Montebello Pension Reform
Theolona Ranger

United States

#123 Jun 23, 2012
settle down and start a petition drive for an initive for a sales tax increase or to increase the property tax.

Explain to the taxpayers why the public employees should more than they've paid for, than the City has alrady paid for.

Be sure to mention those that are getting more retirement than they ever made while employeed.

With several other tax increases on the November ballot perhaps you can get on the big band wageon.
Theolona Ranger

United States

#124 Jun 23, 2012
http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2091479...

Our View: Keep ACE funds in Measure R Whittier News
Perhaps you would rather fund the "full lowering" of the Railroad?

WHEN Los Angeles County's Measure R proposed raising the regional sales tax by half a percentage point to fund transit projects, we had reservations for two good reasons: Sales taxes, as noted Thursday, are a lousy way to raise government money on the backs of the poor, and the San Gabriel Valley and Whittier regions were almost certain to get schnookered by city of Los Angeles sharpies

Our View: Sales-tax push a terrible idea
Jerry Brown wants to raise the Sales tax in November
http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2090029...

THE sales tax in the state of California is 7.25 percent.

No it's not, you say - I pay a lot more than that! You do indeed, and that's because of add-ons from Los Angeles County, and Metro, and sometimes even from the city in which you live.

Read more: http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2090029...
Slash

Cerritos, CA

#125 Jun 23, 2012
What
ORG

Pacoima, CA

#126 Jun 23, 2012
Nice Job TR and TT divert the discussion away from the facts and try to hide what has been a long standing practice, "Robbing yet another restricted fund to pay the bills" The Council learnd in 1996-97 that the Tranisit Employee's Retirement fund was over funded!(or so they thought) They then took money out to ballence the budget just prior to measure V in 1997. Then in 1998 they cut the MPD's budget by 1.2mil. The Councils over the last 25 years have not increased the measure A City Employees Retirement parcel tax, but cut it by 75%.(can you say mismanagement in order to get re/elected) They have regularly raided these funds to "add to the general fund" and hide the deficit spending. This is in large part or fully why the retirement finds are out of wack! Plus, yes the Employees have been taken for a ride on the 9% saving the general fund money! Another misrepresentation of the facts. ORG
settle down

United States

#127 Jun 23, 2012
Theolona Ranger wrote:
settle down and start a petition drive for an initive for a sales tax increase or to increase the property tax.
Explain to the taxpayers why the public employees should more than they've paid for, than the City has alrady paid for.
Be sure to mention those that are getting more retirement than they ever made while employeed.
With several other tax increases on the November ballot perhaps you can get on the big band wageon.
You are starting to sound like trash bag. Is it the employees fault that the city screwed up? Keep in mind that many got into the business of putting their life on the line kowing that in the end they will be rewrded with a good retirement and comfortable life that they gave up to serve ungreatful pukes like you. Like I have told trash digger before. If you don't like it change your career. Otherwise go to bed at night while the men and women are awake protecting your butt. The city screwed up. That is the bottom line. Everyone is suffering. Times are hard and I get that. But this city coul have avoided all of this if they taxed the good people the appropriate amount. Now if they try to do that it will be a shock. Can't win. Guess we should start over.
Theolona Ranger

United States

#128 Jun 24, 2012
Sorry about that
MOst of the problem goes to the Dot-Com boom that was to go on forever
Grey Davis giving big increases in Pensions
and
CalPers overestimating fund earnings and underestimating longevity
Unfunded so called "Cost of living" increases
BTW
how do we fund unmarried "partners"
tooth fairy?
Theolona Ranger

United States

#129 Jun 24, 2012
Bloomberg's David Crane explains how 100 percent of education’s share of the tax increase proposed by Governor Jerry Brown will go to pensions instead of classrooms.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-23/new-...
Theolona Ranger

United States

#130 Jun 24, 2012
OPINION: The Totalitarian Ethics of California’s Public Sector Unions

Continuing his series on union efforts to quash pension reform, Steven Greenhut's article for Reason reveals that public unions in San Diego have petitioned the Public Employment Relations Board to place an injunction against the Comprehensive Pension Reform measure,
claiming that allowing the initiative on the ballot amounted to an unfair labor practice

http://www.hjta.org/news/opinion-totalitarian...
Theolona Ranger

United States

#131 Jun 24, 2012
OPINION: Steven Greenhut: Harris distorts democracy to aid unions

Steven Greenhut's piece for the Orange County Register accusing California Attorney General Kamala Harris of distorting the official descriptions of the two ballot initiatives submitted by California Pension Reform that would rein in the unsustainable costs of the state's pension system.

http://www.hjta.org/news/opinion-steven-green...
Theolona Ranger

United States

#132 Jun 24, 2012
NEWS: SIEPR report finds Calif. pensions underfunded

The Standford Daily reports that a recent study published by the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research (SIEPR) estimated that the state of California has underfunded public pensions anywhere from $498 billion to $142.6 billion, depending on assumed rates of return on investments.

http://www.hjta.org/news/news-siepr-report-fi...
Trash talk

United States

#133 Jun 25, 2012
setle down wrote
"Settle down trash mouth. I have told you time and time again. If you want a better pension step up to the plate and be a hero not a zero. "
apology accepted- actually well written
Do you author the signs and slogans used at demonstrations?
Trash talk

United States

#134 Jun 25, 2012
settle down wrote
"You are starting to sound like trash bag. Is it the employees fault that the city screwed up"

Absolutely the employees fault (or their association bargaining for them).
It took two to tango
Let's all support those independent Union backed City Council candidates.

settldown continues
"The city screwed up. That is the bottom line. Everyone is suffering. Times are hard and I get that. But this city coul have avoided all of this if they taxed the good people the appropriate amount."

Actually I think theolona is right.
The State and Calpers Screwed up
Given Calpers assumptions the City made the payments they wre required to make.
THe big debt comes from Calpers underestimating the amount of benefits to be paid (TR called it longevity) and the assumption of earnings- which will not be made up anytime soon
Expect Calpers to bill the City's real soon now.
That article TR posted about all of Jerrys tax "for the schools" shows that the schools will have to use moost of it to make up their pension shortfall.
BUt how to make up CALPERS?
perhapos settle down is right
time to wipe the slate cleen and start over.
Trash talk

United States

#135 Jun 25, 2012
Here is an article supporting my comment on Teachers pension I posted above

NEWS: Calif. teacher pension shortfall rises to $65B
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-04/D9U29J...
April 11, 2012
Business Week reports the unfunded liability for California's teacher pension fund has risen to $64.5 billion, an amount that is $8.5 billion higher than a year ago.

read along with this one TR posted above, an article showing how the teachers retirtemet will be the only ones to benefit from Jerry's November tax increase-

Bloomberg's David Crane explains how 100 percent of education’s share of the tax increase proposed by Governor Jerry Brown will go to pensions instead of classrooms.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-23/new-...
Trash talk

United States

#136 Jun 26, 2012
Perhaps the tide is turning on the Teachers' unions
stranglehold on California

http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2093121...

The forces aligned against school reform suffered a loss this month when a judge ruled that of course student test scores must be a factor in evaluating the performance of public school teachers.
OK, perhaps the "of course" is inferred. But one can imagine Superior Court Judge James Chalfant rolling his eyes at the absurdity of having to rule on what is essentially common sense. That is the crazy place that public education has reached in the 21st century - a world in which teachers are protected to the detriment of students, in which districts are unable to judge teachers on whether they are actually getting results.

The ruling, which stemmed from a lawsuit by the Sacramento-based education reform group EdVoice, is a victory not just for students in Southern California's largest district, Los Angeles Unified, which was the focus of the lawsuit, but for students across the state.

The ruling frees all California school districts to use student achievement for teacher evaluations. In fact, it compels them to do so.
In his 25-page tentative ruling, the judge said a 1999 state law - the Stull Act - expressly requires that test scores be a factor in the evaluation of teachers.
Not to do so breaks the law.

Time for no more promotions based only on age or "time in grade"
Merit raises only
ex montebello firefighter

Phoenix, AZ

#137 Jun 26, 2012
Trash talk wrote:
Perhaps the tide is turning on the Teachers' unions
stranglehold on California

http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2093121...

The forces aligned against school reform suffered a loss this month when a judge ruled that of course student test scores must be a factor in evaluating the performance of public school teachers.
OK, perhaps the "of course" is inferred. But one can imagine Superior Court Judge James Chalfant rolling his eyes at the absurdity of having to rule on what is essentially common sense. That is the crazy place that public education has reached in the 21st century - a world in which teachers are protected to the detriment of students, in which districts are unable to judge teachers on whether they are actually getting results.

The ruling, which stemmed from a lawsuit by the Sacramento-based education reform group EdVoice, is a victory not just for students in Southern California's largest district, Los Angeles Unified, which was the focus of the lawsuit, but for students across the state.

The ruling frees all California school districts to use student achievement for teacher evaluations. In fact, it compels them to do so.
In his 25-page tentative ruling, the judge said a 1999 state law - the Stull Act - expressly requires that test scores be a factor in the evaluation of teachers.
Not to do so breaks the law.

Time for no more promotions based only on age or "time in grade"
Merit raises only
if you are implying that such is the case in the public safety arena, you are 1000% wrong, as usual. Refer to any municipal human resource website for public sector promotional requirements.
Trash talk

United States

#138 Jun 26, 2012
Perhaps since Ex Montebello's only comment is to try and change the subject here is the erst of the article for mim to chue

If this sounds obvious, consider that the LAUSD doesn't currently use student test scores to judge teachers.
That shows you the inordinate power of the teachers union.

Worse still, even when the district is able to identify incompetent - or possibly even dangerous teachers - it is nigh impossible to fire them.

Perhaps it will take another lawsuit to fix that problem.

The next step is for districts and teachers unions to figure out how to use student test scores in a way that helps teachers improve instead of punishing them.

L.A. Superintendent John Deasy, who has supported the use of test scores in teacher evaluations all along, must stand firm against United Teachers Los Angeles, which will try to water down whatever system for evaluation the district comes up with. The district has been working toward this already, trying out a pilot program that uses test scores to help teachers improve their instruction.

However, while UTLA President Warren Fletcher said that "we will not be a part of an evaluation process that will deform instruction."
That sounds like a signal that this could be a bitter fight.

It's a fight, though, that is worth fighting and worth winning for those who see the common sense in judging teachers in part by their results.

Read more: http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2093121...
ex montebello firefighter

Corona, CA

#139 Jun 26, 2012
Trash talk wrote:
Perhaps since Ex Montebello's only comment is to try and change the subject here is the erst of the article for mim to chue

If this sounds obvious, consider that the LAUSD doesn't currently use student test scores to judge teachers.
That shows you the inordinate power of the teachers union.

Worse still, even when the district is able to identify incompetent - or possibly even dangerous teachers - it is nigh impossible to fire them.

Perhaps it will take another lawsuit to fix that problem.

The next step is for districts and teachers unions to figure out how to use student test scores in a way that helps teachers improve instead of punishing them.

L.A. Superintendent John Deasy, who has supported the use of test scores in teacher evaluations all along, must stand firm against United Teachers Los Angeles, which will try to water down whatever system for evaluation the district comes up with. The district has been working toward this already, trying out a pilot program that uses test scores to help teachers improve their instruction.

However, while UTLA President Warren Fletcher said that "we will not be a part of an evaluation process that will deform instruction."
That sounds like a signal that this could be a bitter fight.

It's a fight, though, that is worth fighting and worth winning for those who see the common sense in judging teachers in part by their results.

Read more: http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_2093121...
Perhaps, you should read your own comment history... You have accused the firefighters of using seniority to advance. Once again, exposing you for the liar that you are....
Trash talk

United States

#140 Jun 26, 2012
http://www.calbuzz.com/2012/06/20749/
Not since the disco era, when a young Jerry Brown and a tone-deaf Legislature dithered away their chance to head off Prop. 13, has Sacramento seen such a spectacle of fatuous folly as legislative Democrats now display over pension reform.

Then, a too-little-too-late Sacto measure failed to cool simmering anger about property taxes, which boiled over with the landslide passage of 13.

Now, months after an older and wiser Governor Brown sent lawmakers an eminently sensible package of pension reforms, Democratic legislative leaders ho-hum that they’ll get around to it, maybe, eventually, sometime, as labor types insist retirement costs ain’t no big deal anyhow..

In taking this laid-back approach to retirement reform, the Democrats and unions foolishly disdain the concern of taxpayers, who perceive pensions as a visible symbol of pigs-at-the-trough government spending. In the process, their arrogance puts further at risk the 50-50 chance of voters passing Brown’s $8 billion tax increase initiative in November.
trash talk

United States

#141 Jun 27, 2012
more from calbyzz

The pension vote in San Jose, which is… a more liberal city than the state as a whole, is a very powerful signal that pension reform is an imperative. It’s really important.”

Tomorrow’s another day: Senate leader Darrell Steinberg, to his credit, keeps saying that he understands the importance of getting pension reform passed this year. But his actions: not so much.

Brown’s plan was banished months ago to a phony special committee. Republicans then wisely stole a march on Democrats by endorsing the governor’s package in toto; last week, the GOP tried to bring it up for a vote, another smart play, before the leadership played into their hands by crushing the effort.

“We’ve just witnessed my Democrat colleagues pass their half-baked budget based on closed door talks that shut out the public,” said GOP leader Bob Huff.“Now they seem intent on denying the public a vote on pensions. Closed door deals and back room negotiations are hardly the recipe for meaningful reform.”

Let’s be blunt. Democrats, whose political livelihoods have steadily and increasingly become dependent on union money since Jerry Brown in his first term signed the legislation that gave state employees collective bargaining rights, are terrified of moving an inch on pensions without permission and marching orders from the labor groups that finance their campaigns
trash talk

United States

#143 Jun 28, 2012
http://www.governing.com/news/local/ap-in-sto...

STOCKTON, Calif.— A red, white and blue sign declaring Stockton an "All-America City" still adorns City Hall, but the building's crumbling facade tells the real story of the community's recent fortunes.
(Sounds like Bill's description of Montebello)

The city's deficit now is $15 million —
a little more than 9 percent of its annual general fund — and that could double in the next fiscal year.

(How much does the MFD say the City has misspent?)

"We are hanging on by our fingertips," said Mayor Ann Johnston, who has overseen three fiscal emergency declarations and hopes to persuade the city's creditors to forgive some debt.

(Stockton City Manger Bob) Deis also faults the city's generous retirement plan, which includes free health care.
Stockton expects to spend $9 million on health benefits for retired workers next year, more than it pays for current employees.
The city's is carrying a $417 million unfunded liability for retiree health care over the next 30 years.

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