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Ohio.com - Studies predict shortage of physicians nationwide

There are 25 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Nov 24, 2007, titled Ohio.com - Studies predict shortage of physicians nationwide. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Notice a few more gray hairs these days when you visit your doctor? Not on you - on the doctor.

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Rationing

Strongsville, OH

#1 Nov 24, 2007
No care for Grump. he is too far gone.
Frank Lazzerini MD

Cleveland, OH

#2 Nov 25, 2007
This is no surprise. When one looks at the attendings at the hospital one sees wise but aged folks. It is up to us, the residents, especially those in primary care who will be caring for this nation in the future.
My generation is technologically savvy and armed with fresh knowledge that we continually update. We will work hard and provide great care to our patients while staying rested and connected to our loved ones and families which are precious and energizing to us. Long live general practice and primary care!

Since: Mar 07

Tulsa, OK

#3 Nov 25, 2007
The article forgot to mention the growin' cost of medical malpractice insurance and legal fees, that are a deterent to prospective new doctors.
OMG

Canton, OH

#4 Nov 25, 2007
The only reason for the shortage is the AMA limits how many new doctors can get into medical school. They don't want their $400,000 a year salaries impacted by too many doctors so they control how many new doctors graduate from medical school. Open more spots in the medical schools and the doctors will come out of the woodwork.
MJL

Lorain, OH

#5 Nov 25, 2007
OMG wrote:
The only reason for the shortage is the AMA limits how many new doctors can get into medical school. They don't want their $400,000 a year salaries impacted by too many doctors so they control how many new doctors graduate from medical school. Open more spots in the medical schools and the doctors will come out of the woodwork.
If you think it's about protecting doctors' income, you've never lived with one all the way thru college, med school, residency and practice. There are far more comfortable ways to earn $100,000+, in which a person could actually have a family life. You don't know a thing about this.
OMG

Canton, OH

#6 Nov 25, 2007
MJL wrote:
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If you think it's about protecting doctors' income, you've never lived with one all the way thru college, med school, residency and practice. There are far more comfortable ways to earn $100,000+, in which a person could actually have a family life. You don't know a thing about this.
$100000 yes,$400000 no. Where else can you make $400000 a year? I have many MDs in my family and even considered being one myself coming out of HS, but I chose a different path. The starting pay for a MD is $120,000 plus bonus right out of med school. It's all about the money dummy.
Sell your computer

Strongsville, OH

#7 Nov 25, 2007
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>$100000 yes,$400000 no. Where else can you make $400000 a year? I have many MDs in my family and even considered being one myself coming out of HS, but I chose a different path. The starting pay for a MD is $120,000 plus bonus right out of med school. It's all about the money dummy.
See Comment 1--above. He has not been diagonsed as mantic --depressive yet.
jinxer

Canton, OH

#8 Nov 25, 2007
Its easy to be jealous when one sees how much those guys make.

Ive always found it ridiculuous how much a pharmacist makes for just being a convenience store clerk basically. 100k/yr starting out to fill an order, the same thing an old-school full-service gasoline station attendant would do. Yes, about 10 years ago they changed the schooling to require more years (pharm-D). But do they need all the extra schooling to do their job effectively? No, they want to boost their payscales.

MD's (or DO's) are a different story.
My friend coming out of med school had 250k in med school debts (his undergrad was paid for since his dad was a prof at the state school where he went).

He had to do 70 hours a week for 2 years as an intern/resident. I remember he told me had made the equiv. of 30k/yr doing that.

Now, he's a traveling physician making an estimated (I never ask) 300k a year. His goal is to get down his med school debts.

Whats malpractice insurance run? 60k/yr?

I would guess most physicians make 200-250k a year and have to deduct a good 60k/yr off for malpractice insurance.

I can say one thing, these guys deserve the money they are making more so than say, well-paid slip-and-fall case, medical malpractice lawyers.
MJL

Lorain, OH

#9 Nov 25, 2007
jinxer wrote:
Its easy to be jealous when one sees how much those guys make.
Ive always found it ridiculuous how much a pharmacist makes for just being a convenience store clerk basically. 100k/yr starting out to fill an order, the same thing an old-school full-service gasoline station attendant would do. Yes, about 10 years ago they changed the schooling to require more years (pharm-D). But do they need all the extra schooling to do their job effectively? No, they want to boost their payscales.
MD's (or DO's) are a different story.
My friend coming out of med school had 250k in med school debts (his undergrad was paid for since his dad was a prof at the state school where he went).
He had to do 70 hours a week for 2 years as an intern/resident. I remember he told me had made the equiv. of 30k/yr doing that.
Now, he's a traveling physician making an estimated (I never ask) 300k a year. His goal is to get down his med school debts.
Whats malpractice insurance run? 60k/yr?
I would guess most physicians make 200-250k a year and have to deduct a good 60k/yr off for malpractice insurance.
I can say one thing, these guys deserve the money they are making more so than say, well-paid slip-and-fall case, medical malpractice lawyers.
You're on the right track .. many people don't realize how many physicians are employees and don't have their own business with tax deductions .. and so, don't forget to deduct $95,000 in federal taxes as a starter, and then there's state and city income tax, and property tax ... and then there's the entire health-insurance premium for the family, at a cost of about $700/month with a deductible of $5,000 ... and then there's disability insurance to buy at high cost because you're at high risk for contracting dreaded diseases ...
Ashleym

Cleveland, OH

#10 Nov 25, 2007
Can you imagine the responsibility one may carry when taking care of people. Let me ask "OMG" this? If you make a mistake at work does it yield a possible emergency/death? These doctors are dealing with a very unhealthy population that almost never needs just 1 prescription drug. They have a very demanding job, they deserve every penny. A job field with a heavy science background and human physiology is not an easy task!!! Before anyone that sits in a desk and deals with numbers and inadimate objects complains about a physicians salary- they need to ask themselves a few things...Would you aquire an enormous debt for a career? Would you trust yourself with your best-friends mothers' life?

If any career is making too much money for their knowledge and ability is the Pro athelets!!! ridiculous.

The shortage will be dealt with. The upcoming docs can handle it - I have faith!
OH Pleaze

Strongsville, OH

#11 Nov 25, 2007
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>$100000 yes,$400000 no. Where else can you make $400000 a year? I have many MDs in my family and even considered being one myself coming out of HS, but I chose a different path. The starting pay for a MD is $120,000 plus bonus right out of med school. It's all about the money dummy.
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Pray Tell Grump..how much did you make each year?
Getting the A$$hole Grump to sell his computer...priceless

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Muckracker

Niles, OH

#12 Nov 25, 2007
They need to offer more flexible options for medical schools. Students should be able to work their day jobs and go to school nights and weekends for a while. There are a whole group of people with bachelor's degrees in science that would be interested in pursuing this.
Muckracker

Niles, OH

#13 Nov 25, 2007
Betamax wrote:
The article forgot to mention the growin' cost of medical malpractice insurance and legal fees, that are a deterent to prospective new doctors.
Wow we agree again. My parents are both doctors and medical malpractice took a lot of money away despite neither of my parents being sued in a combined 85 years of practice. I think medical malpractice should be handled like workman's comp. We protect businesses why not health care providers? We do that watch healthcare costs go down.
Muckracker

Niles, OH

#14 Nov 25, 2007
OH Pleaze wrote:
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Pray Tell Grump..how much did you make each year?
Getting the A$$hole Grump to sell his computer...priceless
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Add mayor of Akron to that list lol
Dunno

Waynesburg, OH

#15 Nov 25, 2007
Betamax wrote:
The article forgot to mention the growin' cost of medical malpractice insurance and legal fees, that are a deterent to prospective new doctors.
No shortage of lawyers, is there?
Seasoned

Lorain, OH

#16 Nov 25, 2007
Frank Lazzerini MD wrote:
This is no surprise. When one looks at the attendings at the hospital one sees wise but aged folks. It is up to us, the residents, especially those in primary care who will be caring for this nation in the future.
My generation is technologically savvy and armed with fresh knowledge that we continually update. We will work hard and provide great care to our patients while staying rested and connected to our loved ones and families which are precious and energizing to us. Long live general practice and primary care!
Yes, there will be plenty of general practice when the Clinton-Obama ticket wins and:

- all physicians including you are paid the same salary of $45,000 per year;

- your federal income tax increases to 80% to pay for all the "free" care to freeloaders and illegal aliens;

- and you can play God some more by telling patients they "don't need" to see a specialist because YOU know all there is to know ..

... while the truth is, it's that the government won't allow them to see a specialist because specialty care is too costly, and collectively, too much of it will exhaust the annual budget way too early in the year).

Egos like yours are eventually brought to their knees in medicine, by God and/or personal life and personal health crumbling apart at the foundations--built on quick-sand.

You'd do well to inquire of those "wise but aged" docs, with respect and humility, not arrogance and condescension that says they're just old duffers too dumb to "figure it all out" like you have.
OMG

Canton, OH

#17 Nov 25, 2007
OH Pleaze wrote:
<quoted text>
NFL Football players
NBA Basketball Players
MLS Soccer Players
MLB Baseball players
NHL Hockey players
PGA Golfers
NFL Coaches
NBA Coaches
MLS Soccer Coaches
MLB Baseball Coaches
NHL Hockey Coaches
College Football Coaches
College Basketball Coaches
College Presidents
College Adminstrators
CEO's
COO's
CEO's
Union Leaders
Investors
Hedge Fund Managers
Stock brokers
Real Estate Managers
Real Estate Brokers
Actors
Actresses
Movie Directors
Sports Agents
Talent Agents
Laywers of All Types
Politicans of All types
Preachers of All types
Pray Tell Grump..how much did you make each year?
Getting the A$$hole Grump to sell his computer...priceless
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OMG

Canton, OH

#18 Nov 25, 2007
Muckracker wrote:
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Add mayor of Akron to that list lol
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D Dolla

Fairfield, OH

#19 Nov 25, 2007
How about the police. They make life and death decisions every day, work horrible schedules, get hurt and killed at work, and second guessed all the time. Oh yeah, and they make peanuts.
OH Pleazzze

Strongsville, OH

#20 Nov 25, 2007
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>de omni re scibili et quibusdam aliis
Tell us how much you make every year (or how much u used to make for have a $1 MM IRA?---Those Latin phases apply to U, Grum-pee. Spare us your pompousness. Just tell the truth, grum-pee. How much do you make??---We r waiting.

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