending cuts and taxes on the richest Minnesotans, the GOP stuck dogmatically to their all-cuts budget. Never mind that it doesnít balance, never mind that it costs tens of thousands of jobs, and never mind that it targets the poor while protecting the richest. The Republicans didnít let any of that stop them from passing their extreme right-wing policies.

When the legislature reconvenes after a short recess, you can expect Republicans to call on Mark Dayton to compromise. But what compromises are they willing to offer? Dayton has already met them part way by finding a mix of tax increase on the rich and spending cuts. The MNGOP, as usual, hasnít budged an inch.

Itís not just their policies that are unserious. Their negotiating tactics also show that theyíre more committed to scoring points than balancing the budget. For example, Deputy Senate Majority Leader Geoff Michel (R-Edina) recently criticized the Governor for ďdrawing lines in the sand,Ē demonstrating either an impressive lack of self-awareness or an equally-impressive double standard.

The MNGOP just isnít a serious negotiating partner. That needs to change sometime soon if there is going to be any chance of passing a balanced budget. Hopefully a number of vetoes will help to speed that process along.

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