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Shoplifter's family granted new wrongful death trial

There are 96 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Mar 26, 2008, titled Shoplifter's family granted new wrongful death trial. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

The family of a shoplifter who died while being restrained outside a Giant Eagle grocery store in Rootstown has been granted a new wrongful death trial.

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Bridget

Akron, OH

#93 Apr 2, 2008
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So we should all understand that if we see someone breaking the law, we should just stand by and let it happen. Not get involved. Don't watch out for your fellow citizen. Would that hold true if you saw someone attacking a child? Just stand there and watch and not get involved because I am not a police officer?
I am 5'2" and weigh 115 lbs. I am more useful dialing 911 rather than trying to stop someone from being attacked.

Also, I would not continue to choke a person once they stopped moving. Would you?
blank

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#94 Apr 2, 2008
Bridget wrote:
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I am 5'2" and weigh 115 lbs. I am more useful dialing 911 rather than trying to stop someone from being attacked.
Also, I would not continue to choke a person once they stopped moving. Would you?
Well, I can honestly say that if I saw someone being attacked, yes I would do whatever I needed to do to help them. If that means picking up a rock and hitting them in the head so be it. I will never be afraid to help someone because I would pray that if I am being attacked (or one of my children) someone would be HUMAN enough to help me or them.
Bridget

Akron, OH

#95 Apr 3, 2008
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Well, I can honestly say that if I saw someone being attacked, yes I would do whatever I needed to do to help them. If that means picking up a rock and hitting them in the head so be it. I will never be afraid to help someone because I would pray that if I am being attacked (or one of my children) someone would be HUMAN enough to help me or them.
I don't believe you know how you would react in a situation like that until it happens.

I had my purse snatched in Akron and tried to chase the thugs down the street but couldn't catch them. When I filed a police report, I was told to NEVER attempt to do that again since I didn't know if they had a gun, knife, etc.

Unfortunately, in the case that we are discussing, no one was HUMAN enough to value a life over $287 in groceries. I now know where you stand on the issue.

“Ain't Running Skeered”

Since: May 07

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#96 Apr 3, 2008
Throw Them All Out wrote:
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Then don't be in such a hurry dear. Because I KNOW it is not the law. It only harkins back to the days when boxers could be charged because champions' fists COULD (not mandatory) be considered deadly weapons.
And yes, I AM WRONG, you can be charged with hitting someone but usually as only misdemeanor assault, not felonious assault, which requires causing serious physical harm.
And you are not permitted to defend yourself by using more force to defend yourself than necessary, so lets avoid the self-defense routine. once he is down, he is down.
I know of what I speak.
Does anyone have any idea what the man was charged with that got into a fight at WaterWorks Park in Springfield, Lakemore area? He hit the guy with his fist and the guy died. He was brought up on charges, the media had a field day with it, mainly because it was at a child's baseball game.

“Ain't Running Skeered”

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#97 Apr 3, 2008
Bridget wrote:
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I am 5'2" and weigh 115 lbs. I am more useful dialing 911 rather than trying to stop someone from being attacked.
Also, I would not continue to choke a person once they stopped moving. Would you?
So you have an excuse to do nothing. Good for you, I'll watch for you on the news.

In the case of his struggle, you have several factors involved. Adrenaline is one. If this man gave them quite a struggle, as I suspect he had. Even with that amount men attempting to restrain him, could have been an intence struggle. By the time he is wrestled to the ground, he is still struggling and they are doing what they can to hold him down enough to stop straining. If he was being held by the back of the neck by one guy, incorrectly - this could account for an obstruction. At the point he quit struggling and passed out, they probably took a minute or two to catch their breath, calm their nerves, inquire about police, etc - not realizing that he was passed out in the first place, but assuming he had finally resolved. By the time it was realized, then it was more than likely too late.

I mean, if you think that they purposely held him down suffocating him - don't you think some patrons and other workers would have stepped in or at least reported what they witnessed. Not all American's are

“Ain't Running Skeered”

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#98 Apr 3, 2008
blank wrote:
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Well, I can honestly say that if I saw someone being attacked, yes I would do whatever I needed to do to help them. If that means picking up a rock and hitting them in the head so be it. I will never be afraid to help someone because I would pray that if I am being attacked (or one of my children) someone would be HUMAN enough to help me or them.
AMEN!

“Ain't Running Skeered”

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#99 Apr 3, 2008
Bridget wrote:
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I don't believe you know how you would react in a situation like that until it happens.
I had my purse snatched in Akron and tried to chase the thugs down the street but couldn't catch them. When I filed a police report, I was told to NEVER attempt to do that again since I didn't know if they had a gun, knife, etc.
Unfortunately, in the case that we are discussing, no one was HUMAN enough to value a life over $287 in groceries. I now know where you stand on the issue.
Well, now we know, you would dial 911 if someone was being attacked, but boldly hawk down a thug who steals your purse!

ACES to you
blank

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#100 Apr 3, 2008
Fought the Fight B4 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, now we know, you would dial 911 if someone was being attacked, but boldly hawk down a thug who steals your purse!
ACES to you
I can't comprehend anyone standing by and watch someone else get attacked and do nothing. I know I would not do that! That is a fact! And heaven help the fool if the person they were attacking were a child!

Do people not get the fact that this guy broke the law then faught with the manager when he was caught steeling.

How does that saying go, "If you live by the sword you shall die by the sword".

“Ain't Running Skeered”

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#101 Apr 3, 2008
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I can't comprehend anyone standing by and watch someone else get attacked and do nothing. I know I would not do that! That is a fact! And heaven help the fool if the person they were attacking were a child!
Do people not get the fact that this guy broke the law then faught with the manager when he was caught steeling.
How does that saying go, "If you live by the sword you shall die by the sword".
Exactly. People are ignoring the fact that he was a theif. Ignoring the fact that he attacked the manager and proposing the idea that the store clerks brutaly and intentionally murdered the store clerk. This could not be farther from the truth. My guess is, they will never forget that day for the remainder of their lives.
Anne Marie

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#102 Apr 4, 2008
I'll tell you what,...let's put aside the money for the family, the groceries that were taken (to eat, mind you), and reflect on the fact that there is a life here that has been taken away. I am appauled at the amount of people that have no compassion for their fellow man. We are all one, and it is going to be our demise if we don't get that one frickin' straight here sometime soon. All these people that are saying horrible things about Paul....(yah, thats right, he had a name), have not walked one mile in this mans shoes, and have no clue as to what his life entailed. They have no idea what this man was about. We all have problems, some moreso than others, but that is not a reason to say that he deserved to die. Where are your heads at.....forget it, I've just answered my own question. Think about this one for a moment...really......if this was your best friend, your CHILD, your sister, brother, mother, father, etc., you know damn good and well, that you'd be singing a different tune. You may not do exactly what is transpiring now with the courts and all, but thats irrelevant, you know you would not be saying that your loved one was a bogas piece of trash who deserved to die. Never would you mutter those words, or think those thoughts....why you ask,...(apparently this needs to be explained), because you loved them. What makes you think for a minute that Paul did not have friends who had fun with him and laughed with him, and created with him? Furthurmore, who made you the authority on what the exact contents of his personal intimate family relationships were, good or bad? We all have problems, and if yours aren't as severe as someone else's, well then you should consider yourself lucky, and be a light for other people in their lives that aren't as fortunate. Maybe some of you people who have nothing to say but nasty things about others, should examine your own lives and see what it is you could do to make the world a better place......like, oh here's a thought, maybe, donating your time, and some food to a shelter where the people can't afford to eat......ah, bet that one has't crossed your mind.

“Ain't Running Skeered”

Since: May 07

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#103 Apr 4, 2008
Anne Marie wrote:
I'll tell you what,...let's put aside the money for the family, the groceries that were taken (to eat, mind you), and reflect on the fact that there is a life here that has been taken away. I am appauled at the amount of people that have no compassion for their fellow man. We are all one, and it is going to be our demise if we don't get that one frickin' straight here sometime soon. All these people that are saying horrible things about Paul....(yah, thats right, he had a name), have not walked one mile in this mans shoes, and have no clue as to what his life entailed. They have no idea what this man was about. We all have problems, some moreso than others, but that is not a reason to say that he deserved to die. Where are your heads at.....forget it, I've just answered my own question. Think about this one for a moment...really......if this was your best friend, your CHILD, your sister, brother, mother, father, etc., you know damn good and well, that you'd be singing a different tune. You may not do exactly what is transpiring now with the courts and all, but thats irrelevant, you know you would not be saying that your loved one was a bogas piece of trash who deserved to die. Never would you mutter those words, or think those thoughts....why you ask,...(apparently this needs to be explained), because you loved them. What makes you think for a minute that Paul did not have friends who had fun with him and laughed with him, and created with him? Furthurmore, who made you the authority on what the exact contents of his personal intimate family relationships were, good or bad? We all have problems, and if yours aren't as severe as someone else's, well then you should consider yourself lucky, and be a light for other people in their lives that aren't as fortunate. Maybe some of you people who have nothing to say but nasty things about others, should examine your own lives and see what it is you could do to make the world a better place......like, oh here's a thought, maybe, donating your time, and some food to a shelter where the people can't afford to eat......ah, bet that one has't crossed your mind.
AND some people are saying the clerks had no right to restrain a man that attacked another. There was no intent to kill this man. However, he used poor judgement, no matter his plight, by resortting to theft AND violence. There are plenty of pantry soup kitchens in Akron, as well as staffing agencies to provide one with an income. An unfortunate ending to his intent to commit a crime.
D OG

Wadsworth, OH

#104 Apr 4, 2008
Why should we be surprised. The scum bag thiefs family are a bunch of thieving scumbags. There needs to be a law that prevents the family of a person who dies or suffers injury during the commision of a crime from profitting from it. But Anne Marie is right about one thing, I have not walked a mile in Paul the scum bags shoes. That's because I never commited robbery, and thats what this was. When (Paul) assaulted that man while commiting theft, it by law became robbery. So here is the family of this poor sh!t bag robber wanting to punish Pauls victims for being impolite victims and refusing to just let the nice thug take what he wants. Give me a F*&^%$# break.
EX LAKER

Hartville, OH

#105 Apr 6, 2008
I work in store. I would love to get a chance to get a shop lifter and beat the hell out of them. Maybe next time they would think twice before they steal again.If they would die while I was beating them GOOD! Remember what goes around comes around!

“Ain't Running Skeered”

Since: May 07

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#106 Apr 6, 2008
EX LAKER wrote:
I work in store. I would love to get a chance to get a shop lifter and beat the hell out of them. Maybe next time they would think twice before they steal again.If they would die while I was beating them GOOD! Remember what goes around comes around!
I hope you never get the chance to vent that anger on an innocent person. WANTING to kill someone makes you twice as disturbed as any thug I've encountered.
Bridget

Akron, OH

#108 Apr 8, 2008
Fought the Fight B4 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, now we know, you would dial 911 if someone was being attacked, but boldly hawk down a thug who steals your purse!
ACES to you
Because I was told by the police that my actions were "dangerous" and the contents of my purse "isn't worth my life."

Haven't you ever learned a lesson?

“Ain't Running Skeered”

Since: May 07

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#109 Apr 9, 2008
Bridget wrote:
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Because I was told by the police that my actions were "dangerous" and the contents of my purse "isn't worth my life."
Haven't you ever learned a lesson?
You missed the point completely.

If I ever see anyone in trouble, I would dial 911 too - but I would try to help too.

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