Ohio.com - Akron teachers ratify pact

Ohio.com - Akron teachers ratify pact

There are 51 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Aug 15, 2007, titled Ohio.com - Akron teachers ratify pact. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Akron teachers will receive a 3 percent raise in each of the next two years under a contract they overwhelmingly ratified Wednesday night.

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Joe

Canton, OH

#1 Aug 16, 2007
Does this mean that Akron Teachers will do more in the class room to "teach"? Instead of crying about what they don't make?
I had a son walk away from school because he said all the teachers did was talk about what they need to receive in their contract instead of teaching the students. He received a better education in another state..SAD
reaching out

Louisville, OH

#2 Aug 16, 2007
WHY ARE THEY BETTER THAN THE REST OF US.YOU ALLMOST WANT TO HATE THEM
OldManGrump

Canton, OH

#3 Aug 16, 2007
Wow 3% annual raises for doing what Akron Teachers?????

Only meeting 8 of 30 Indicators

An 83.7 Performance Index Score

Not Meeting the Adequate Yearly Progress

Achieving an overall Continuous Improvement rating

It's a sad day when this type of performance is rewarded. I would hope the voters in Akron tell the school board, administration, and teachers this is unacceptable performance, and not pass any new school levies until they do a good job, and meet the state standards.
Former Resident

Glen Burnie, MD

#4 Aug 16, 2007
"Wow 3% annual raises for doing what Akron Teachers?????"

To put this in perspective, every single social security recipient received 3.3% for their annual increase in 2007.

Akron teachers received less than every single retiree on social security.

In addition, Akron teachers will have to pay more for health care [as opposed to all of the retirees who just received a multi-billion dollar increase to overall federal spending on health care].
Logic Wins

Avon Lake, OH

#5 Aug 16, 2007
The constant complaining about how much teachers make borders on envy. A group of college educated folks that decided to teach - rather than go out and make "real" money - and they are constantly insulted for their wish to make a decent "college educated" wage.

And yet, they show respect and caring for your kids, trying to teach them respect and caring in the process.
A concerned neighbor

Akron, OH

#6 Aug 16, 2007
"Teachers' health care coverage will remain the same this year. They don't pay any of their premiums, have $10 office co-pays, have deductibles of $100 for singles and $200 for families, and pay $5 for generic prescriptions and $10 for name brands." -- For all those who keep arguing on the blogs that the teachers pay a lot for their health care and we should pass every levy that comes out--when's the last time you didn't have to pay a premium and prescriptions at this copay?? I work at one of the largest employers in the city and we had to give up benefits that good years ago (thousands of dollars ago!). My property taxes went up so they could have these benefits--sure some of it goes to the students but the salary and benefits of the teachers makes up about 85% of their budget. I'd like to hear how these concessions actually compare to their current plan...and to what other citizens pay. They should make these concessions with no complaints.
Former Resident

Glen Burnie, MD

#7 Aug 16, 2007
"They should make these concessions with no complaints."

They've agreed to an increase below the level of every social security retiree and they have agreed to further cost savings of $1.5M in health care costs.

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Akron is not paying significantly more for professionals than the surrounding communities. If you want to cut salaries, you should expect to get lower quality employees. That is how capitalism works.
HMMMM

Dayton, OH

#8 Aug 16, 2007
Congrats to the Akron teachers on their raise. I think they are doing their best. Blame the parents for low test scores, the kids are arriving at school with no social skills. It is not the teacher's fault.

Teachers in Akron these days spend half their time being de facto prison guards. I would not want their jobs.
HMMMM

Dayton, OH

#9 Aug 16, 2007
reaching out wrote:
WHY ARE THEY BETTER THAN THE REST OF US.YOU ALLMOST WANT TO HATE THEM
How much do you think a person with a Master's degree should make in a year? Most teachers have them or are working on them.
APS parent

Marengo, OH

#10 Aug 16, 2007
In response to comments bordering on "now will they actually do anything rather than sit around twiddling their thumbs", I challenge any of you to spend a day teaching in their classrooms. I challenge you to prepare the kids for the tests that the legislators have mandated. I challenge you to prepare lessons that will meet all the various requirements of the state standards AND keep the kids interested. I challenge you to teach in a classroom where there are children who would rather disrupt the class, be the class clown, or "dis" the teacher to get out of doing what they're supposed to.
For those of you who have never spent time in the classroom (and I suspect that those of you complaining that teachers have a cushy job fit this description), teachers deserve our gratitude and admiration, not criticism. They not only teach the reading, writing, math, social studies, and science, but they also act as surrogate parents, counselors, social workers, and triage medical personnel for our kids. They spend countless hours of their own time preparing lessons, agonizing over how to adjust their teaching to reach all kids, and doing extras for their class. They also spend hundreds of dollars of their own money on supplies for their classrooms and kids, supplies for projects for the kids, and rewards/gifts for the kids. One of my children's teachers routinely pays for zoo admission for the kids in her class to have a reunion during the summer. Think your taxes pay for any presents (such as Christmas/Winter goodies) that the kids bring home from their teacher ? Think again.
Teachers are also required to have continuing education to keep their licenses. They pay for these classes and workshops out of their own pockets AND do it during evenings, summers, weekends of their own time.
Still don't think they deserve what they're paid ? Walk in their shoes for a week -- see if you last a day.(no, I'm not a teacher)
Cindy

Cleveland, OH

#11 Aug 16, 2007
A teacher's job is hard work. I am glad they
are receiving a pay raise.
wow

Akron, OH

#12 Aug 16, 2007
3% IS NOT MUCH OF A RAISE ANYWAYS. I GET BETWEEN 2-3% A YEAR INCREASE, BUT HIGHER COSTS AND TAXES WAY MORE THAN EAT THAT UP ANYWAY. I WORK TWO JOBS AND MY WIFE WORKS ONE JUST TO KEEP THE BILLS PAID, KIDS EDUCATED AND HAVE SOME POCKET MONEY. WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS THE COMPLETE CLOUSURE OF CHARTER SCHOOLS AND GET THAT TAX MONEY BACK INTO THE SYSTEM WHERE IT BELONGS ANYWAY. I DON'T ENVY TEACHERS ONE BIT.
reaching out

Louisville, OH

#13 Aug 16, 2007
APS parent wrote:
In response to comments bordering on "now will they actually do anything rather than sit around twiddling their thumbs", I challenge any of you to spend a day teaching in their classrooms. I challenge you to prepare the kids for the tests that the legislators have mandated. I challenge you to prepare lessons that will meet all the various requirements of the state standards AND keep the kids interested. I challenge you to teach in a classroom where there are children who would rather disrupt the class, be the class clown, or "dis" the teacher to get out of doing what they're supposed to.
For those of you who have never spent time in the classroom (and I suspect that those of you complaining that teachers have a cushy job fit this description), teachers deserve our gratitude and admiration, not criticism. They not only teach the reading, writing, math, social studies, and science, but they also act as surrogate parents, counselors, social workers, and triage medical personnel for our kids. They spend countless hours of their own time preparing lessons, agonizing over how to adjust their teaching to reach all kids, and doing extras for their class. They also spend hundreds of dollars of their own money on supplies for their classrooms and kids, supplies for projects for the kids, and rewards/gifts for the kids. One of my children's teachers routinely pays for zoo admission for the kids in her class to have a reunion during the summer. Think your taxes pay for any presents (such as Christmas/Winter goodies) that the kids bring home from their teacher ? Think again.
Teachers are also required to have continuing education to keep their licenses. They pay for these classes and workshops out of their own pockets AND do it during evenings, summers, weekends of their own time.
Still don't think they deserve what they're paid ? Walk in their shoes for a week -- see if you last a day.(no, I'm not a teacher)
but we cant get help when we get sick and they can. its about health care not the money
Logic Wins

Avon Lake, OH

#14 Aug 16, 2007
reaching out wrote:
<quoted text>but we cant get help when we get sick and they can. its about health care not the money
Good point, but I have to ask a question... WHY can't you get help? And WHY should we take health care coverage away from those lucky enough to have it instead of trying to find ways to get it for people like you?

It's like taking a Robin Hood position, "take from the rich and give to the poor", except in this case we'd be taking from what's left of the middle class.
Reese

United States

#15 Aug 16, 2007
Sounds fair.
Marshall

United States

#16 Aug 16, 2007
Can someone explain how this AYP is arrived at? I don't understand. All of Norton's separate schools met AYP, but they were listed as not having met it. How can the high school, the middle school and the elementary school all make AYP, but as a whole they don't? Doesn't make sense.
OldManGrump wrote:
Wow 3% annual raises for doing what Akron Teachers?????
Only meeting 8 of 30 Indicators
An 83.7 Performance Index Score
Not Meeting the Adequate Yearly Progress
Achieving an overall Continuous Improvement rating
It's a sad day when this type of performance is rewarded. I would hope the voters in Akron tell the school board, administration, and teachers this is unacceptable performance, and not pass any new school levies until they do a good job, and meet the state standards.
OldManGrump

Canton, OH

#17 Aug 16, 2007
Cindy wrote:
A teacher's job is hard work. I am glad they
are receiving a pay raise.
I'm sure the typical working Akronite would like to work 180 days per year from 7:30am - 3pm for $65,000 after 27 years of sevrice with 80 days of paid vacation, 1 day per month for sick day, pay low health insurance co-pays, and collect a pension when retired as early as age 50. Now they get another $2000 per year increase per year.

Yea - they work hard and deserve a raise - NOT !!!
Grades on a curve

Tulsa, OK

#18 Aug 16, 2007
Reporter must be a product of Akron Public School System. 3% of what? How much will the raise cost? Give up 1.5 million dollars out of a budget of how much? What are the other bargaining units affected by health compromise saying?

And, it was not reported on how this wil improve things "for the children".
OldManGrump

Canton, OH

#19 Aug 16, 2007
Marshall wrote:
Can someone explain how this AYP is arrived at? I don't understand. All of Norton's separate schools met AYP, but they were listed as not having met it. How can the high school, the middle school and the elementary school all make AYP, but as a whole they don't? Doesn't make sense.
<quoted text>
Check out the definitions and calculations on the State of Ohio website:

http://www.ode.state.oh.us
Karen

United States

#20 Aug 16, 2007
I think teachers earn every penny they make. In fact, they should get combat pay. With the totally undisciplined kids they have to deal with these days, not to mention the criminal kids, they deserve more respect than they get from you people. I have a ton of respect for my kid's teacher.

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