Ravenna man killed in crash

Full story: Akron Beacon Journal

The Ravenna post of the State Highway Patrol said Gary Cline of Newton Falls Road was driving his motorcycle west on the Route 5 bypass while another driver was northbound in a Chevy Blazer.
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Oh believe me. Something will and is going to be done. There was to many witness to this senseless MURDER!
Too Funny! A Murder (all in caps OHHHH), I think that what happened was an ACCIDENT (note that I used all caps too). Why can't people except the fact that things happen, accidents happen, wrong place, wrong time. We're all sorry it had to happen, but unfortunately it did.
My sympathies to both families involved.
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NEOH Beemer Rider wrote:
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Absolutely true. Too often, in the MCing community, it becomes an 'us versus them' mentality when it comes to tragedies like this. The car driver=bad, the MCist=can do no wrong. I think that's terribly counterproductive. Fact is, there ARE things we riders can do to improve our chances of survival and minimizing risks. Hi-vis clothing, being aware of the most likely scenarios that makes another vehicle the highest threat to our safety, making sure our bikes are in proper working order, and that our skills controlling it are up to snuff. I happen to think good riding apparel (armored jacket, gloves, pants, helmet, boots) is part of that equation too, but I respect the fact that in the state of Ohio, riders have the choice to wear or not wear.
Conversely, I think it's also counterproductive for car drivers to view all MCists with disdain and assume we all have some sort of death wish or are reckless. Nothing could be further from the truth in most cases. We all have jobs, families to go home to, and are just enjoying an alternative mode of transportation. Many, probably most, of us are actually very safe riders and have actively participated in training classes, and/or have practiced riding drills to try to minimize our risks out on the open road.
Safety gear is a fact of life...steel toed boots, safety glasses, condoms, and MC helmets. Whenever I rode with friends, I wore a helmet. I do not understand the desire to become a vegetable, but it is their right. I do not care how macho you are, the road is harder than your cranium. Guaranteed.

It also is hard to judge distance from only one headlight, especially at or after dusk. Usually drivers use the two headlights from cars to triangulate the distance and speed of on coming vehicles. This makes it hard to judge the distance of a MC.

Accidents are rarely due to a single factor. There are a lot of things and decisions that contribute. We all have to understand our contribution to better avoid accidents. There is little margin of error when you are on a MC.
will miss him

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Jul 21, 2008
 
I worked at the same office as Gary and saw him frequently. I just want to say that he was one the nicest, most hard working people I've meet. He was a friend to everyone here and a wonderful family man. We will miss him very much.
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herebyme" "She stopped in the middle of the intersection, waited for about three or four cars to go by, and then began to pull out. Unfortunately Gary had been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and she did not spot him. He had not been speeding and she had been moving maybe 5mph at the time of the collision."
Bulul crap- ask the girl who this happened in front of. and the Man whos rear view mirror it happened in- Sir/Ma'am- if you woulda seen the damage done to his bike and her car- you'd know she was going way more than 5 mph. if she was going 5 mph I would have hit her and so would have the semi behind me.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
My condolences to the family of such a kind, hard-working man. He never failed to have a smile on his face, and he will be missed. As usual, I sought him out at the end of Spring semester to say "See you in the Fall," and it breaks my heart that I will not run into him in the halls again. I have no words to help the pain of his family, only prayers that all will be better with time. To his children--you are the apples of his eye, and those eyes lit up with a special joy whenever he spoke of you. Your father loves you very much and always will. God Bless you all.
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It is amazing! Another accident, and no charges are filled because it involved a motorcycle!

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It is amazing! Another accident, and no charges are filled because it involved a motorcycle!
Not necessarily - at least not yet.

Don't get caught up in the 'us versus them' mentality. Fact is, we choose to ride machines with absolutely zero protection against impact. Regardless of fault, the rider ALWAYS loses. So....we have to take responsibility for our own ride. ASSUME the car slowing and coming from the other direction is about to turn left in front of us. ASSUME the car to the right, or left, is about to bolt out in front of us. ASSUME the car in the lane next to us on the freeway is about to dart into our lane.

It's easy to get all high and mighty about 'the other guy'. But the 'other guy' has at least a 2000 lbs. advantage of sheet metal around him - and dead is dead, no matter who is at fault.

“Stupidity should be painful”

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Jul 28, 2008
 
NEOH Beemer Rider wrote:
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Not necessarily - at least not yet.
Don't get caught up in the 'us versus them' mentality. Fact is, we choose to ride machines with absolutely zero protection against impact. Regardless of fault, the rider ALWAYS loses. So....we have to take responsibility for our own ride. ASSUME the car slowing and coming from the other direction is about to turn left in front of us. ASSUME the car to the right, or left, is about to bolt out in front of us. ASSUME the car in the lane next to us on the freeway is about to dart into our lane.
It's easy to get all high and mighty about 'the other guy'. But the 'other guy' has at least a 2000 lbs. advantage of sheet metal around him - and dead is dead, no matter who is at fault.
Great post!! I try to give you guys extra room and attention, like eye contact so you know I see you, when I'm in sight. California motorcycle laws are crazy and I'm surprised that we don't hear of more deaths out here....stay safe...sjt
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Not necessarily - at least not yet.
Don't get caught up in the 'us versus them' mentality. Fact is, we choose to ride machines with absolutely zero protection against impact. Regardless of fault, the rider ALWAYS loses. So....we have to take responsibility for our own ride. ASSUME the car slowing and coming from the other direction is about to turn left in front of us. ASSUME the car to the right, or left, is about to bolt out in front of us. ASSUME the car in the lane next to us on the freeway is about to dart into our lane.
It's easy to get all high and mighty about 'the other guy'. But the 'other guy' has at least a 2000 lbs. advantage of sheet metal around him - and dead is dead, no matter who is at fault.
I totally agree! I do the same thing, I make sure that I do everything in my power to be seen! Reflective and bright hemets & jackets as well as protective gear. I do take responsibility for myself and riding.

My question is, If I have done everything in my power to give the driver every opportunity to see me including slowing down, and I still get hit and killed, how can that be dismissed by the police and courts? Is it because the stereotype that people on bikes drink, speed , and break the law? This man was a well respected member of his community, a father, and as witnesses have state, the vehicle was at fault! I just do not understand how people can turn the other cheek! Same thing goes for the 6 that were hit, and that poor woman lost her leg. That coward tried to run from the scene instead of running toward the 6 people he just ran down. When is justice going to come to those famlies? When are these drivers going to take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the biker?

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Jul 29, 2008
 
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My question is, If I have done everything in my power to give the driver every opportunity to see me including slowing down, and I still get hit and killed, how can that be dismissed by the police and courts?
I'm not sure that this one has been dismissed yet. IIRC, the article stated that no charges have been filed (yet). The LEOs probably have to do an investigation to figure out what happened, and what charges, if any, to bring to the proper parties. Have faith. Have patience. It's about all we can do.
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Aug 3, 2008
 
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herebyme" "She stopped in the middle of the intersection, waited for about three or four cars to go by, and then began to pull out. Unfortunately Gary had been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and she did not spot him. He had not been speeding and she had been moving maybe 5mph at the time of the collision."
Bulul crap- ask the girl who this happened in front of. and the Man whos rear view mirror it happened in- Sir/Ma'am- if you woulda seen the damage done to his bike and her car- you'd know she was going way more than 5 mph. if she was going 5 mph I would have hit her and so would have the semi behind me.
Please contact the State Highway Patrol and let them know you are a witness!!
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Aug 19, 2008
 
oh my wrote:
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Too Funny! A Murder (all in caps OHHHH), I think that what happened was an ACCIDENT (note that I used all caps too). Why can't people except the fact that things happen, accidents happen, wrong place, wrong time. We're all sorry it had to happen, but unfortunately it did.
My sympathies to both families involved.
Check out the names Catherine Paulus; Catherine Kassimer; and Wayne Paulus on the Portage County Courts website-judge for yourself.

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