Illinois poised to go smoke-free

Dec 15, 2007 Full story: Beloit Daily News 48

“I believe the government should stay out of it”

Bar operators not happy, but pleased ban is statewide Six months after Beloit's smoking ban began its neighbors to the south will do the same Jan. via Beloit Daily News

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Louisville, KY

#46 Dec 16, 2007
MRab2 wrote:
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Most of the medical community are told that X causes Y and have no greater insight into the link between smoking and cancer than you or I. They certainly have no greater insight into the link between SHS and cancer.
However, a recent study suggests that smoking itself doesn't trigger cancer, but quitting suddenly DOES and accounts for 60% of the lung cancer cases out there. Compare that to 15% in non-smokers and 25% in smokers and long term ex-smokers it significantly changes things.
The scientific community has been united on many things that were ultimately proven wrong. 20 years the concensus was we were heading for the next ice age, now it's global warming.
This is what happens when your evidence is statistical. Statistics are, for the most part, crap. They're too easy to manipulate and governed by the unshakeable law of junk in = junk out.
I'm not suggesting smoking's healthy, not for a second, but I do believe the dangers have been considerably overstated.
The 400,000 Americans a year we hear every so often is based on epidemiological factors that we have no way of knowing are accurate.
just to get it straight, are you claiming that stopping smoking causes lung cancer.

Since: Nov 07

Louisville, KY

#47 Jan 2, 2008
Most of the posts here don't seem to relate to IL's ban - so, I will just say this:

I probably won't effect the bar business because I do all my drinking at home - can't afford a DUI.

As to IL restaurants, I'm done. The only IL restaurants I will visit will be those with drive-throughs - I intend to do all my eating at home too.

It's cheaper anyway, by not going to bars, restaurants and so forth, it will help me pay for the increases in gas, food and utilities.

Since: Nov 07

Louisville, KY

#48 Jan 2, 2008
MRab2 wrote:
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However, a recent study suggests that smoking itself doesn't trigger cancer, but quitting suddenly DOES and accounts for 60% of the lung cancer cases out there.
I would be very interested in that study, can you provide a link?
Tom

Baraboo, WI

#49 Jan 2, 2008
SongBookz wrote:
Most of the posts here don't seem to relate to IL's ban - so, I will just say this:
I probably won't effect the bar business because I do all my drinking at home - can't afford a DUI.
As to IL restaurants, I'm done. The only IL restaurants I will visit will be those with drive-throughs - I intend to do all my eating at home too.
The only thing with drive-thru is that they too are not thet healthy
It's cheaper anyway, by not going to bars, restaurants and so forth, it will help me pay for the increases in gas, food and utilities.
..........Drive-Through are not too healthy either
ssarassarra

Edgerton, WI

#50 Jan 20, 2008
I love the new smoke-free environment. I think it is hilarious that the people who smoke are so bent out of shape about it. I love it!!!! Anyone who is so stupid to still smoke after knowing the dangers of smoking and so weak they can't quit, let them buy their expensive coffin nails and we reap the benefits from the high taxes on the cigarettes and no longer have to smell their stink.

“Need a Tissue for Your Issue?”

Since: Jan 07

Chi-town South Sider

#51 Jan 22, 2008
Well, I don't agree that the government has a right to step in and ban smoking on private property. If I owned a diner, and it was MY property, I should have a right to allow smoking or not.
If non-smokers didn't want to come in, fine. I wouldn't care. But the choice would be mine.

The non-smokers want the taxes smokers pay, but don't want smokers around them.

Since: Dec 07

United States

#52 Jan 22, 2008
MRab2 wrote:
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However, a recent study suggests that smoking itself doesn't trigger cancer, but quitting suddenly DOES and accounts for 60% of the lung cancer cases out there.
My boyfirends mother won't quit smoking, because she has known several people who died a year later after quiting. She did cut down. I have never seen a link or anything with this info but it would be interesting to read if you have it.

“OWNERS CHOICE = PATRONS CHOICE”

Since: Jun 07

United States

#53 Jan 22, 2008
Dawnette wrote:
Well, I don't agree that the government has a right to step in and ban smoking on private property. If I owned a diner, and it was MY property, I should have a right to allow smoking or not.
If non-smokers didn't want to come in, fine. I wouldn't care. But the choice would be mine.
The non-smokers want the taxes smokers pay, but don't want smokers around them.
I think all the taxes collected from tobacco sales should be reserved for smoking related illnesses only........NO Exceptions.

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