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Ohio.com - Nonunion workers protest Akron school district plan

There are 107 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Aug 13, 2007, titled Ohio.com - Nonunion workers protest Akron school district plan. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

As school and city leaders calmly discussed a labor agreement on the Akron district's construction project Monday, the shouts of opposition could be heard from the street outside.

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Stow, OH

#108 Aug 17, 2007
Paul D Brown wrote:
Do you even read the things you reply to? What the hell is this?

Since: Mar 07

Tulsa, OK

#109 Aug 19, 2007
bad horse wrote:
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I have never heard of so many people who would refuse a RAISE in pay. It's kinda like refusing a holiday bonus. I have seen both sides of the fence. To this day, I have yet to see a NON-UNION contractor finish a project on time, without hundreds of over-time hours. Nine out of ten times,the reason,for extra hours, is to correct major mistakes (DUE TO LACK OF TRAINING OR NONE AT ALL) NON-UNION shops are a non-stop cut throat, and back stabing work place. If this is the quality of life you enjoy----well, I rest my case. Get a clue people.
In many cases, the misnomer: "raise in pay" equates to the difference in wages that end up bein' the union dues. In the buildin' industry, as is the case here, the wages are competative, and the non-union folks also enjoy benefits. Many of todays non-union workers, in the buildin' trade, are former union workers who either couldn't get work through their union, or tired of the politics of it. Certainly, both the union and non-union trades have substandard workers who produce substandard work.

Iff'n y'all feel that y'all can't get quality products unless it comes from union work, then more power to y'all.

As the sayin' goes: A fool and his money..........
Ted Brogan

Water View, VA

#110 Aug 21, 2007
Dave P wrote:
Every single one of these protesters is a fool. The idea of prevailing wage is to level the playing field; so that if non-union companies want to bid on work, they have to pay their workers for it. This ensures that they can't undercut union companies based on wage alone. This is also a benefit to the non-union worker, because they will be paid more. If they can't win a bid based on their ability to get the job done quickly and efficiently, then that's their problem. I suppose this protest is for lower wages and benefits, and for the companies that pay their workers less to monopolize the construction. This proposal simply levels the playing field. A large group of non-union workers getting together and protesting? I guess we have a union of non-unions. LOWER WAGES!!!LESS BENEFITS!!!NO RETIREMENT!!!
How dense are you? The workers are protesting the fact that a PLA will shut them out of work because they do not belong to a union. This has little to do with wages and more about opportunity. Unions want a monopoly on the construction workforce. Unions benefit, taxpayers and non-union workers and their employers lose. Why is this difficult to grasp?
Ted Brogan

Water View, VA

#111 Aug 21, 2007
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text> The problem with that bridge was the obsolite design, not the labor that went into it. You can hire the best crew in the world but if the design is poor, the product will be.
Exactly, so how is it that giving union labor a monopoly on a construction project via a PLA guarantees a quality product? Do unions have a monopoly on quality? Isn't it likely that a non-union shop can do equally great work?

BTW, the Big Dig was a PLA job, and it is about $15 billion over budget, suffered project delays and a motorist fataility after a tunnel ceiling panel collapsed and crushed her car. The Worcester Telegram just reported that the Leonard P. Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge, the iconic symbol of Bostonís Big Dig, is suspended by huge cables and these cables are now warping and are cause for concern.
Both union and non-union workers and contractors were employed on this job. It was too big of a job to exclude one class of workers, and some non-union contractors agreed to the burdensome terms and conditions of the Big Dig PLA, for whatever reason.

My point is that in this case, a PLA and worker craftsmanship did not prevent cost overruns and accidents. That is why a PLA is a solution in search of a problem.
Ted Brogan

Water View, VA

#112 Aug 21, 2007
Chris Ricker wrote:
<quoted text>there is so much misinformation on these postings I just cant stand any more. The reason for this "PLA" is simple,keep Akron tax dollars in the City of Akron. Many many times out of town contractors wont regester with tax depts avoiding city tax. this agreement will avoid that...
If the above statement is true (which I contend it is not) and the only motivation for a PLA is to keep money local (which is a flawed objective to begin with) why can't the city of Akron require that only local contractors and a local workforce (or a high local percentage) can bid and work on these projects? Obviously this would eliminate bidders from outside the county, state or whatever your arbitrary geographic barrier du jour is, and it has th epotential to increase overall costs due to a lack of competition. Taxpayers might be concerned, but lets say they would rather overpay for a project as long as that money stays local. Couldn't Akron achieve the local objective without a PLA? Couldn't that goal be reached without discriminating against a local workforce (non-union) that has just as much of a right to bid and work on a public construction project as a local union worker? Afterall, you said that a PLA is basically a contract that both sides agree to. So couldn't a different contract specify your "local concerns" and leave out all of the other contractual language that benefits the unions and harms non-union workers?
I'd like to see the unions agree to that or a "Fair PLA" - where all of the worker protection language is left in, but all of the objectionable language I mentioned in an earlier post is omitted. The unions will never let that happen, because they need a PLA to eliminate competition and therefore secure work for their members and pay into their insolvent union pension plans (of which of course, under a PLA, non-union workers will have to pay into, but will never receive any benefits from it unless they join a union.)
Another question for you, how much is a "city tax" for contractors or subcontractors and has there been a cost benefit analysis to see if the loss of "city tax" is more than the increased cost of schools as a result of keeping things local or keeping things under a PLA?
Grades on a curve

Barberton, OH

#113 Aug 21, 2007
bad horse wrote:
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I have never heard of so many people who would refuse a RAISE in pay. It's kinda like refusing a holiday bonus. I have seen both sides of the fence. To this day, I have yet to see a NON-UNION contractor finish a project on time, without hundreds of over-time hours. Nine out of ten times,the reason,for extra hours, is to correct major mistakes (DUE TO LACK OF TRAINING OR NONE AT ALL) NON-UNION shops are a non-stop cut throat, and back stabing work place. If this is the quality of life you enjoy----well, I rest my case. Get a clue people.
What kind of non-union work did you do?

What union are you in?

What training did the union require of you to be in it?

Mason

Hillsboro, OH

#114 Apr 16, 2012
The Voice of Reason wrote:
They don't lowball the local contractor, they support them in elections. That's how these local dumbasses keep their jobs every 4 years. This is the worst form of election corruption of all time and it's been going on forever. That's why Summit county is the way it is. Until the majority rise up and force these idiots to hire the local contractor who has hard working people instead of the lazy Union worker who takes twice ads long to complete the project you are paying higher cost for construction and electrical work. The day of the Union is dying and when it dies in Ohio companies will start coming back here. Until then your gonna have a recession. Look at the pattern of the last 20 years and deny this statement. The AFL-CIO is holding everyone in this area back.
What you need to understand is we need men like yourself to stand up and join in as a proud educated working union craftsman.We are barely holding on to our prevailing wage rights.Union men and women are not lazy,we are here to represent a fair wage and health an welfare pension plan.Who will set our wages if we don't stand together.The davis bacon act was set up so we can get these great benefits.We as worker's are fighting to keep everyone good wages.I a capitalist system we have to unite and pay our union dues and vote for labor friendly politicians.If you want to go to a right to work state and make 13 or 14 dollars a hour with limited benefits and no representation (NON UNION) that is a bad choice.We have to have educated lawyers fight corporations that have lawyers with anti labor ideologies.United we stand divided we fall.To many men and women have been beeteb pushed and even killed for the betterment of wages and working conditions.We as workers are the union we just need to vote and work together,our families deserve that,and so do we. We will will build our country's infrastructure back and our economy blast back again!!!!! WE are the AFL-CIO brother. GOD BLESS THE USA !!!!! MASON Cincinnati, Ohio

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